Line Combos: New lineup??

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This is a cap compliant roster, though it risks exposing Timmins on waivers to get him sent down. Moving Lafferty would solve the problem as well but the Leafs already have so few forwards who can reliably kill penalties that that's not a path I want to go down.

For forwards, the top two lines will carry most of the offensive load, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue now that the top two left wing slots will have legitimate top 6 LW talent. Bertuzzi is just a better Bunting and that line of Bunting-Matthews-Nylander were great in their minutes so this combo should provide a similar result. Don't think Domi has the defensive chops to centre his own line so placing him with one of the teams most defensively responsible players in Marner should help cover for him while providing Domi two skilled players who he can utilize his playmaking with, and he can switch out with JT at centre occasionally. Mitch and JT have also shown previous chemistry. Knies could play in the top 6 but I think Keefe likes the idea of a responsible defensive line that he can throw out to chew minutes. This third line would do that and is of a similar build to one he used a lot in the playoffs when Knies played with O'Reilly and Acciari. Both Kampf and Jarnkrok however are downgrades so it'll be more of a challenge, but Knies has shown good defensive instincts early on and this line would be good for experience. Fourth line is the fourth line, but I will say that Holmberg's spot is in no way locked in, it's basically reserved for whoever between him, Robertson, McMann, or Gambrell impresses the most. Holmberg wins out on my roster due to his position and style.

On defence, while Rielly-Brodie have shown to be a good pairing before Keefe has shown an affinity for having a shutdown pairing, whether that was Muzzin-Holl, Muzzin-Brodie, or McCabe-Brodie he's always had one. I don't think Keefe trusts Liljegren enough to use him and McCabe like that, and I also think it would be a waste to use one of MCabe or Brodie to essentially babysit Klingberg. Liljegren isn't as physical as Schenn but he has shown strong defensive instincts over a long stretch of time. If he takes another step he should be able to handle secondary assignments alongside Rielly. Gio gets the hand-holding assignment with Klingberg. Outside of special teams third pairing minutes is all either of these guys should get due to Gio's age and Klingberg's defensive deficiencies.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Lafferty-Holmberg-Reaves

McCabe-Brodie
Rielly-Liljegren
Giordano-Klingberg

Samsonov
Woll


I think that's a solid lineup. Each forward line has another player ready to take the faceoff in case the primary centre is removed, poor defensive players are sheltered, and there's a good mixture of skill, speed, and grit on every line. Two weaknesses are that Kampf at 3C isn't the ideal outcome, but he's the best suited to it currently on the team, and on the backend I'd like to have more beef back there but Schenn priced himself out and there just aren't any good options out there outside of a trade.

I'm also very concerned about losing Timmins, definitely think there's something there and he's shown flashes of offensive brilliance. Knowing that other teams are assholes though and the fact that Timmins is actually a decent player means the chances of him sneaking through are low, with the only hope being that teams are too capped out and have their own prospects they want to reserve time for. Frustrating as we're only a little under $500K away from being cap compliant with him on this roster. A couple hundred thousand saved on the free agents we signed and/or the arbitrator being harsher in his decision with Sammy and we wouldn't have this situation but here we are.
 
My forward lines for some depth:

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Bertuzzi is a pretty good playmaker and will open a lot of space for Matthews. I liked Jarnkrok beside Matthews last season.

Knies - Tavares - Marner
I think Tavares is at his best when he plays with Marner. Knies would also benefit from Marner's vision and passing, though he can create chances on his own.

Domi - Kampf - Nylander
Kampf should be able to make up for Nylander and Domi's defensive flaws. Domi and Nylander should make light work of their matchups here.

Lafferty - X - Reaves
Could not think of anything good for this line. Ideally, I'd have Nylander playing slightly longer shifts to limit Reaves' ice time. So Nylander would be playing third line minutes + some fourth line minutes + PP time.

Rielly - Brodie
I like Brodie with Reilly. The best D partner we've ever paired with him imo.

McCabe - Klingberg
Brodie might be necessary to cover for Klingberg's atrocious defence, but we'll see if McCabe can handle the load.

