Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

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It would be pretty tough to break in two rookies next year anyway, at least at the same time. Luke probably gets the first crack at it, then Nemec if he shows a lot over the course of the season. I guess it depends on who we bring in on D too.
It will be interesting to see what we do next year. Keep Severson somehow? I very highly doubt it u less he takes an insane discount. Same with Graves. Eventually Nemec Hughes will be cemented in the roster but until,they are , I have no idea what they do. Was signing Smith for two years an indication of what they expect from Luke’s or Nemec’s development or was a seperate reason ?
I just can’t see retaining both Severson and Graves. At the same time , we cannot expect to use Luke and Nemec and or Bahl , Okhotiuk , Mukhamadoulin . Too much I inexperience . I guess we get a one year stop -gap? I have no idea. Eventually we will have a very good ”problem” . Too many NHL caliber D .
Hamilton
Marino
Seigenthaler
Hughes
Nemec
Casey
Mukhamadoulin
Bahl
Okhotiuk

Plus other guys that “could” make it . Barabosha , Musil , ???
 

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Casey seems to be flying under the radar here with Luke and Nemec grabbing Devils fans' attention.

He'll be one hell of a pleasant surprise when(not if) he eventually makes it to the NHL.

People seem to ignore how Casey’s family are Devils fans, after people always complained that we don’t draft prospects who want to be in NJ.

That helps because he’ll need a couple years in the NCAA to get stronger, I don’t want him rushed just to lock him up in a contract.
 
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It will be interesting to see what we do next year. Keep Severson somehow? I very highly doubt it u less he takes an insane discount. Same with Graves. Eventually Nemec Hughes will be cemented in the roster but until,they are , I have no idea what they do. Was signing Smith for two years an indication of what they expect from Luke’s or Nemec’s development or was a seperate reason ?
I just can’t see retaining both Severson and Graves. At the same time , we cannot expect to use Luke and Nemec and or Bahl , Okhotiuk , Mukhamadoulin . Too much I inexperience . I guess we get a one year stop -gap? I have no idea
I was anti-Graves but he seems to have upped his game this year. I’d let him walk if he really wants to get paid, he isn’t a core guy. But at a Siegenthaler price (maybe for less term/a little more AAV), I guess that’s fine. Severson is gone, I’ve already accepted that.
 

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I was anti-Graves but he seems to have upped his game this year. I’d let him walk if he really wants to get paid, he isn’t a core guy. But at a Siegenthaler price (maybe for less term/a little more AAV), I guess that’s fine. Severson is gone, I’ve already accepted that.

The Graves/Marino pair plays very tough minutes, and Graves also PKs a ton, he’s definitely a tough player to replace.

Like everyone else I’m fine with replacing him in theory, but some people are handwaving how easy it would be to just stick Hughes there or whatever. Hughes has to get used to playing on the left side too, he’s not immediately getting put on a shutdown pair.
 

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The Graves/Marino pair plays very tough minutes, and Graves also PKs a ton, he’s definitely a tough player to replace.

Like everyone else I’m fine with replacing him in theory, but some people are handwaving how easy it would be to just stick Hughes there or whatever. Hughes has to get used to playing on the left side too, he’s not immediately getting put on a shutdown pair.
I’m looking at the free agent dmen this year, and it isn’t pretty (not that we really want to go that route anyway). One name that could be interesting is Gudas. You’d think he’d be space junk by now throwing 300 hits a year, but he’s still good.

He could be a “babysitter” for Hughes on a third pair and we try to have Bahl step in for Graves (if we are moving on from him). They likely wouldn’t get the heavy usage Graves-Marino is getting now though.

Whether we bring in a RHD is somewhat relevant to Nemec so I’ll keep this post in this thread.
 

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It wouldn't be the worst thing to keep Nemec' rookie contract sliding for the first year. If the team keeps playing well, all the complimentary pieces like Haula, Sharangovich, Zetterlund, McLeod, etc are going to want raises. Also Bahl/Okhotyuk are waiver-eligible next year.
 

