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If you want to call that vibes instead of just scouting, alright, I guess I see what you mean, but it does make it sound a lot more flippant than I think it probably is.
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bacchist
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I just think it's all so subjective and nobody really knows anything aside from the most obvious cases. And even when it's "obvious" people just get it wrong. Consensus #1 picks end up busting, and late round gambles end up paying off. The sample sizes we're dealing with are so tiny that even over a decade or more, draft success is largely luck.
I'm not saying that people don't take it seriously and have a robust process, but if there was anything close to certainty in the process they wouldn't even have to play the games. Just rank all the players and see which team is better.
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How NFL Teams Put Together a Big Board for the NFL Draft
I became a full-time scout in 1984 after having been a part-time scout for three years with the Buffalo Bills. I covered the Great Lakes region for National Football Scouting, one of the two scouting services at the time...
ynotcaps
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I think this is right on.
This is done badly all the time.
It's easy to look at huge busts like JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich to name a very few and go "man, those were clown picks" -- and they were! -- but for every one of those obvious blunders there are a bunch of guys who the entire league passed on multiple times who turn into stars. If this truly were a science, there's no way Dak Prescott makes it to round 4, Matthew Judon, D.J. Reader and Tyreek Hill make it to round 5, and J.D. McKissick and Cory Littleton go undrafted.
Why do I pick that random sprinkling of players? Because all those guys are from ONE draft year (2016).
You really do have to look at the teams -- or, to be really precise, the talent evaluation groups --that have sustained success over a period of years. Those operations earn the benefit of the doubt when they make picks that make you go, "huh" (sorry). And they'll make some bone-head picks, too, because it's the nature of the beast.
To bring it all home, it's a pretty unsatisfying discussion with this team because our talent acquisition - -drafting + FA -- has been so ****ing terrible for so long. we've had to look outside for literally decades to see how it can be done well.
Here's hoping the Harris era kicks off for real in 2024 with a group of folks who can make us one of the exemplars of how it's done well. With 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and a metric butt-load of cap space, they'll have room to work!
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How NFL Teams Put Together a Big Board for the NFL Draft
I became a full-time scout in 1984 after having been a part-time scout for three years with the Buffalo Bills. I covered the Great Lakes region for National Football Scouting, one of the two scouting services at the time...bleacherreport.com
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Obviously it makes sense to prioritize….it just shouldn’t be the primary factor.
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RandyHolt
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It looks like the plug was pulled on es.redskins.com message board.
Meanwhile, Sam appears to be hitting it big time
Sam making it look easy week 9
Any else notice in the last 2 games Howl has been lofting his deep ball MUCH more?
Meanwhile, Sam appears to be hitting it big time
Sam making it look easy week 9
Any else notice in the last 2 games Howl has been lofting his deep ball MUCH more?
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RIP ExtremeSkins
That and HF are the only message boards I'm on now. I don't really visit the Stadium as much, mostly Tailgate which is mostly off topic fodder. That said, ES was a staple of Skins fans for nearly 20 years. People complained about the mods but every site is going to have people complaining about the mods so that really wasn't valid. TK jumbo and Destino are good people.
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I am curious if there was there any advanced notice. I figured I had been shadow banned for asking mods why there was no place to discuss the trades.
About that, its odd that Montez and Young have the same agent yet only Sweat learned of his trade before twitter did. I guess we are left to assume he wasn't fond of Young.
I am sure some Commandeer out there can throw up a new site to fill the void.
John Price
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tk the mod said there was no notice they just shut it down.
they'll just flock to reddit
Jacoby4HOF66
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Yes. Teams typically don’t pick players that don’t fit their system just because he’s BPA. They consider need and the systems they run on offense and defense and then scout players that fit those types of criteria. Out of that smaller pool then make a selection. To many players to have detailed scouting on all of them.
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Commanders PFF grades: Best and worst performers vs. Patriots in Week 9
PFF grades for last week
Allen and Payne in bottom 5 for D .. I feel like they were bottom 5 for another game as well
Allen doesnt seem to be phased by his foot injury. Going to workouts at the facility this Monday and Tuesday when they have the days off.
Need a lot more from Allen and Payne. 1 or 2 splashy plays a game then nothing isnt doing it.
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Glad ES is shut down.
I was banned from there.
go to thewarpath.net for good skins fans
PFF grades for last week
Allen and Payne in bottom 5 for D .. I feel like they were bottom 5 for another game as well
Allen doesnt seem to be phased by his foot injury. Going to workouts at the facility this Monday and Tuesday when they have the days off.
Need a lot more from Allen and Payne. 1 or 2 splashy plays a game then nothing isnt doing it.
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Glad ES is shut down.
I was banned from there.
go to thewarpath.net for good skins fans
No idea if it’s still a thing but cpnd.us used to be a great spot to talk Washington football. They had a few people who were real smart on the salary cap and contracts. I think one or two posters from here are active over there as well.
Missed every bit of football from Week 9. Are we still firing everyone after the win in NE?
Missed every bit of football from Week 9. Are we still firing everyone after the win in NE?
CPND is still going strong. I pop in there from time to time. Good crew, but the occasional endless debate about minutiae can get tedious. I believe @WetHog can be seen there sometimes as well?
True story, the founder there was mauled by a bear and killed, feels like15 years ago now. Left behind a lot of really sad posters.
Ovechkins Wodka
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Yes but it might be Delayed until black Monday
John Price
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it's amazing I never faced any sanctions from ES, something I can't say about the other boards I've been on. People talk about the ES mods but the ones on reddit are much worse
will greatly miss ES. it wasn't just the board too they had ES tailgates which was basically my go to before every home game.
will greatly miss ES. it wasn't just the board too they had ES tailgates which was basically my go to before every home game.
Ovechkins Wodka
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I went to a few of their tailgates back when I still want to games in the Zorn era
g00n
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As The Patriot Way dies out with McDaniels, Belichick and Garoppolo, we see it was always The Brady Way
Belichick has the AFC's worst record. McDaniels was fired. And Garoppolo was benched. This all felt like the end of The Patriot Way, the greatest and most poorly replicated corporate doctrine in NFL history, now just paint over rust.
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Forum used to be popping in the mid 2000s. Think it went downhill after Washington bought them out.
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Jacoby4HOF66
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This 100%, but that's not how it comes up in conversation. "Always BPA, never need" is how it comes up, and that's just the way people argue now. "It's not about that, it's about THIS!" is something you hear in 100% of discussions. Meanwhile, anything worth discussing is always about more than one thing.
So yeah, BPA is a good idea, but everyone's board is weighted by a bunch of factors and need is definitely one of them.
First half of the first round is really the only consistent time that arguments over BPA aren't mostly horseshit. The very top of the draft is the only time when the next pick can boil down to, "Okay, THIS guy is definitely the best player available. Huge falloff after him." And even that isn't all that common.
Of course need is important, and in most of the draft the difference between the best guard and the best safety is subjective at best. NFL drafts are way more nuanced than lots of people seem to think.
So when a team's O-line has been playing shitty enough all year that posters are saying with obvious hyperbole that we need to draft OL in every round and someone chimes in with, "No! Always BPA, never need! Drafting for need is stupid!"... That person is starting a pages-long and mostly pointless discussion loaded with "It's not about that, it's about THIS" nonsense.
It was a joke. Giggle and move along.
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