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Speculation: New Morgan Rielly Discussion (no longer a fringe movement)

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Ianturnedbull said:
Giordano is the exception in the league. How many Defensemen in the league play that well for so little? So yes you can compare them, but how long will this dream situation for Dubas continue? Gio might keep playing well from now and through the playoffs, but those of us that played sports at age 40+ know to show caution. Gio's success and ability might drop off tomorrow.

So in short: we need both and we need their contributions. We need both to play well. What we don't need is to "trade Rielly", "keep him far away from the PP", and "play Rielly on left wing".
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I'm not sure who you are arguing with here . . . but I don't think it''s me .
 
Stephen said:
Chances are they'll keep Rielly and use him in a status quo role and that will be a conservative and appropriate solution.

But that's also not to say there isn't some Demar DeRozan trade scenario that would benefit Toronto at some point, or that taking Rielly off the PP isn't something even the team is thinking about. Why is Bunting out there on the 5 man unit if things are perfect?

Nothing is likely to happen but that doesn't mean there isn't some room for chit chat.
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This has to be on the table. If a trade comes that will push us over the top and it takes Rielly to do it, I don't care how "fan-friendly" or "likeable" he is. If Derozan could be moved, Rielly can be moved.
 
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TheMadHatTrick said:
This has to be on the table. If a trade comes that will push us over the top and it takes Rielly to do it, I don't care how "fan-friendly" or "likeable" he is. If Derozan could be moved, Rielly can be moved.
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But you are NOT getting a Kawhi level superstar for Morgan Rielly unless you gut the system of prospects and picks too. Sorry...I've seen that movie.
 
Rielly is so good you can never trade him unless it's for a star, but you also can't get a star player in return for him. Go figure. lol
 
What everybody always forgets is that Morgan Rielly has been the most consistent playoff performer for the Leafs throughout the "big 4 era". His transition game is huge in the playoffs when players have less space.

He is also one of the few players who has been better in the playoffs than the regular season most years. We typically have an issue with our players having great regular seasons and then mediocre playoffs.


He's not going anywhere and the group that dislike him are thr vocal minority who focus on his shortcomings instead of everything he does right that the Leafs need.
 
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BlueBaron said:
I think fringe group is being very kind. No serious person is suggesting we move Rielly.

Our stretch of good defensive play has confused a lot of our fans. Many think we have an elite blueline. We don't. We have a decent one with room for improvement. There is a reason no one ever mentions his Cap hit. That's usually a sign their value isn't in question.
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I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting we trade him, as we all know he has an NMC. That's not the complaint. The OP said "many fringe fans don't like him on the PP".

Calling them "fringe fans" is a poor attempt to denigrate their supposed opinions.

Many serious, long time, die-hard fans don't think he is the best option on the PP.
 
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Ianturnedbull said:
It's hardly an argument. Just supporting my position. I know you like Rielly.
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Well, you argue as if I attacked several points I never did, that's what I am referring to. You should re-read your post, it's the most defensive writing you can get!

Which is sort of contingent to my original point - and it's a general one - people rarely discuss actual points, they only defend opinions from an emotional standpoint.
 
slozo said:
Well, you argue as if I attacked several points I never did, that's what I am referring to. You should re-read your post, it's the most defensive writing you can get!

Which is sort of contingent to my original point - and it's a general one - people rarely discuss actual points, they only defend opinions from an emotional standpoint.
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Now you're arguing, and from an emotional standpoint. You wouldn't go on like this otherwise.

You go over my responses as though you mean to help me. You don't mean to help me. You want to make me look bad or try to provoke me to lose my cool.
 
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I think this is reasonable

Out of 195 voters:
2 think he's 4th. best
4 think he's 5th. best

We don't know where the other 189 rate him, heck maybe they'd all rate him 6th. best? :D

At one time in a fantasy trade idea I suggested Quinn Hughes, but very few thought he was a good defenseman because he's about generating offense. Can't remember who I was trading for him? Maybe a search would find it. Again, it was just a fantasy trade as many here like to do. We understand it's just playing a game, like this thread is just having fun. Everyone knows he's a very good hockey player. Everyone knows he has his warts 'cause he's just a very good hockey player, and even the best aren't perfect.