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I don't expect to see Nemec with the big club next season.

I think it's most likely he plays another full year in the AHL, and then hits the ice for the Devils at the start of the 2024-25 season.
 
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I’m looking at the free agent dmen this year, and it isn’t pretty (not that we really want to go that route anyway). One name that could be interesting is Gudas. You’d think he’d be space junk by now throwing 300 hits a year, but he’s still good.

He could be a “babysitter” for Hughes on a third pair and we try to have Bahl step in for Graves (if we are moving on from him). They likely wouldn’t get the heavy usage Graves-Marino is getting now though.

Whether we bring in a RHD is somewhat relevant to Nemec so I’ll keep this post in this thread.
I don’t know if Gudas has the speed but maybe.

I’m cool with the whatever the team’s plan is, I’m not bothering to come up with suggestions.

The defensive core insta-rebuild has been amazing, I’m gonna let them keep do their magic there.

Even Kulikov and Murray were excellent one year additions, Fitz’s record with defensive additions is off the charts at this point.
 

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they need to fix utica w more support - a successful team playing the same style we do up here is important for development

Ehh, not really.

Guys play in different organizations all the time before coming into the NHL. Most top draft picks never even play for their organizations' AHL club. Most guys play in the CHL or in college or in Europe before coming to the NHL, and those teams will almost always play a different style of game than the NHL club that player proceeds to go to.
 

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Ehh, not really.

Guys play in different organizations all the time before coming into the NHL. Most top draft picks never even play for their organizations' AHL club. Most guys play in the CHL or in college or in Europe before coming to the NHL, and those teams will almost always play a different style of game than the NHL club that player proceeds to go to.

You develop players in the AHL too and successful teams typically have strong minor league development.

Not sure why the idea of the organization trying to improve this way always gets such weird pushback.

 

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You develop players in the AHL too and successful teams typically have strong minor league development.

Not sure why the idea of the organization trying to improve this way always gets such weird pushback.


Not saying development in the AHL isn't important. I'm saying that just because the team has been losing, it doesn't mean that's going to negatively affect Nemec's development.
 

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Not saying development in the AHL isn't important. I'm saying that just because the team has been losing, it doesn't mean that's going to negatively affect Nemec's development.
In fact, reading Nemec’s take on his role this year, he is actively being used in a way to promote development at the expense of current performance.

A winning AHL team probably has more to do with having AHL stars on the roster as opposed to future NHL contributors.
 
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Not saying development in the AHL isn't important. I'm saying that just because the team has been losing, it doesn't mean that's going to negatively affect Nemec's development.

A big complaint about the AHL team is their failure to add a playdriving, scoring center.

We could have even used one of our 6 open contracts spots on that.

The team is offensively anemic. It’s not the end of the world but they could have easily done a better job of addressing it. It was an obvious need in the preseason.

I’d like to see Adirondack to not be a trash fire too, Corson and Parent were good additions but I’d like to see more than a couple additions made like that in an off-season.

There are teams that do a better job with this and we can too. With the parent club being more successful more FAs might become more interested in signing with our minor teams.
 

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It will be interesting to see what we do next year. Keep Severson somehow? I very highly doubt it u less he takes an insane discount. Same with Graves. Eventually Nemec Hughes will be cemented in the roster but until,they are , I have no idea what they do. Was signing Smith for two years an indication of what they expect from Luke’s or Nemec’s development or was a seperate reason ?
I just can’t see retaining both Severson and Graves. At the same time , we cannot expect to use Luke and Nemec and or Bahl , Okhotiuk , Mukhamadoulin . Too much I inexperience . I guess we get a one year stop -gap? I have no idea. Eventually we will have a very good ”problem” . Too many NHL caliber D .
Hamilton
Marino
Seigenthaler
Hughes
Nemec
Casey
Mukhamadoulin
Bahl
Okhotiuk

Plus other guys that “could” make it . Barabosha , Musil , ???

