Post-Game Talk: New goalie, new year, same suckiness

[pulkit1989]

We need a coach who emphasizes on structure and holds players accountable. I’ve always felt that under Ruff since day 1 that our team, doesn’t matter who the players, play like chickens without heads.
We need a coach who rely on structure like deboer, gallant, darryl sutter etc

 

[Devils731]

More than one thing can be true…thing is most people agree the system sucks and the coach needs to go. The arguments start when people use the system as a crutch for why every goalie sucks and tries to absolve them of responsibility for giving up shitty goals because BUT THE SYSTEM

It doesn’t absolve goalies from giving up bad goals.

I believe the idea is the bad system makes goalies underperform. They can’t trust the defenders. The shooters get wide open looks too often. Coverage is poor. All of that wears on the goalie.

So far we’ve seen every goalie perform poorly with Ruff in charge. We’ve seen goalies underperform prior numbers and goalies leave and perform better on other teams after.

At some point (I’ve been there) you have to think the system is untenable. I’ve diagramed why it’s bad. Jack Han reviewed every teams system and thought it was bad. The on-ice results are bad.

I do think the goalies can play better but I think we are likely to see goalies to continue to look like they can play better as long as this system is in place.

 

[Oneiro]

I think no one, save for maybe Bratt, has really lived up to their potential here. Yes I include Hughes in that all the way to older guys like Wood and Severson whose careers are giant what ifs. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s some top down dysfunction that will only become clear once the dust settles, team is sold, new regime or something along those lines happens.

But this is disappointing and it is self owns in your own zone on top of the shoddy net minding. I think they want to play with speed to the point where carelessness is built in - that’s fine if you’re out scoring the other guys. But hoping for mean reversion has to be weighed against your actual results.

 

[Unknown Caller]

We need a coach who emphasizes on structure and holds players accountable. I’ve always felt that under Ruff since day 1 that our team, doesn’t matter who the players, play like chickens without heads.
We need a coach who rely on structure like deboer, gallant, darryl sutter etc

Be careful what you wish for. “Holding players accountable” means sitting Jack down when he turns the puck over at the blueline or gets stripped trying to split the defense with no support.

Take a deep breath. It’s going to be fine. We don’t need to stifle the talent we have, this will turn.

Look at what Barzal turned into with “structure” and “accountability”.

 

[BostonDevil]

Tarasenko still an option?

 

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[Whaddagoal]

I feel bad for Lindy honestly. The booing of Lindy and Blackwood from the intros forward is bush league from our fanbase. I’m not a fan of how things have played out so far, but do they really think that’s making things better?

I didnt like that booing on the intros either.... I thought i even heard some from Dougie too... But it got droned out with cheers. Pretty wack way to start the vibes for the season before even game starts.

At least Dougie is producing points to start..

 

[Emperoreddy]

It doesn’t absolve goalies from giving up bad goals.

I believe the idea is the bad system makes goalies underperform. They can’t trust the defenders. The shooters get wide open looks too often. Coverage is poor. All of that wears on the goalie.

So far we’ve seen every goalie perform poorly with Ruff in charge. We’ve seen goalies underperform prior numbers and goalies leave and perform better on other teams after.

At some point (I’ve been there) you have to think the system is untenable. I’ve diagramed why it’s bad. Jack Han reviewed every teams system and thought it was bad. The on-ice results are bad.

I do think the goalies can play better but I think we are likely to see goalies to continue to look like they can play better as long as this system is in place.

Bad systems make everyoneunderperform,, which is why I am willing to give Vanecek the benefit of the doubt.

Our 7 guys last year were all scrubs though, no one should be pretending the AHL/ECHL guys we were forced to trot out there last year could succeed anywhere. And Blackwood is on that scrub list until he proves he isn't. He has lost any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[NJDevs26]

Lindy has not been awful. Show me any NHL coach who’s going to win a game with a .750 save percentage. Before you blame quality of scoring chances, the Devils roasted Detroit in xG.

Again, how many games do you think the Devils are going to win with zero points combined between Hughes, Hischier, Palat and Sharangovich?

So Lindy and the system have no agency at all toward why the offense continually underachieves it’s talent/advanced stats and why the D does have an inordinate amount of WTF moments along with every goalie playing worse the minute they put on the uniform? Or any ownership over the horrible special teams?

We’ve had bad teams but no coach besides Johnny Mac and his 33 games has been THIS bad

 

[Unknown Caller]

Tarasenko still an option?

Can he stop the puck?

 

[Devils731]

Be careful what you wish for. “Holding players accountable” means sitting Jack down when he turns the puck over at the blueline or gets stripped trying to split the defense with no support.

Take a deep breath. It’s going to be fine. We don’t need to stifle the talent we have, this will turn.

Look at what Barzal turned into with “structure” and “accountability”.

I don’t think holding guys accountable means you bench them for turnovers.

Holding guys accountable means are they making responsible reads within the system.

A guy trying to create something and failing isn’t necessarily irresponsible.

The Devils current system leads to guys being unaccountable because there is so much dependency on what the other players are doing that it’s very hard to blame a player for whatever choice they end up making. They’re having to read 2 or 3 things at every moment so there will almost always be a justifiable reason for whatever choice they made.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Once I saw Marino and Severson paired together I knew it was over. They are already getting desperate with the lines and defensive pairings.

 

[BostonDevil]

Can he stop the puck?

Might be able to put it in the net when given the chance.

I’ve gone the other way on this. No real hope for the goaltending, We’ll have a .500 record if we can score 7 goals a game. Let’s try that.

