Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Montreal Canadiens |Game 5| 5/27/14

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The first game of the series convinced us that the Rangers are much better than Montreal.

They're not.

Two evenly matched teams.

Rangers are in a good spot.

A lot of you can never accept a loss at any time. If the Rangers win a game in overtime, the posts are filled with how great they are. A loss in overtime generates endless posts saying they are all pure ****. That's nuts.

So many people forget there is another team on the ice that helps determine the outcome. It's not as simple as Rangers play well, they win. Play bad and they lose.

Spot on Chosen.

The Rangers are fine. They need to ignore the BS the Habs are putting out. Instead they getting pulled in. The hit by Moore though satisfying was a sign of the discipline the team as a whole needs to recapture. I don't know that I've seen a team that puts out as much BS as this Hab, but the Rangers can not allow themselves to be mind ****ed.

We've had one terrible game in each series. Last night was terrible, but they've proven they can adjust and move forward.

Very confident going into tomorrows game. Hank is pissed along with the rest of the team with that performance. They will play better tomorrow.
 
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I Believe.
I Believe That.
I Believe That We.
I Believe That We Will.
I Believe That We Will Win.
 
Disagree completely. One game doesn't make the Rangers the better team, and one game doesn't make things even. The Rangers ARE the better team and have been all season. I don't care about records and the scoreboard. The Rangers are deeper, have more experience. and are a far better possession team.

Did you see the stat last night where until last game, Montreal only lead in this series for just over 2 minutes? TWO MINUTES in 4 games they had the lead. Says a lot about who has been driving the play/pace of these games and that the Rangers were always able to find ways to answer back or hold their leads.

The other team is always a factor yes, but in order for the better team to lose the other team needs to either get all the luck/bounces, or the better team has to play bad enough for the lesser team to take advantage. Game 3 was the former, last night was the latter. It happens, but Montreal is not even with the Rangers.

I believe that you're as good as your record and by no definition was NY better than Montreal in the regular season. Montreal also knocked off the Bruins, the team universally considered the best of the East.

I think the Rangers have the edge in net, and on D; but their forwards are definitely the equal of NY.

You are entitled to believe the Rangers are superior, but if they lose the series they are not.
 
Rangers played poorly as a whole for the most part which isn't something that happens a lot. If the defense picked up Lundqvist or if Lundqvist picked up the defense, or the offense did more than just score in a short burst at one point during the game (as in, get better offensive pressure throughout the game instead of waiting until they're down 3 before responding), then maybe things turn out differently

4 point night by Kreider though damn
 
Yeah I think Hank is pissed about the goals he gave up and having to be pulled and even more pissed to have to sit by himself on a stool to watch the rest of the game. He's gonna come back with a vengeance tomorrow an play like he did earlier in this series and at the end of the Penguins series.
 
Thursday night is the biggest Rangers game in years. They better be ready to play. We need to be firing on all cylinders and we need Hank to be Hank.

Dropping 2 in a row, including one at home, and then going to Montreal on Saturday night with all the momentum in their favor isn't a situation we want to be in. Avoid at all costs.

Just win baby.
 
Thursday night is the biggest Rangers game in years. They better be ready to play. We need to be firing on all cylinders and we need Hank to be Hank.

Dropping 2 in a row, including one at home, and then going to Montreal on Saturday night with all the momentum in their favor isn't a situation we want to be in. Avoid at all costs.

Just win baby.

Tomorrow night will be the biggest game of Henrik Lundqvist's career. Let's hope he and the team in front of him come to play and end this the way it should be…

On home ice...

Eastern Conference Champions.

:rangers
 
I believe that you're as good as your record and by no definition was NY better than Montreal in the regular season. Montreal also knocked off the Bruins, the team universally considered the best of the East.

I think the Rangers have the edge in net, and on D; but their forwards are definitely the equal of NY.

You are entitled to believe the Rangers are superior, but if they lose the series they are not.

So one team has better D and goaltending than a team that has equal level forwards, and they're equal?

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Tomorrow night will be the biggest game of Henrik Lundqvist's career. Let's hope he and the team in front of him come to play and end this the way it should be…

On home ice...