This is a reason to get Bahl into the lineup more consistently - he has had strong on-ice results and him getting experience now where we can shelter him on the 3rd pair would make moving on from Graves easier.
 
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Nemec is 18 and won't turn 19 until mid-February.
Holtz was 19 last season and turned 20 in late January.
The 2 were basically 1 year apart in age when they began their careers.

Nemec is playing pro even one year earlier. Kids his age are still in high school. It would not be any kind of surprise if Simon is back in Utica when next year starts. Holtz was a top rookie last season doing what most rookies had never done. We are not hearing the same hype about Nemec that was flying around Holtz. Hockey people can see the flashes of what foretells brilliance, but it's just that----FLASHES.

Holtz showed some flaws, but that shot and his offensive zone passing was on display nightly and didn't just flash once in awhile. It was all game long. It's easier to get by on RW with some flaws while breaking into the NHL. Not so much on D. D mistakes much more often result in goals against.

Nemec is +6 on a team in which there are very few players who have not been on the ice for inordinate number of goals. Nemec leads the D with 19 goals against when he is on the ice, Russo follows with 18, and Wotherspoon with 17. They are also the main D penalty killers. The PK goals don't count in +/-.

Up front Thompson and Pinho lead the forwards with 13 and their center is right there with 12. The key point with the Pinho line is most of the goals scored against these guys were even strength goals. All 3 of these guys are minuses (Pinho -1, Foote -4, and Thompson -5) meaning they have been on the ice for more goals against than they have scored. Being the supposed 1st line you would hope that's not the case. Last season Holtz was -3.

As I have already posted, this kid is something special and the future is nothing but bright. I just hope that the philosophy Brodeur has been preaching holds true. The Devils have a solid base and there is no reason to rush the new kids like they have done in the past decade. They can afford to percolate the kids in the AHL and bring them in when they are actually ready. Patience is the best path to follow with them. That hasn't held true with Holtz and Bahl. They have been on the sidelines the first 3rd of this season. If that changes as we move forward, then the Devils are saying they are ready. I hope they are correct because if they continue to be injury insurance, that's not what the philosophy says.

Nemec, and soon to be Hughes II, are the latest ones to be real careful to develop the right way. They have a superb D at the moment and these kids have time to become what everyone wants them to be. Why for the life of me they would want the current team to sit back and watch these guys go through the growing pains when it's not necessary.

Yes, Hughes will have spent 2 season in the NCAA. However, he is just 19 and won't turn 20 until September. it's the age that all the Canadian Jrs. become eligible for the AHL. The NCAA is not the development program for the NHL. Guys playing with 18-23 yr-old teammates and opponents is not like playing with or against NHL or even AHL players. When an NHL team isn't bleeding without them, the AHL is the place to start.

With Hughes just turning 20 and Nemec not doing so until February I only have one question what's the rush? You don't need to push the latest blue chippers right into the fire if the parent club isn't in serious need of them. Detroit followed the system of percolating their top prospects when the Wings were strong and it was very successful. NJ is on the cusp of that same situation. They have the time to develop their prospects the right way. It wouldn't hurt the Devils one bit to let Hughes and Nemec play together as partners for a season or at least a good part of it. Then move them to the big club where they just slip right in instead of having them go through the Zacha, Hischier, and Hughes struggles. You see what Nico and Jack have eventually become. All their critics who were brutal the first couple of seasons have moved on to the latest prospects. Might be a lot easier for Luke and Simon to avoid all that unnecessary critiquing.

Just because a fan base craves to see the new toys doesn't mean management needs to rush it. They will be there and better for everyone if they are actually ready, especially the kids themselves.

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- It's possible McCarthy will sign at the end of this NCAA season.

- Casey is in the wings and will also be incoming in another season or 2.

- Mukhamadullin is another.