 

[Unknown Caller]

So Lindy and the system have no agency at all toward why the offense continually underachieves it’s talent/advanced stats and why the D does have an inordinate amount of WTF moments along with every goalie playing worse the minute they put on the uniform? Or any ownership over the horrible special teams?

We’ve had bad teams but no coach besides Johnny Mac and his 33 games has been THIS bad

It’s going to be awfully quiet when the Devils are 6-3 at the end of October. Clown fanbase. Always blame the coach, never the personnel.

First it was DeBoer’s fault, then it was Hynes fault, now it’s Lindy’s fault. I’m sure the next coach won’t get booed, right?

Somehow garbage DeBoer and Hynes have had plenty of success with different personnel, despite our genius fanbase’s insistence that they were the problem here.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Also on the booing. The fanbase desperately wants something to cheer for, their frustration is understandable.

The building had a ton of energy tonight and they completely crapped the bed

 

[Devils731]

Bad systems make everyoneunderperform,, which is why I am willing to give Vanecek the benefit of the doubt.

Our 7 guys last year were all scrubs though, no one should be pretending the AHL/ECHL guys we were forced to trot out there last year could succeed anywhere. And Blackwood is on that scrub list until he proves he isn't. He has lost any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Blackwood before Lindy Ruff was better better.

Wedgewood has played much better after leaving Ruff and he is a “scrub” too.

Bernier is the “success” story and he had the worst save percentage of his career other than his 4 games his rookie season.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Tarasenko still an option?

Devils current cap space = 0. Tarasenko cap hit $7.5 mil

 

[BostonDevil]

It’s going to be awfully quiet when the Devils are 6-3 at the end of October. Clown fanbase. Always blame the coach, never the personnel.

First it was DeBoer’s fault, then it was Hynes fault, now it’s Lindy’s fault. I’m sure the next coach won’t get booed, right?

Somehow garbage DeBoer and Hynes have had plenty of success with different personnel, despite our genius fanbase’s insistence that they were the problem here.

I’m going to be awfully happy if you’re right.

Not sure where the optimism is coming from but I’m pulling for you!

Devils current cap space = 0. Tarasenko cap hit $7.5 mil

I wasn’t expecting them to trade a 6th round pick for him. Something has to go back for the money to work but doubt there’s anything the Blues want and, just looked at it, he has a NTC. Not going to waive it for this team.

Carry on…

 

[NJDevs26]

LOL Lindy is not the whole problem but he sure as shit isn’t helping?

The fanbase is clownish because they’re sick and tired of the same bull crap for the better part of a decade? The only clowns are the ones in charge of this dumpster fire

 

[Eggtimer]

I feel bad for Lindy honestly. The booing of Lindy and Blackwood from the intros forward is bush league from our fanbase. I’m not a fan of how things have played out so far, but do they really think that’s making things better?

I,agree but I also understand where people are comimg from by booing.
Its been 8 out of 9 years of being a shit team. When people care about their team and have been shit for that long… I completly understand why people would boo.

 

[Unknown Caller]

LOL Lindy is not the whole problem but he sure as shit isn’t helping?

The fanbase is clownish because they’re sick and tired of the same bull crap for the better part of a decade? The only clowns are the ones in charge of this dumpster fire

The only clowns are the ones who don’t have perspective and realize that this team could have easily won the last two games. It’s two f***ing games. Minnesota is 0-2. Bruce Boudreau’s Canucks are 0-2. Toronto lost to Montreal to start the season. Just relax.

 

[guitarguyvic]

More than one thing can be true…thing is most people agree the system sucks and the coach needs to go. The arguments start when people use the system as a crutch for why every goalie sucks and tries to absolve them of responsibility for giving up shitty goals because BUT THE SYSTEM

But who is absolving them? Seriously. Who? Can anyone point to a single poster who has said any of these guys are good? Maybe one or two, if that? I think it’s nearly unanimous here that our goalies are somewhere between bad to maybe average.

The problem with focusing so much on the goaltending at the expense of calling out how awful the skaters are in front of them is that it assumes an average goalie will make a big difference. Are we supposed to believe that none of these nine or ten guys or however many it’s been now, none of them can carry on an average performance for even a small period time ever?

Vanacek is very clearly an average goalie coming in here. Now we are expected to believe that either a) he’s the ninth goalie in a row to play for us who is actually bad, or b) he just so happened to have an expected bad game in his very first appearance with said team, in the home opener against a (likely) non-playoff team playing their second game in two nights?

Come on man. This shit doesn’t pass the smell test just by the f***ing law of averages. Much less if you actually watch the shit show that is our skaters out there.

What’s happening here is that a bunch of bad to average goaltenders are trying to cover up for a gong show in front of them. The results are predictable. No “average” goalie is going to make any big difference.

 

[MadDevil]

I understand why people would boo. It doesn't change my opinion that it's childish and doesn't accomplish anything.

 

[NJDevs26]

I,agree but I also understand where people are comimg from by booing.
Its been 8 out of 9 years of being a shit team. When people care about their team and have been shit for that long… I completly understand why people would boo.

Plus they just served up a shitburger on Thursday, it’s not like this was the first game of the season or the first week of their tenure

 

[Unknown Caller]

I,agree but I also understand where people are comimg from by booing.
Its been 8 out of 9 years of being a shit team. When people care about their team and have been shit for that long… I completly understand why people would boo.

Agreed, I’m as frustrated as anyone. Not supporting your team and creating an adversarial environment before the puck even drops at home is beyond moronic.