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hobarth said:
Where did you get this from?

The only time I'd ever heard anything about Matthews thoughts on Hyman was back when Babs was coaching and Hy was getting a high percentage of his goals when the opposition had no goalie at the end of games. Hy was all bull in a China Shop, lots of effort but little skill, he would forecheck the opposition and win many battles but wasn't able to do positive things with the puck. AM requested that Hy be taken off of his line.

I thought Hy should've been a 3rd liner like he was last year with Mickhey and Eng , he never looked more impressive, he was that line's driver, he wasn't playing against the opposition's best which freed him to be one of the better players on the ice. A superior 3rd liner, nothing wrong with that, Marleau was worth $6 mil. to Lou and the Leafs.

Hy was having many injury issues, last year AM and MM were able to put up very impressive numbers with 42 year old Thornton on their line while Hy was rehabbing, Thornton wasn't of any assistance to them and I've always felt Hy wasn't essential to AM and MM either. He was a place holder until someone better became available.
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Im sure matthews loved hymans signature move “wrap around into goalies pads”
 
Phion Keneuf said:
Not sure if I prefer Kerfoot over Brooks + 2.775 mil of cap space.

Kerfoot is better than Brooks, but I’m not sure how much. It’ll allow us to carry extra guys - which I think is more valuable
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I posted a similar thought on the Trade thread, although I didn't propose any actual return for Kerfoot.

If you run the line-up through Cap Friendly with and without Kerfoot you see that we can have a 23-man roster without him and accrue space for in-season and TDL pickups if we move AK.

It's worth considering for sure.
 
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I have no problem with Kerfoot. He hustles, seems like a good team guy, not afraid to get hit. But his cap hit combined with the fact the Leafs now have a few players that do what he does makes him somewhat redundant and therefore expendable.

The only concern with him gone is the lack of depth if they get into injury problems in their top six, more so down the middle, which seems almost a certainty over a full season.
 
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Mikheyev-Nylander-Kase
Ritchie-Tavares-Simmons
Kerfoot-Matthews-Spezza
Bunting-Kampf-Marner
Engvall

Muzzin-Liljegren
Rielly-Brodie
Dermott/Sandin-Holl

Mrazek
Campbell

Or some combination of ...

I doubt we see any real changes from previous season, other than the new guys replacing the departures.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Mikheyev-Nylander-Kase
Ritchie-Tavares-Simmons
Kerfoot-Matthews-Spezza
Bunting-Kampf-Marner
Engvall

Muzzin-Liljegren
Rielly-Brodie
Dermott/Sandin-Holl

Mrazek
Campbell

Or some combination of ...

I doubt we see any real changes from previous season, other than the new guys replacing the departures.
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Matthews on the third line would go over well.
 
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Kerfoots not going anywhere this season, unless his salary is needed to make a significant upgrade at some point, even then he’s too invaluable. If Kerfoots traded you’re one injury away from having Brooks/Engvall/Kampf playing top 6. personally I want to see them spread the wealth on the top 9, and build a shut down line with Soup Kampf Engvall 4th line be damned.
Ritchie Matthews Marner
Bunting Tavares Kase
Spezz kerfoot Nylander
Mik Kampf Engvall
Mix and match when spezz needs a blow, or if guys need to get going. Any of the guys on the 4th can step up in the line up and the whole left side is interchangeable. Kase has proven to be able to produce top 6 when healthy and I don’t think JT needs anything flashy to be productive so Kase and bunting just getting to work in the O zone with Johnny’s hands should make a good line. Kerfoot and Willy were awesome in the playoffs and have proven Chem. Being able to use them to expose the bottom of other teams line ups is appealing to me.
 
A lot of people seem to have Kampf as the third line centre. Shouldn't we be concerned about having a 3C who had one goal for the entire previous season and has overall fairly anemic offensive numbers for his career? I know that he brings a lot defensively but there is a difference between someone bringing some offence and virtually none. His previous seasons don't look quite so bad, perhaps last year was just a bad season for him offensively.

I fully admit to not being as familiar with him as our other acquisitions like Kase and Ritchie - I may be missing something.

On Mikheyev, I would be okay with trying him out in the top 6 because I feel like he has shown good skill and instinct at times but just has had no ability to finish. Ideally this wouldn't be an issue, but we're going to need someone to step up and he's a candidate. My real hope is that Kase stays healthy and gets back to where he was, which would make him a top 6 guy.
 
Marmoset said:
A lot of people seem to have Kampf as the third line centre. Shouldn't we be concerned about having a 3C who had one goal for the entire previous season and has overall fairly anemic offensive numbers for his career? I know that he brings a lot defensively but there is a difference between someone bringing some offence and virtually none. His previous seasons don't look quite so bad, perhaps last year was just a bad season for him offensively.

I fully admit to not being as familiar with him as our other acquisitions like Kase and Ritchie - I may be missing something.