Eastern Conference Champions.

:rangers

Eastern Conf champs on home ice just like '94
 
We defintely need to dial down the stupid quotient tomorrow. If we can eliminate the dumb penalties and play sound positional defense we'll win. The helter skelter style game is to the Habs advantage.
 
The good news is that we are starting to figure out Tokarski. He comes out too far, so we can then make a pass like McDonagh did. He also gives up some big rebounds so we need to keep going to the net.

It's amazing how many rebounds Tokarski gives up right into the middle and the Rangers can never cash in.
 
Does anyone have any further word about Lundqvist? AV said nothing was wrong with him during the press conference.

Remember that sucky game 4 against Pit? Henry took a really hard shot just above his groin and doubled over. I was there--he was hurt and he was not himself the rest of the night although his team wasn't helping him out much. Not a word about it in the press or from AV afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if last night he was hurting or under the weather and they just weren't discussing it.
 
We defintely need to dial down the stupid quotient tomorrow. If we can eliminate the dumb penalties and play sound positional defense we'll win. The helter skelter style game is to the Habs advantage.
It's amazing how many rebounds Tokarski gives up right into the middle and the Rangers can never cash in.



Shhhh he has been outplaying Hank.
 
Does anyone have any further word about Lundqvist? AV said nothing was wrong with him during the press conference.

Remember that sucky game 4 against Pit? Henry took a really hard shot just above his groin and doubled over. I was there--he was hurt and he was not himself the rest of the night although his team wasn't helping him out much. Not a word about it in the press or from AV afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if last night he was hurting or under the weather and they just weren't discussing it.

All reports were Hank felt slow last night, not injury related. AV said he didn't even think of putting him back in.
 
The first game of the series convinced us that the Rangers are much better than Montreal.

They're not.

Two evenly matched teams.

Rangers are in a good spot.

A lot of you can never accept a loss at any time. If the Rangers win a game in overtime, the posts are filled with how great they are. A loss in overtime generates endless posts saying they are all pure ****. That's nuts.

So many people forget there is another team on the ice that helps determine the outcome. It's not as simple as Rangers play well, they win. Play bad and they lose.

They are not two evenly matched teams. It is just wrong to even say that. While I agree with your overarching theme and message - that this board has pubescent hormonal mood swings given the outcome of a game, your justification for this post at this time is wrong.

The fact of the matter is that the Rangers are a better team than the Canadiens. The only team I think we were evenly matched up against was the Penguins - the Flyers and the Habs being marginally to significantly worse than our squad.

If I was to break it down, which I don't want to do but I will do anyway as there is near certainty that your or someone else will question my reasoning behind labeling the Rangers as the more dominant team to begin with, it goes like such:

The Rangers have the more talented offense. Talent is hard to appraise as it can be subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, but the Rangers' star power and depth convincingly trumps the talent of the Canadiens.

Their offense is far more balanced, meaning that their ability to score is not only potent due to the talent but evenly distributed, as well. I state this with near certainty and its validity seems almost unarguable.

Their defense is more talented and balanced and works better as a cohesive unit. If we were to cancel out Subban and McDonagh out of our judgement of this statement (as I consider both to be Norris candidates that are nearly equal in net worth to their respective teams), Girardi > Emelin, Staal > Markov, Stralman = Gorges, Klein = Weaver, and Moore/Diaz > Boullion.

The next thing to compare is the goalie situation and before the series started, I had Hank and Price equal as both had the capability of absolutely stifling the opposing team's offense at a nearly equal rate of time and probability. Seeing as we have only seen Price for 2 periods out of 17, and we are playing their 2nd back up (soon to be immediate back up), the advantage would obviously and undoubtedly go to the Rangers in this facet as well.

To dissect some more categories - namely special teams - our penalty kill (for the most part) absolutely dominates their power play, and our power play seems much more dangerous on a much more consistent basis against their penalty killers. So special teams would clearly go as an advantage to the Rangers, as well.

