New Line combos and roster thread

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Preparing for a few games without Matthews? We start with a back to back so the goalies both get in early.

Keefe has really put the lineup through a blender this preseason, and they were still unbeaten.

Amadio making the team on the 4th line should be interesting to watch. maybe swapping Lilly and Dermott on the back to back?


Yea, I could see a lot of moving around in the bottom pairing Ds to see who gels between the 3.

No joke, Spezza and Simmonds could both be the best two players Amadio has ever played with so far in the NHL coming from an offensively dysfunctional Kings team and a brief stint with the Sens. Clifford and Moore are probably the two best players previous.
 
So that I understand...
You have Marner, who averages over 17 EV minutes a game last year paired with Spezza who had an average of less than 9?
Even if you brought Marners ice time down to Nylanders (just over 14 minutes due to his own short shifting), you need to keep spezza on for 60% more than he has been playing.
Pretty sure this dog wont hunt

Remember that time the Blues broke up Oates and Hull? No? Because it would be ludicrous.

The takes with Marner/Matthews are pretty bad around here.
 
So that I understand...
You have Marner, who averages over 17 EV minutes a game last year paired with Spezza who had an average of less than 9?
Even if you brought Marners ice time down to Nylanders (just over 14 minutes due to his own short shifting), you need to keep spezza on for 60% more than he has been playing.
Pretty sure this dog wont hunt
Again, we also wouldn't want Simmonds playing 17 minutes ES a game. Marner would fill in on first line duties periodically during the game to get his ES TOI back up closer to last year.

Does Mitch necessarily need 17 minutes ES time if he's playing PP1 and PK? Could that third line not be effective?

At the moment I think that our bottom 6 lacks identity.
 
Remember that time the Blues broke up Oates and Hull? No? Because it would be ludicrous.

The takes with Marner/Matthews are pretty bad around here.
I really dont feel strongly one way or another how they assemble the lines with respect to M&M but ice time is a logistical problem that require optimization based on motor.
It just seems to me that reducing the EV minutes of one of the very best 5x5 point producers in the league and dramatically increasing minutes for the 8th oldest player in the league is not a great way to solve this problem.
 
Again, we also wouldn't want Simmonds playing 17 minutes ES a game. Marner would fill in on first line duties periodically during the game to get his ES TOI back up closer to last year.

Does Mitch necessarily need 17 minutes ES time if he's playing PP1 and PK? Could that third line not be effective?

At the moment I think that our bottom 6 lacks identity.
He is better at 5x5 than both the PP and the PK.
If a Mitch Marner 3rd line is viable, it wouldnt have Spezza on it.
 


Preparing for a few games without Matthews? We start with a back to back so the goalies both get in early.

Keefe has really put the lineup through a blender this preseason, and they were still unbeaten.


It interesting seeing inside Keefe's mind as to what he is thinking and planning without Matthews.

He could have kept the Tavares line in tact with Nylander, but it appears JT is moving up to centre Marner and Ritchie instead, and Kerfoot is taking JT spot on his line via this lineup you posted.
 
It interesting seeing inside Keefe's mind as to what he is thinking and planning without Matthews.

He could have kept the Tavares line in tact with Nylander, but it appears JT is moving up to centre Marner and Ritchie instead, and Kerfoot is taking JT spot on his line via this lineup you posted.
I find it interesting as well. May point to his preferential line combinations. IF JT and MM rip it up, it could give him a justification for a more permanent reunion.
 
I hope putting JT with Marner sticks. I would rather see Matthews with Nylander. Both lines have shown above average if not elite chemistry in the past.

I like it.

I also think that when Matthews comes back we need to split up the FAB4 across 2 PP units.

Matthews-Nylander-Bunting-Simmonds-Sandin

Tavares-Marner-Ritchie-Spezza-Reilly
 
I find it interesting as well. May point to his preferential line combinations. IF JT and MM rip it up, it could give him a justification for a more permanent reunion.
In a way I hope this works. Seems like it would spread the scoring around. With how the bottom 6 is shaping up, it might be smart to go back to 2 -#1 lines where the opposition can't key on one line and it creates mismatches on most lines.
 
He is better at 5x5 than both the PP and the PK.
If a Mitch Marner 3rd line is viable, it wouldnt have Spezza on it.
I don't see what your first point has to do with the price of tea in China. The fact of the matter is that he IS getting those special team minutes.

Spezza was top 5 in the league last year in P/60 and G/60. I'm not asking for additional minutes out of him, I'm just giving him way better line mates in Marner and Kase.

Simmonds would still play 9 or 10 minutes a night, but he will be playing it with Matthews- where not only is he most effective but can also provide protection. Marner will make up the rest of the time on the first line.

This is what I'm proposing. Splitting Marner's minutes.

Bunting - Matthews - Simmonds/Marner

Kase - Spezza - Marner
 
In a way I hope this works. Seems like it would spread the scoring around. With how the bottom 6 is shaping up, it might be smart to go back to 2 -#1 lines where the opposition can't key on one line and it creates mismatches on most lines.
I'll parent this idea if it works. If it doesn't, I gonna blame Keefe:sarcasm:
 
In a way I hope this works. Seems like it would spread the scoring around. With how the bottom 6 is shaping up, it might be smart to go back to 2 -#1 lines where the opposition can't key on one line and it creates mismatches on most lines.

Remember when Matthews comes back it bumps Kerfoot down. That 3rd line can become very good with players like Kerfoot-Kampf-Kase on it. Dont forget when Micheyev comes back the depth gets even better.