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francis246 said:
That is extremely risky. What if Dougie Hamilton or Pietrangelo says no? Then you’re left with no #1 d.
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Heck, even if they do want to come here, you'd just be left paying more money through worse ages for players who bring similar impact as Rielly.
It's hilarious seeing people bash Rielly and then turn around and call Hamilton and Pietrangelo "true #1s".
 
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What everybody always forgets is that Morgan Rielly has been the most consistent playoff performer for the Leafs throughout the "big 4 era". His transition game is huge in the playoffs when players have less space.

He is also one of the few players who has been better in the playoffs than the regular season most years. We typically have an issue with our players having great regular seasons and then mediocre playoffs.


He's not going anywhere and the group that dislike him are thr vocal minority who focus on his shortcomings instead of everything he does right that the Leafs need.
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Whaaaaaaaat?

Can you not accept that nothing short of perfection is acceptable, and rather than focus on the 9 out of 10 things he does well, we must trade him away for the 1 perceived short-coming, and take whatever we can 'cuz all the other teams know he's trash??? Meanwhile the Incredible Holl is unthinkable to sit out, let alone be traded?

Madness I say! Sheer madness!!

Joking aside, I agree with everything you said. Well said too....👍
 
Anthrax442 said:
Im no Rielly hater, but he hasnt played well since the beginning of the season. I hoped he'd relax in the press box while injured and get his head in order, but he hasnt.
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Yeah, I'm not a Rielly hater either, but I've really disliked his game for most of 2022-23, like a repeat of 2021. He just forces things and doesn't read the play defensively and turns everything into a fire drill.
 
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No longer fringe. Now a hot take. Discussed on 3 of the 4 hockey shows I listen to.

Part of popular culture (eye test) now? Has it been already tried/tested/exhausted amongst elite hockey circles (analytics)?

It's out there...
 
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He's always and i mean ALWAYS sucked after he comes back from injuries...it usually takes him a bit. I do agree he has stunk of late.

Hopefully he picks it up soon, and so does our god damn team.
 
TheMadHatTrick said:
This has to be on the table. If a trade comes that will push us over the top and it takes Rielly to do it, I don't care how "fan-friendly" or "likeable" he is. If Derozan could be moved, Rielly can be moved.
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It's Pessimistic (or is it realism?) Friday so I will be a bit more direct than usual.

Leafs are a team grandma would have over to bake some cookies. They will offer to do a few chores around the house, show off their juggling skills or some other offbeat act while grandma claps with glee. Genuinely nice, safe corporate players. A nice bunch of young-ish (now) lads who do well when everyone plays nice and is happy. "No pressure kids, bake the cookies, play checkers and I will pour you a glass of milk".

Then the playoffs start and the opposition says, "just force the series to a game seven and the nice guys will fold so they can get back to baking cookies*. If you are T.B you challenge the refs to call a dive against you (yes, in fairness, the Leafs had that series stolen).

I'm not sure Dubas can do enough at this deadline to bring this team to a Cup. I saw some steady glimpses but what has been lacking remains lacking and other teams are now charging a premium for it.

It is what it is, I've accepted that I will never see a Leafs Cup in my lifetime and I"m far from alone in that regard. Our best shot was with a single owner in Ballard who answered to no one and didn't have cap restrictions. Some of us know what he did.

The most mentally tough Gamers don't often wear a Leaf uniform and when they do they don't stick around. It's the best place to play if you are a player. Fans are just perpetual sufferers.

Watching Reilly I would say this, ditch any borderline offensive gambles, focus on defense first snd stop respecting the opponent from time to time. Oddly, I thought he played very strong (at times) when paired with Lybushkin last year. It was sometimes a bit frantic but it was hell for the opposition between the two of them.
 
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