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I think we all got that the “draft O-line every round” thing was tongue in cheek, and yet it was still a fun conversation with @ynotcaps

I also think when anyone here replies BPA, they understand the nuances of the draft and weighing need in any team’s draft board rankings. It’s message board lazy shorthand. We have very knowledgeable posters…they get it without having to spell things out every single time.

Back to the main topic, accounting for need is expected, just don’t reach and draft guys wildly out of rank because of it.
 
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This 100%, but that's not how it comes up in conversation. "Always BPA, never need" is how it comes up, and that's just the way people argue now. "It's not about that, it's about THIS!" is something you hear in 100% of discussions. Meanwhile, anything worth discussing is always about more than one thing.

So yeah, BPA is a good idea, but everyone's board is weighted by a bunch of factors and need is definitely one of them.

First half of the first round is really the only consistent time that arguments over BPA aren't mostly horseshit. The very top of the draft is the only time when the next pick can boil down to, "Okay, THIS guy is definitely the best player available. Huge falloff after him." And even that isn't all that common.

Of course need is important, and in most of the draft the difference between the best guard and the best safety is subjective at best. NFL drafts are way more nuanced than lots of people seem to think.

So when a team's O-line has been playing shitty enough all year that posters are saying with obvious hyperbole that we need to draft OL in every round and someone chimes in with, "No! Always BPA, never need! Drafting for need is stupid!"... That person is starting a pages-long and mostly pointless discussion loaded with "It's not about that, it's about THIS" nonsense.

It was a joke. Giggle and move along.
This guy gets it

I think we all got that the “draft O-line every round” thing was tongue in cheek, and yet it was still a fun conversation with @ynotcaps

I also think when anyone here replies BPA, they understand the nuances of the draft and weighing need in any team’s draft board rankings. It’s message board lazy shorthand. We have very knowledgeable posters…they get it without having to spell things out every single time.

Back to the main topic, accounting for need is expected, just don’t reach and draft guys wildly out of rank because of it.
Of course it was tongue in cheek.

You have to draft D line sometimes too.
 
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The idea that you adjust your draft board (ranking players) based even in part on your own team needs means you are by definition, potentially drafting players you yourself have rated inferior to other players simply because they play a position where your current roster has holes. Sheer logic says this is how you end up with a balanced but mediocre roster, vs having a roster with more stud impact players.

Even the pro scout that Goon referenced to admitted that they rank within positions then make a big board based on need, and there's no evidence that those teams had superior drafting results vs other teams. Unfortunately I can't find the old article but there was considerable evidence that the handful of teams which drafted BPA exclusively and ignored need when drafting players, were the top teams in the league over multiple decades.

If two players available at your turn to pick have truly identical grades, then selecting the player who fits a hole may make some sense, but ranking one player over another based on the gaps in the current roster, is a recipe for drafting inferior players vs your competitors over the long haul.
 
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The idea that you adjust your draft board (ranking players) based even in part on your own team needs means you are by definition, potentially drafting players you yourself have rated inferior to other players simply because they play a position where your current roster has holes. Sheer logic says this is how you end up with a balanced but mediocre roster, vs having a roster with more stud impact players.

There's plenty of truth in what you're saying, but there's so much oversimplification and hyperbole baked in that your point gets lost.

You're assuming that the player I draft based in part on need compared to the one I'd draft otherwise is drastically inferior. Mediocre versus stud, to use your words.

That's not how it goes most of the time. Yes, there are certainly examples (especially with the benefit of hindsight) of teams going way off the board, sometimes based on need. But that's pretty rare. Most of the time you're talking about miniscule differences in overall quality and -- if we're to be totally honest -- differences that can only be measured in theory because you're trying to compare between positions that are so different that the skillsets simply aren't comparable.

The key difference between someone you have ranked as a mid-third offensive tackle and a mid-third cornerback? Need. You can't weigh the importance of the positions because they're equally crucial, just in ridiculously different ways. The one weight that stands out is whether your team needs one position over the other.

Need is as important a factor as any other, and just like the others it needs to be weighed against all the others. If the point you're making is that a team shouldn't pick a fifth-round guard in the third round because they need one and like this one in particular, then congratulations! You've made an obvious point that everyone already agrees with.

But the far more common scenario is that you're on the clock, you've got 9 players pretty equally rated at that spot, they all play different positions, and it simply boils down to need.

So you choose the guy that's ranked 7th among those 9 guys on lists put together by amateurs, and the peanut gallery hangs you for drafting for need because "BPA, goddammit!" It's stucking fupid.

Of course need matters. It just shouldn't be the only thing that matters, which is another obvious point not worth making...
 
Who's excited for a matchup of 1-7 and 2-7 teams tonight!!
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m hardly excited for prime time games this year. I feel like they’ve all been pretty boring. Need new commentators or something to spice it up, just kinda meh
 
Do you know what you dont see anymore?

All those cars w Seahawk stickers and flags driving around the DMV like you did 10 years ago.

I was amazed we had this huge secret society of people from the North West living here.
 


The redskins won. lol

This was the game where Doctson caught a late TD pass. His lone highlight of his professional career.

That guy was such a bum, wouldnt play unless he was feeling 110%.

Glad St Juste is playing this year. Was starting to get the same vibes.

Forbes - top rated PFF CB for last week .. nice job young man
 
The debate dance between BPA and drafting for positional need is eternal.... like the sun rising and setting. The draft is littered with with busts and and the ground flooded with ex-NFL GM tears on the misses. Drafting is hard, man. First round I do give a bit of edge on the scale on the BPA. Sort of the debate on upside versus high floor.
 
barely a quarter in and Young already has at least 1 sack
It will be interesting to see how Young looks playing on a competently coached defensive.

Sweat on the other hand hasn’t shown squat since going to the Bears as far as I have seen, but their defense is terrible also.
 
Anyone else watching the Packers/Steelers game seeing a screwed up font for the game and play clock? Some QC/QA person had a little too much fun last night and is mailing it in..
 
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Anyone else watching the Packers/Steelers game seeing a screwed up font for the game and play clock? Some QC/QA person had a little too much fun last night and is mailing it in..
Looks like their timeclock sync software isn't working so they're just shooting cameras at the stadium game and play clocks and showing those through a window with altered colors.


....aaaand it's fixed
 
Parlay already busted (thanks Texans) so I have no more rooting interest in this Ravens game

Lol if Browns win it
 
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