Finally, coaching. Therrien has a career record of 287-224, a winning percentage of 56%. Vigneault, comparatively, has a record of 462-308, a winning percentage of 60%. Vigneault has nearly a 4% higher winning percentage than Therrien having coached nearly twice the amount of games. We can give a marginal advantage to AV, although that is a conservative statement, but an advantage to the Rangers nonetheless.

There is absolutely no facet between both teams that the Rangers don't have an advantage on. They aren't two equally matched teams. Truth be told, we should have been able to finish this series in 4 games, or even 5.

But the Rangers have fallen victim to conforming their playing style to combat that of the Canadiens. They're engaging in behind the scenes play, allowing the Canadien players to get under their skin with their antics (whether that be media showmanship or on-ice embellishment), and they've deviated their method of playing in the last 2 games.

The board's mood swings are an issue that will always be ever-present and a general problem that one post, such as the one quoted, will not fix, alleviate, improve, or have any other positive outcome. It's aggravating and unbearable watching the tides turn on these boards and noticing how (sometimes) every shred of positivity can leave for days. But not for one moment will I agree with you that this team isn't the better team than the one that we are currently playing.

To win this series, it really is as simple as playing their game and playing it well and focused, and they'll win. Discipline, defense, goaltending was what Sam Rosen claimed to be our core values. We have a significant advantage over the Habs in not only just those 3 departments.

If this team loses this series, which I hope they don't and don't think that they will, every ounce of negative posting on this board will likely be justified, as the Rangers will not only have lost to an inferior team, but lost because they couldn't grasp their moment and their destiny. And there is absolutely nothing more disappointing in this world than watching things and people with such high potential throw it away because of a lack of discipline, direction, and focus.
 
The doctors examined Hank last evening and confirmed that he was suffering from the head-up-his-ass virus that was going around the locker room. He should be good to go tomorrow night.
 
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Their best player has been out the entire series lol

It shouldn't have, and probably wouldn't have, mattered... had this team been playing their game for every game of the series. They've played it 3/5 times, winning 2 of those 3 times and deserving a win in 3 of those 3 times. They could have swept this team.
 
In what was easily their worst game of the series, the Rangers STILL almost won.

If they settle down and focus on defense, they will win one of the last two, no doubt in my mind. If they get caught up in this circus, like they did yesterday and in game 3, they will lose.

Dorsett out might not be the worse thing to happen to them. These antics need to stop, especially when they are being instigated from our side.
 
In what was easily their worst game of the series, the Rangers STILL almost won.

If they settle down and focus on defense, they will win one of the last two, no doubt in my mind. If they get caught up in this circus, like they did yesterday and in game 3, they will lose.

Dorsett out might not be the worse thing to happen to them. These antics need to stop, especially when they are being instigated from our side.

I want him gone. Period. From the line up. From the team. He doesn't score goals. Doesn't win fights. And is a detriment to this team through means of giving bulletin board material to other teams because of his arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity.
 
I want him gone. Period. From the line up. From the team. He doesn't score goals. Doesn't win fights. And is a detriment to this team through means of giving bulletin board material to other teams because of his arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity.

That line has been very good until last night. I want him and that line to start playing like they did in prior series and in games where there isn't too man special teams time, like game 4.
 
I want him gone. Period. From the line up. From the team. He doesn't score goals. Doesn't win fights. And is a detriment to this team through means of giving bulletin board material to other teams because of his arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity.

Dorsett's had a couple of games where he's been excellent in the playoffs. Too bad it's way too few and far between. Plays well one out of every ten games.
 
I want him gone. Period. From the line up. From the team. He doesn't score goals. Doesn't win fights. And is a detriment to this team through means of giving bulletin board material to other teams because of his arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity.

I'm upset it was Carcillo and not he who got suspended. Weaver was perfect in describing him last night. He's like a chicken with his head cut off. Doesn't think the game at all.

Spraying that kid was the end of it for me. Montreal is as unclassy as they come, but I'm embarrassed to root for someone who does things like that.

And no, I don't condone what Carcillo did, but that was an extremely heated moment and I felt it was as much the refs fault as it was Carcillo's. He has also conducted himself well since come hearing.

Dorsett never seems to go more then 3 games before doing something stupid.
 

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