Gio - Liljegren
I liked this pairing in Gio's first season with us. Seems like he has lost a step a bit so we'll see if he can handle this role still.

Timmins
 
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My forward lines for some depth:

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Bertuzzi is a pretty good playmaker and will open a lot of space for Matthews. I liked Jarnkrok beside Matthews last season.

Knies - Tavares - Marner
I think Tavares is at his best when he plays with Marner. Knies would also benefit from Marner's vision and passing, though he can create chances on his own.

Domi - Kampf - Nylander
Kampf should be able to make up for Nylander and Domi's defensive flaws. Domi and Nylander should make light work of their matchups here.

Lafferty - X - Reaves
Could not think of anything good for this line. Ideally, I'd have Nylander playing slightly longer shifts to limit Reaves' ice time. So Nylander would be playing third line minutes + some fourth line minutes + PP time.

Rielly - Brodie
I like Brodie with Reilly. The best D partner we've ever paired with him imo.

McCabe - Klingberg
Brodie might be necessary to cover for Klingberg's atrocious defence, but we'll see if McCabe can handle the load.

Gio - Liljegren
I liked this pairing in Gio's first season with us. Seems like he has lost a step a bit so we'll see if he can handle this role still.

Timmins
Not bad, but why put the player who led the team in ES goals and points last year (second in both goals and assists at 5v5), and who was listed as the sixth best passer in the league, on the third line?
 
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Not bad, but why put the player who led the team in ES goals and points last year (second in both goals and assists at 5v5), and who was listed as the sixth best passer in the league, on the third line?
Mostly to make it a nightmare for teams to match up against. In the regular season, I have no problem stacking the lines, but in the playoffs, depth is more important imo. Usually teams have one designated shutdown line, why am putting Matthews, Marner and Nylander on different lines. They can deploy their Danualt or Bergeron against the top two lines, but must deal with the wrath of Nylander as soon as those guys are off the ice.
 
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Mostly to make it a nightmare for teams to match up against. In the regular season, I have no problem stacking the lines, but in the playoffs, depth is more important imo. Usually teams have one designated shutdown line, why am putting Matthews, Marner and Nylander on different lines. They can deploy their Danualt or Bergeron against the top two lines, but must deal with the wrath of Nylander as soon as those guys are off the ice.
I can see it to an extent in the playoffs, which are a long way off, but the corollary is that you're watering down the top lines, giving them weaker linemates, and limiting the ice time of one of your best players.
 
I can see it to an extent in the playoffs, which are a long way off, but the corollary is that you're watering down the top lines, giving them weaker linemates, and limiting the ice time of one of your best players.
I see your point. I guess I'm just hoping that a great top 9 is better than an elite top 6. Whether that's a winning formula, I don't know, but having a few goals from the bottom 6 in the playoffs sure would've been nice.
 
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I see your point. I guess I'm just hoping that a great top 9 is better than an elite top 6. Whether that's a winning formula, I don't know, but having a few goals from the bottom 6 in the playoffs sure would've been nice.
Sure, but dropping one of your three best players to the third line seems extreme.
 
My forward lines for some depth:

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Bertuzzi is a pretty good playmaker and will open a lot of space for Matthews. I liked Jarnkrok beside Matthews last season.

Knies - Tavares - Marner
I think Tavares is at his best when he plays with Marner. Knies would also benefit from Marner's vision and passing, though he can create chances on his own.

Domi - Kampf - Nylander
Kampf should be able to make up for Nylander and Domi's defensive flaws. Domi and Nylander should make light work of their matchups here.

Lafferty - X - Reaves
Could not think of anything good for this line. Ideally, I'd have Nylander playing slightly longer shifts to limit Reaves' ice time. So Nylander would be playing third line minutes + some fourth line minutes + PP time.

Rielly - Brodie
I like Brodie with Reilly. The best D partner we've ever paired with him imo.

McCabe - Klingberg
Brodie might be necessary to cover for Klingberg's atrocious defence, but we'll see if McCabe can handle the load.

