Didn't think deal was a good one at all! Doesn't make us even close to getting to a cup finals. Btw can the cigar smoker just retire please?!
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Didn't think deal was a good one at all! Doesn't make us even close to getting to a cup finals. Btw can the cigar smoker just retire please?!
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Seems like one of those times where stats are useful but intuition has to come into the decision making. Now, I'm willing to give St. Louis more than 5 games before I say that this is the Marty and the Rangers we have, but I've also been watching all the Tampa games since Callahan's been traded and he has been maybe they're best player. He hits everything, he goes to the net on every shift, and he's getting better every game as he adjusts to his linemates. Can he sustain it, I'm not sure, but I think so (minus the ppg pace).
Anyway, I'm not sure what to say about it other than I think in a vacuum getting Marty would benefit us, but maybe we all underestimated just what Cally brought to the team. Maybe we all would have loved if he gave more interesting post game reports, but look around the league and show me more than five captains who do. Maybe Callahan being willing to make every little or big play he could to help the team, to play any role, go to any spot on the ice, battle, give a ht, take a hit, do all that stuff nobody wants to do. Maybe all of that actually gets guys going, or at least makes them more willing to give a little bit back too. St. Louis is certainly a character guy, but to me, those are the areas Callahan brings it where Marty can't as much.
...Or it's just Brad Richards, which I'll buy into as well.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Yeah I know, I figured by saying "If there is a god..." that would have shown that I'm just wishfully thinking.
He absolutely sucks though.
I don't know if it's french canadian coaches in general, but this whole laxed demeanor **** needs to go.
Seems like one of those times where stats are useful but intuition has to come into the decision making. Now, I'm willing to give St. Louis more than 5 games before I say that this is the Marty and the Rangers we have, but I've also been watching all the Tampa games since Callahan's been traded and he has been maybe they're best player. He hits everything, he goes to the net on every ****, and he's getting better every game as he adjusts to his linemates. Can he sustain it, I'm not sure, but I think so (minus the ppg pace).
Anyway, I'm not sure what to say about it other than I think in a vacuum getting Marty would benefit us, but maybe we all underestimated just what Cally brought to the team. Maybe we all would have loved if he gave more interesting post game reports, but look around the league and show me more than five captains who do. Maybe Callahan being willing to make every little or big play he could to help the team, to play any role, go to any spot on the ice, battle, give a ht, take a hit, do all that stuff nobody wants to do. Maybe all of that actually gets guys going, or at least makes them more willing to give a little bit back too. St. Louis is certainly a character guy, but to me, those are the areas Callahan brings it where Marty can't as much.
...Or it's just Brad Richards, which I'll buy into as well.
Yeah except, he didn't any of that here this year. The guy hasn't been that great here. If anything this angers me more because the guy was mailing it in with the Rangers. People don't remember that Callahan was invisible most of the year this year. This is not 11-12 Cally.
Our top players aren't doing good enough.
Nash needs to be better
MSL needs to be better
Richards needs to be better
- Everyone we bring in to help the Rangers score goals comes here and sucks. I am so tired of it and it is the main reason I hated the MSL trade.
- This team has no passion. No fire. I don't care about toughness (to an extent) or being up other opponents but does anyone on this team even care? Show some damn passion.
It isn't the loss. It is the way they lose and the way they don't come back. After that Canes game they should've been hungry for a win tonight.
Nash needs to be better
MSL needs to be better
Richards needs to be better
- Everyone we bring in to help the Rangers score goals comes here and sucks. I am so tired of it and it is the main reason I hated the MSL trade.
- This team has no passion. No fire. I don't care about toughness (to an extent) or being up other opponents but does anyone on this team even care? Show some damn passion.
It isn't the loss. It is the way they lose and the way they don't come back. After that Canes game they should've been hungry for a win tonight.
NYR Sting
Heart and Soul
I love reading your analysis. Like Callahan is a "mediocre possession player." I truly feel bad for you.
Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
RiceCooker
"We Got Some Looks"
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Callahan is a "good" or "great" possession player?
That's news to me. He has very little offensive creativity and is definitely not a good playmaker, which is a part of being a possession player.
Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
Oh no, the guy isn't throwing tantrums after every loss. Grow up. The Rangers mailed in plenty of games with Torts who is the most passionate (i.e. petulant) coach there is. You have to realize not everything is as simple as your black and white view of the world. Coach yell, players play hard, Hulk like.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I guess that's where you and I would disagree. I'd say he's riding an adrenaline rush right now in Tampa and won't sustain this level of play to the end of the season, but even once he cools off, I don't think he "mails it in" the way people on here tend to say he does. I didn't think Callahan of 11-12 was like that every game, or even most of the time. He had hot streaks and cold streaks like every other player, and I think this year it was totally reasonable to think the contract and the new system were enough to throw him out of his rhythm, just look at Lundqvist and the way his season turned around after the contract. But my point is actually that even when he isn't the Ryan Callahan that Pierre McGuire jerks it to every time we play on NBC, he almost always gets in on the forecheck, pressure the defense, back check hard, gets himself into good position, goes to the net, works the corners, chips and chases, blocks shots. His game is not complicated nor is it the most aesthetically pleasing most of the time, but I don't anyhting I said about Callahan hasn't been the case this season.
Also, we're still dancing around the Brad Richards thing...
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
The Rangers have to stop bringing people in over 30 and expect good results. It's never really worked for them. Messier and Jagr being the exceptions.
Richards was good his first year but that was it. Guy is finished.
If MSL does indeed bomb here that is a fire-able offense.
Team needs youth badly.
Richards was good his first year but that was it. Guy is finished.
If MSL does indeed bomb here that is a fire-able offense.
Team needs youth badly.
Agree on everything.
Go back as little as 5 years, and the only 4 guys still on the roster are Lundqvist, Girardi, Boyle, McDonagh...think about that for a moment.
10-11: 7 guys
9-10: 4 guys
Within 5 years, Sather has completely overhauled the roster.
Instead of taking a roster that was 6 wins shy of a Cup, adding Kreider, Miller, and other pieces to the core and eventually adding a "missing piece" like St. Louis...Sather instead completely gutted and overhauled the roster within 2 seasons. Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Del Zotto, Gaborik, Prust. Huge parts of the team, gone. All of them with exception to Gaborik, players that wear their hearts on their sleeves and play with passion and guts.
I hate what Sather has done to this team.
I can only speak from an observational standpoint but I went to one live game this year against Dallas when we won right after Chicago and that game changed the way I watched Callahan this season. Up close you can really watch all the little things he does right throughout the game. He was fantastic, and I don't think that was one of his "flashes of 11-12 Cally" games either.
NYR Sting
Heart and Soul
Callahan gets you possession of the puck, and he does it better than most. Above all else, the greatest value of Callahan-type players is that they help you gain possession.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Oh no, the guy isn't throwing tantrums after every loss. Grow up. The Rangers mailed in plenty of games with Torts who is the most passionate (i.e. petulant) coach there is. You have to realize not everything is as simple as your black and white view of the world. Coach yell, players play hard, Hulk like.
Grow up???
Learn how to read, and stop sticking words in my mouth and then you can talk to me about "growing up."
I wasn't calling for a Tortarella like coach, I was calling for one that exhibits SOME sort of fire when things aren't going right.
My black and white view of the world??? What are you even talking about??? You don't have a damn clue of what my "view of the world is" because you can't pull your own damn head out of the sand to realize what I'm actually clamoring for.
Get over yourself, dude.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
He did a great job of that this season and last...
So technically what he said about Callahan isn't that far off then, because his job isn't technically to be a good possession player, it's to help gain possession then.
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