The Devils could use a couple more stud prospects for their forwards. The farm isn't really nursing any studs.
The Devils have a strong defensive crop growing fast. Taking their time with all of these guys gives them exciting NHL newcomers and depth on both sides of the ice. It also gives new prospects alittle time to mellow like fine wine as well. That also means trading material that may help deliver a piece or 2 that just might be the final link in the team that wins Stanley and maybe more than one time.
 
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Do you live on line??? LOL LOL!!!!

I barely pushed "Post Reply" and your "Like' popped up.

I appreciate your support as we seem to be pretty much in line when it comes to our opinions on the farm.

Incidentally what happened to the most dedicated AHL follower, prolific poster, and NJ diehard. I forget the name but he/she followed this thread religiously. I had a lot of discussions with that poster.

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He/She alerted the NJ fan base that UticaHockey and myself were posters that would be making an appearance here and was positive about our knowledge of prospects and the AHL team in general and frequecy of posting.
 
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With Hughes just turning 20 and Nemec not doing so until February I only have one question what's the rush?
To me, there's a bit of a rush because of contract logistics. Severson and Graves are on expiring contracts, and I highly doubt either would sign 1 or 2 year deals with us, leaving us scrambling to find a decent short term filler if at least one isn't NHL ready next year.

I find it imperative to get Bahl playing time this year because of this too. We really need for him to prove himself, or at least evaluate what he's got, plus get him some experience so we don't have to potentially break in 3 rookie-ish defensemen next year. It may affect whether we re-sign Graves or not.
 

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To me, there's a bit of a rush because of contract logistics. Severson and Graves are on expiring contracts, and I highly doubt either would sign 1 or 2 year deals with us, leaving us scrambling to find a decent short term filler if at least one isn't NHL ready next year.

I find it imperative to get Bahl playing time this year because of this too. We really need for him to prove himself, or at least evaluate what he's got, plus get him some experience so we don't have to potentially break in 3 rookie-ish defensemen next year. It may affect whether we re-sign Graves or not.

If they can get Graves to come back and then insert Bahl, there are plenty of decent veteran D-men who will be eager to sign a 1-yr deal as #7 as long as the Devils continue to excel the rest of this season. They are rapidly becoming a train that others will be eager to jump on. Maybe Graves is of the same opinion for a 2-yr deal. Smith then battles it out with the new vet for 6/7.

A year later Hughes and Nemec come on board as 5/6, Smith is gone, as is the 1-yr vet. Graves, Bahl, Hughes, and Nemec fight over the bottom 3 spots and #7. A trade of Graves would also settle that fight.
 
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based on what? What both of us said is just based on our own opinion.

I don't see Nemec getting on #1 pp over Luke unless they go 2 d man.
I haven’t seen enough of Nemec, but it seems like Luke is going to really thrive in transition at 5 on 5 where Nemec might be better in the ozone with quick decision making. I’m sure both will play on the PP at some point in their careers.
 

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Nemec is 18 and won't turn 19 until mid-February.
Holtz was 19 last season and turned 20 in late January.
The 2 are basically 1 year apart in age.

Nemec is playing pro even one year earlier. Kids his age are still in high school. It would not be any kind of surprise if Simon is back in Utica when next year starts. Holtz was a top rookie last season doing what most rookies had never done. We are not hearing the same hype about Nemec that was flying around Holtz. Hockey people can see the flashes of what foretells brilliance, but it's just that----FLASHES.

Holtz showed some flaws, but that shot and his offensive zone passing was on display nightly and didn't just flash once in awhile. It was all game long. It's easier to get by on RW with some flaws while breaking into the NHL. Not so much on D. D mistakes much more often result in goals against.

Nemec is +6 on a team in which there are very few players who have not been on the ice for inordinate number of goals. Nemec leads the D with 19 goals against when he is on the ice, Russo follows with 18, and Wotherspoon with 17. They are also the main D penalty killers. The PK goals don't count in +/-.