Gio - Liljegren
I liked this pairing in Gio's first season with us. Seems like he has lost a step a bit so we'll see if he can handle this role still.

Timmins


I really like those forward lines, that's a great mix of weight and firepower on the top 2 lines. 3rd line should be able to score a lot against weaker competition. Obviously looking for a way to get Nylander some more ice time, but that can be figured out.

I think the problem is with the defense. I think the pairings which you've listed are our best top 6, but I don't think we can go all season like that. I think we really need to manage Gio's workload. Brodie looked to be breaking down by season's end as well. I wondered if we could try:

Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe - Klingberg
Brodie - Timmins
Gio


I'd like to see Timmins get more ice time too. He looked great at times last year. He has 14 points in 25 games, while only averaging 15:37 minutes.
 
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This is a cap compliant roster, though it risks exposing Timmins on waivers to get him sent down. Moving Lafferty would solve the problem as well but the Leafs already have so few forwards who can reliably kill penalties that that's not a path I want to go down.

For forwards, the top two lines will carry most of the offensive load, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue now that the top two left wing slots will have legitimate top 6 LW talent. Bertuzzi is just a better Bunting and that line of Bunting-Matthews-Nylander were great in their minutes so this combo should provide a similar result. Don't think Domi has the defensive chops to centre his own line so placing him with one of the teams most defensively responsible players in Marner should help cover for him while providing Domi two skilled players who he can utilize his playmaking with, and he can switch out with JT at centre occasionally. Mitch and JT have also shown previous chemistry. Knies could play in the top 6 but I think Keefe likes the idea of a responsible defensive line that he can throw out to chew minutes. This third line would do that and is of a similar build to one he used a lot in the playoffs when Knies played with O'Reilly and Acciari. Both Kampf and Jarnkrok however are downgrades so it'll be more of a challenge, but Knies has shown good defensive instincts early on and this line would be good for experience. Fourth line is the fourth line, but I will say that Holmberg's spot is in no way locked in, it's basically reserved for whoever between him, Robertson, McMann, or Gambrell impresses the most. Holmberg wins out on my roster due to his position and style.

On defence, while Rielly-Brodie have shown to be a good pairing before Keefe has shown an affinity for having a shutdown pairing, whether that was Muzzin-Holl, Muzzin-Brodie, or McCabe-Brodie he's always had one. I don't think Keefe trusts Liljegren enough to use him and McCabe like that, and I also think it would be a waste to use one of MCabe or Brodie to essentially babysit Klingberg. Liljegren isn't as physical as Schenn but he has shown strong defensive instincts over a long stretch of time. If he takes another step he should be able to handle secondary assignments alongside Rielly. Gio gets the hand-holding assignment with Klingberg. Outside of special teams third pairing minutes is all either of these guys should get due to Gio's age and Klingberg's defensive deficiencies.

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Lafferty-Holmberg-Reaves

McCabe-Brodie
Rielly-Liljegren
Giordano-Klingberg

Samsonov
Woll


I think that's a solid lineup. Each forward line has another player ready to take the faceoff in case the primary centre is removed, poor defensive players are sheltered, and there's a good mixture of skill, speed, and grit on every line. Two weaknesses are that Kampf at 3C isn't the ideal outcome, but he's the best suited to it currently on the team, and on the backend I'd like to have more beef back there but Schenn priced himself out and there just aren't any good options out there outside of a trade.

I'm also very concerned about losing Timmins, definitely think there's something there and he's shown flashes of offensive brilliance. Knowing that other teams are assholes though and the fact that Timmins is actually a decent player means the chances of him sneaking through are low, with the only hope being that teams are too capped out and have their own prospects they want to reserve time for. Frustrating as we're only a little under $500K away from being cap compliant with him on this roster. A couple hundred thousand saved on the free agents we signed and/or the arbitrator being harsher in his decision with Sammy and we wouldn't have this situation but here we are.
Da boys started skating at Ford this week .. looks like you got line 2 right .. except Domi is at C and JT is playing LW
 
Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi JT Marner
Robertson Domi Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Reaves
Trade or waive Lafferty and find a cheaper depth option. Have Robertson in the lineup because he needs his shot or he’s going to get it elsewhere and I don’t think he’s worth trading because we won’t get much and he still has good potential if healthy. Reason for having Marner with JT is because matthews should be able to score playong with anybody and at his age JT could thrive having Marner on his wing
 
Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok
McMann-Lafferty-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Giordano-Liljegren

Once Keefe quickly realizes Domi is actually worse defensively on the wing than at C, Domi will shift to 3C:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies/Jarnkrok-Tavares-Marner
Jarnkrok/Knies-Domi-Lafferty
McMann-Kampf-Reaves
 
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Knies-Matthews-marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Domi-Lafferty
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

*Jarnkrok cap casualty

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Giordano-Klingberg

Samsonov
Woll
 
Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi JT Marner
Robertson Domi Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Reaves
Trade or waive Lafferty and find a cheaper depth option. Have Robertson in the lineup because he needs his shot or he’s going to get it elsewhere and I don’t think he’s worth trading because we won’t get much and he still has good potential if healthy. Reason for having Marner with JT is because matthews should be able to score playong with anybody and at his age JT could thrive having Marner on his wing


I like your top 3 lines.

Lafferty has good speed, throws hits, and isn't scared to drop the gloves. He can also play centre of needed. I'd like to keep him if possible, especially for playoffs.
 
Da boys started skating at Ford this week .. looks like you got line 2 right .. except Domi is at C and JT is playing LW
You'd imagine they're all in town if MM is back from honeymoon.

JT-Domi-MM.

That's all local boys, we're gonna need some throwback to the 60's style nickname for it if it sticks.

Subway Line? (Line 2.. Bloor-Danforth line.. right?)
 
FORWARDS
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - Kampf - Järnkrok
Lafferty - Holmberg - Reaves

OR

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Domi - Järnkrok
Lafferty - Kampf - Reaves

DEFENSEMEN
Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe - Brodie
Giordano - Klingberg

OR

Rielly - Liljegren
Brodie - Klingberg
Giordano - McCabe

GOALTENDERS
Samsonov
Woll
 
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Bertuzzi Matthews Marner
Tavares Domi Nylander
Knies Kampf Jarnkrok
...
They need at least one man with grit on each of the first two lines and Tavares is done as a center.

Rielly Lily
McCabe Klingberg
Gio Brodie
Brodie is done and Klingberg is needed on one of the top pairs to make that first pass.
 
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Bertuzzi Matthews Marner
Tavares Domi Nylander
Knies Kampf Jarnkrok
...
They need at least one man with grit on each of the first two lines and Tavares is done as a center.

Rielly Lily
McCabe Klingberg
Gio Brodie
Brodie is done and Klingberg is needed on one of the top pairs to make that first pass.
Tavares, Domi and Nylander coukd be a defensive nightmare.

But, that’s the issue when they don’t have many defensive mined forwards.
 
Do you have a link to this?
I was at Ford to take my daughters girl for figure skating class .. there are 6 or 7 rinks at that facility .. when i was waiting for da hour session to end i went down to marlie and leaf practice pads to have a look to see if anyone was skating

How many players were there for there to be options?
da day i was there i saw maybe 15-25 guys skating
 
You'd imagine they're all in town if MM is back from honeymoon.

JT-Domi-MM.

That's all local boys, we're gonna need some throwback to the 60's style nickname for it if it sticks.

Subway Line? (Line 2.. Bloor-Danforth line.. right?)
Hard to tell yet as Matty was not there .. i imagine he will wait til last day possible to get maximum tax benefit of being in US vs Canada
 
I was at Ford to take my daughters girl for figure skating class .. there are 6 or 7 rinks at that facility .. when i was waiting for da hour session to end i went down to marlie and leaf practice pads to have a look to see if anyone was skating


da day i was there i saw maybe 15-25 guys skating
Do you happen to remember the other lines?
 
Just 4 pads at Ford isn't it? Pad 3 for the Marlies and 4 the Leafs. I was out there around playoff time, they pulled the curtain on 4 and had security at the door, top secret stuff at playoff time lol..
 
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