On Mikheyev, I would be okay with trying him out in the top 6 because I feel like he has shown good skill and instinct at times but just has had no ability to finish. Ideally this wouldn't be an issue, but we're going to need someone to step up and he's a candidate. My real hope is that Kase stays healthy and gets back to where he was, which would make him a top 6 guy.
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I think the idea with Kampf is that they want to try and build the concept of a true shutdown line, and accept that if anyone is going to centre it, it's going to have to be David Kampf; similar to the role they tried to build for Riley Nash at the end of the season. Yes, you're going to want more than 1 goal and 11 assists, even out of a true shutdown centre. I think management looks at him at 26 years old, with wingers like Kase (who is certainly a top-6 winger when healthy), and maybe Mikheyev (who's shown flashes of legitimate top 6 production) as a guy that could put up 10-15 goals and around 30-35 points.

While Kerfoot's production is undoubtedly better, he somewhat falls victim at being good at many things, but great at none. The Leafs will keep him around because they can, and know that if they lose a top 6 to injury, he's basically the only guy that can step into that role.

Plus, let's say that's your 3rd line... it means the 4th line is likely going to have Simmonds, Kerfoot & Spezza on it.... that's a lot better than the vast majority of 4th lines out there.
 
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if I was Keefe this year i'd be trying 1 of 2 things:

- Keep last years top lines but switch Matthews and Tavares interchangeably from period to period
- Using Kerfoot and Nylander as a pure scoring line
 
ULF_55 said:
Mikheyev-Nylander-Kase
Ritchie-Tavares-Simmons
Kerfoot-Matthews-Spezza
Bunting-Kampf-Marner
Engvall

Muzzin-Liljegren
Rielly-Brodie
Dermott/Sandin-Holl

Mrazek
Campbell

Or some combination of ...

I doubt we see any real changes from previous season, other than the new guys replacing the departures.
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aweful
 
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Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Spezza - Simmonds

Brooks rotating in with Spezza and Simmonds. Ideally we’d see a 4th line of Mikheyev - Brooks - Spezza but I doubt they scratch Simmonds unfortunately.
 
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Marmoset said:
A lot of people seem to have Kampf as the third line centre. Shouldn't we be concerned about having a 3C who had one goal for the entire previous season and has overall fairly anemic offensive numbers for his career? I know that he brings a lot defensively but there is a difference between someone bringing some offence and virtually none. His previous seasons don't look quite so bad, perhaps last year was just a bad season for him offensively.

I fully admit to not being as familiar with him as our other acquisitions like Kase and Ritchie - I may be missing something.

On Mikheyev, I would be okay with trying him out in the top 6 because I feel like he has shown good skill and instinct at times but just has had no ability to finish. Ideally this wouldn't be an issue, but we're going to need someone to step up and he's a candidate. My real hope is that Kase stays healthy and gets back to where he was, which would make him a top 6 guy.
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With this upcoming dirt season sire, kämph will also be scesoring some for us, and even if him as a human being one deep solo won't score but like... 7 goals. It doesn't matter sire. His neighbours, meaning his wingas will score like 38 goals combined. + his 7 goals meaning 45 gezoals for us sire. So that's aaight, not great, but aaaaight and tight. The defensive force will be the one we will be winning gezames sire. Hard. Kämph gives us that. His faceoffs skills are not tavares elite, but aaaight too. I is not concerned bout kämph's 7 goals this season milord. His wingers will scisore 40 goals beside that there. And we ain't even need goals anymore. We already have the super millionare talent up front sire. They finna score-a-lot records. For life.
 
Phion Keneuf said:
Not sure if I prefer Kerfoot over Brooks + 2.775 mil of cap space.

Kerfoot is better than Brooks, but I’m not sure how much. It’ll allow us to carry extra guys - which I think is more valuable
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What am I missing about the value of carrying extra guys? Since you can only dress 20 players, what is the value of extra bodies in the press box? Would it not provide more value to the organization to have them developing their skills playing with the Marlies? In case of injury replacement, they are only a taxi ride away. Surely people are not suggesting these players go into suspended animation for fear of the waiver wire. I thought the value of having an AHL team right next door was so you could run with a smaller roster and save cap space. Obviously I am missing something?
 
rimshot said:
What am I missing about the value of carrying extra guys? Since you can only dress 20 players, what is the value of extra bodies in the press box? Would it not provide more value to the organization to have them developing their skills playing with the Marlies? In case of injury replacement, they are only a taxi ride away. Surely people are not suggesting these players go into suspended animation for fear of the waiver wire. I thought the value of having an AHL team right next door was so you could run with a smaller roster and save cap space. Obviously I am missing something?
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I don't think you're missing anything.
 
Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Brooks - Simmonds
Spezza

Top 6 player goes down? Bunting moves up. Spezza and Simmonds rotate depending on the need.

Kampf is absolutely the key to this seasons success..
 
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