Either way I think our bottom six will be better this season, and if we keep the wealth spread out on the top 2 lines it will become of benefit to our overall team play.
 
I don't see what your first point has to do with the price of tea in China. The fact of the matter is that he IS getting those special team minutes.

Spezza was top 5 in the league last year in P/60 and G/60. I'm not asking for additional minutes out of him, I'm just giving him way better line mates in Marner and Kase.

Simmonds would still play 9 or 10 minutes a night, but he will be playing it with Matthews- where not only is he most effective but can also provide protection. Marner will make up the rest of the time on the first line.

This is what I'm proposing. Splitting Marner's minutes.

Bunting - Matthews - Simmonds/Marner

Kase - Spezza - Marner
What isnt there to understand?
You deploy to optimize lines. Reducing the 5x5 minutes of one of the best 5x5 producers in the league and increasing minutes to a player who is unable to play top minutes due to age is dumb.
 
Either way I think our bottom six will be better this season, and if we keep the wealth spread out on the top 2 lines it will become of benefit to our overall team play.

Agree. Ritchie, Bunting, Kase and Kamf, Amadio. That’s a big turnover. We lose Hyman but upgrade in age, health and effectiveness on Thornton Galchenyuk Foligno
 
I find it interesting as well. May point to his preferential line combinations. IF JT and MM rip it up, it could give him a justification for a more permanent reunion.

Many thought it might be Matthews and Nylander this year, and Marner reunited with Tavares after last years playoff struggles and results.

If infact Marner and JT click with Ritchie and get off to a hot start, we might very well see Matthews inserted for Kerfoot with Nylander and Bunting.

The team results and player performances without AM might very well determine lines going forward.
 
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Agree. Ritchie, Bunting, Kase and Kamf, Amadio. That’s a big turnover. We lose Hyman but upgrade in age, health and effectiveness on Thornton Galchenyuk Foligno

Based on what we have seen in pre-season, and I know its only pre-season. This team is much better at the expense of Hyman. I really like what all the new players you mentioned have brought to this team. Health will be critical but I really like it.

Sucks that Micheyev is out for a bit, but I also really like what Engvall has brought so far this season. He has something to prove. He can play if given the opportunity.
 
What isnt there to understand?
You deploy to optimize lines. Reducing the 5x5 minutes of one of the best 5x5 producers in the league and increasing minutes to a player who is unable to play top minutes due to age is dumb.
Please. Go back and actually read my last post. I suggested neither of those two things. In fact, I've been stressing that point throughout our discussion.
 
Please. Go back and actually read my last post. I suggested neither of those two things. In fact, I've been stressing that point throughout our discussion.
I read the thread. You propose to deal with it by patching Marner in as a utility elsewhere. That is a hell of a strategy to add minutes. As I explained, reducing Marner to Nylanders EV minutes lowers his EV playtime by around 18.5%. At those levels, Spezza still couldnt handle the workload. To make it work, we are talking about a line that runs 12 minutes at most which represents an over 35% increase in Spezza's work load (huge) and a 31% reduction in Marners EV workload (also huge). By your preseciption, Marner can sub in for an extra shift every 3rd complete rotation to make up the minutes? If not, how?
 
im amazed when peoples opinions of a player changes or becomes enforced because of 2 playoffs games but ignore the 110 regular season games.
they should trade him now while he still has trade value. In a year from now when hes a 3.5 mil dollar 20 to 30 point player the leafs are going to need to give up assets to get him off the books.

as for the "no one is better" well i would say that whatever player X you get in return would be a lateral move because Kerfoot is horrendous 5 on 5 and accomplishes nothing.

I’m sorry but this is just a really bad opinion. Kerfoot is not a bad 5 on 5 player at all. The problem is he hasn’t played typically with good shooters here and he’s a heavily playmaking leaning forward. He’s good defensively, he’s chippy, and he penalty kills. He provides plenty of value. Also after his July 1st bonus pays out next year, he will only be owed 750k in real dollars. There is without question someone who will give up a pretty good asset for him next summer
 
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Remember that time the Blues broke up Oates and Hull? No? Because it would be ludicrous.

The takes with Marner/Matthews are pretty bad around here.

some of them sure, but I don’t think there’s anything ridiculous about suggesting nylander/Matthews and Tavares/marner could work better for the team. I can see both positions
 
"overpaid" Kerfoot 5v5 last 3 years:

Goals/60: 0.56
Points/60: 1.59

New "great deal" 8 million dollar man Suzuki 5v5 last 3 years:

Goals/60: 0.56
Points/60: 1.58


o_O
 
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some of them sure, but I don’t think there’s anything ridiculous about suggesting nylander/Matthews and Tavares/marner could work better for the team. I can see both positions

There's an argument to be made for sure, its just that the evidence swings hard towards the existing pairings. Basing things on the playoffs isnt great either with Tavares being completely knocked out last year, Matthews playing hurt and the tough to take for some people realization that Matthews/Marner were actually one of the strongest duos in the playoffs outside of PDO numbers.
 
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Preparing for a few games without Matthews? We start with a back to back so the goalies both get in early.

Keefe has really put the lineup through a blender this preseason, and they were still unbeaten.

Amadio making the team on the 4th line should be interesting to watch. maybe swapping Lilly and Dermott on the back to back?


I like that lineup while Matthews is out. Good to see Liljegren getting a shot (assuming nothing changes).
 

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