Up front Thompson and Pinho lead the forwards with 13 and their center is right there with 12. The key point with the Pinho line is most of the goals scored against these guys were even strength goals. All 3 of these guys are minuses (Pinho -1, Foote -4, and Thompson -5) meaning they have been on the ice for more goals against than they have scored. Being the supposed 1st line you would hope that's not the case. Last season Holtz was -3.

As I have already posted, this kid is something special and the future is nothing but bright. I just hope that the philosophy Brodeur has been preaching holds true. The Devils have a solid base and there is no reason to rush the new kids like they have done in the past decade. They can afford to percolate the kids in the AHL and bring them in when they are actually ready. Patience is the best path to follow with them. That hasn't held true with Holtz and Bahl. They have been on the sidelines the first 3rd of this season. If that changes as we move forward, then the Devils are saying they are ready. I hope they are correct because if they continue to be injury insurance, that's not what the philosophy says.

Nemec, and soon to be Hughes II, are the latest ones to be real careful to develop the right way. They have a superb D at the moment and these kids have time to become what everyone wants them to be. Why for the life of me they would want the current team to sit back and watch these guys go through the growing pains when it's not necessary.

Yes, Hughes will have spent 2 season in the NCAA. However, he is just 19 and won't turn 20 until September. it's the age that all the Canadian Jrs. become eligible for the AHL. The NCAA is not the development program for the NHL. Guys playing with 18-23 yr-old teammates and opponents is not like playing with or against NHL or even AHL players. When an NHL team isn't bleeding without them, the AHL is the place to start.

With Hughes just turning 20 and Nemec not doing so until February I only have one question what's the rush? You don't need to push the latest blue chippers right into the fire if the parent club isn't in serious need of them. Detroit followed the system of percolating their top prospects when the Wings were strong and it was very successful. NJ is on the cusp of that same situation. They have the time to develop their prospects the right way. It wouldn't hurt the Devils one bit to let Hughes and Nemec play together as partners for a season or at least a good part of it. Then move them to the big club where they just slip right in instead of having them go through the Zacha, Hischier, and Hughes struggles. You see what Nico and Jack have eventually become. All their critics who were brutal the first couple of seasons have moved on to the latest prospects. Might be a lot easier for Luke and Simon to avoid all that unnecessary critiquing.

Just because a fan base craves to see the new toys doesn't mean management needs to rush it. They will be there and better for everyone if they are actually ready, especially the kids themselves.

P.S.
- It's possible McCarthy will sign at the end of this NCAA season.

- Casey is in the wings and will also be incoming in another season or 2.

- Mukhamadullin is another.

The Devils could use a couple more stud prospects for their forwards. The farm isn't really nursing any studs.
The Devils have a strong defensive crop growing fast. Taking their time with all of these guys gives them exciting NHL newcomers and depth on both sides of the ice. It also gives new prospects alittle time to mellow like fine wine as well. That also means trading material that may help deliver a piece or 2 that just might be the final link in the team that wins Stanley and maybe more than one time.
I will come back and read the rest of this post at some point, promise, but that first part made my head hurt they way you laid it out.

In mid February, Nemac and Holtz will turn 19 and 21 respectively. With Holtz going first, he's a little over 2 years older...

Again, impossible to agree or disagree because I didn't read past that, but I will, just wanted that out of the way first.

Edit: OK, I read it all and agree and would like to say, the little mix up you had at the start only supports your opinion more.
 

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Do you live on line??? LOL LOL!!!!

I barely pushed "Post Reply" and your "Like' popped up.

I appreciate your support as we seem to be pretty much in line when it comes to our opinions on the farm.

Incidentally what happened to the most dedicated AHL follower, prolific poster, and NJ diehard. I forget the name but he/she followed this thread religiously. I had a lot of discussions with that poster.

PS
He/She alerted the NJ fan base that UticaHockey and myself were posters that would be making an appearance here and was positive about our knowledge of prospects and the AHL team in general and frequecy of posting.

If you mean Tao Jones, not sure but they haven’t been on since July 6.
 
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