Speculation: New coach options?

[nobody imp0rtant]

So many good things associated with Tuesdays...

Why can't getting a good coach be one of them?

 

[snowkiddin]

Montreal doesn't need to though. They can develop for 2 more years and sign him without giving up any assets in 2024.

The Rangers were in a similar spot but they still gave us Pionk and a 1st for Trouba.

 

[kylbaz]

Anyone else still hoping trotz changes his mind and we get shocked

 

[kanadalainen]

Anyone else still hoping trotz changes his mind and we get shocked

Of course! I am a hopeless optimist.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The Rangers were in a similar spot but they still gave us Pionk and a 1st for Trouba.

People lost their minds on that one

 

[Guffman]

I think we find out end of this week or early next week.

Hoping for Montgomery, expecting someone else though. I wouldn't mind seeing how Vincent does to be completely honest. He's young and at the very least I'm pretty sure he will actually play our prospects.

Pascal Vincent is 50 years old. That’s young to you?

 

[DRW204]

Pascal Vincent is 50 years old. That’s young to you?

I remember when Deboer was trashed in favor of Vincent b/c Vincent is supposedly a young up and comer. Theres a whopping 3 year age diff.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell isn't anything special as a skater either so not sure why you bring that up. Perfetti isn't as developed physically as of yet but Lundell was seen as more NHL ready then most at the draft anyways.

Anyhow we are years out from knowing the answer to this. I don't see how not even three years after you can hold it on the org drafting a player that was expected by many to go top 5 in the draft.

As for positional need there are a number of successful teams with small number 1C's.. Tampa won b2b cups with Point as their 1C. Aho does quite well in Carolina. I have no doubt that Perfetti can grow into an impact center if that is the way the org chooses to go.

Not saying that Perfetti can't or won't make it at C, but I don't share your conviction that he will. He might. Lundell will. More NHL ready at the time is an important aspect. Makes him a more certain prospect. Could be because he is simply better. Lundell may be nothing special as a skater, but skating is not a weakness either. Optimistically you could say that Perfetti therefore has more potential for improvement. But is it probable?

Yes, we are years from knowing the answer. But with the situations with Scheifele and Dubois, I sure wish we had another top 6 C, not a maybe one. I can't imagine the org not wanting him to grow into an impact C. If it doesn't happen it will be because he can't.

I said, I don't want to make too much of the size issue. I prefer C with size, but it is not a must have.

You need to let go of some having predicted him to go in the top 5. He didn't. He went 10th.

 

[rehf]

Pascal Vincent is 50 years old. That’s young to you?

For a head coach, I think it's young - no?

Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't looked at the average age of an NHL head coach.

 

[NA Hockey]

Not saying that Perfetti can't or won't make it at C, but I don't share your conviction that he will. He might. Lundell will. More NHL ready at the time is an important aspect. Makes him a more certain prospect. Could be because he is simply better. Lundell may be nothing special as a skater, but skating is not a weakness either. Optimistically you could say that Perfetti therefore has more potential for improvement. But is it probable?

Yes, we are years from knowing the answer. But with the situations with Scheifele and Dubois, I sure wish we had another top 6 C, not a maybe one. I can't imagine the org not wanting him to grow into an impact C. If it doesn't happen it will be because he can't.

I said, I don't want to make too much of the size issue. I prefer C with size, but it is not a must have.

You need to let go of some having predicted him to go in the top 5. He didn't. He went 10th.

Lundell didn't go top 10 he went 12 because his skating is definitely average to below average (like I said above, he turns like a cruise ship), and his upside is not great. Cole's skating is better than Lundell's. Top speed is similar, 1st three steps similar but edges and small space skating goes to Cole.

Lundell will be a 3rd line centre for sure, anything more than 3rd line is a might.

Lundell was bigger, more NHL ready yet he went 12th because his upside wasn't seen as high as those chosen ahead of him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell turns like a cruise ship and his skating is why he was ranked in the high teens for the 2020 draft. He was always seen as more NHL ready than most but with less skill, and he proved why by playing a steady 3rd line centre role on a very good team that scored a lot of goals. Perfetti would have easily had .5 ++ ppg this year if he didn't get hurt. I think no doubt over their careers, Perfetti out produces Lundell by a significant margin. Now, Lundell is a for sure a centre and Perfetti may or may not be, but that doesn't change who is better over a career.

Also, I guess the NYR Rangers, LA Kings, Ottawa Sens, Anaheim Ducks, NJ Devils, Buffalo Sabres, Minnesota and Nashville all should have taken Lundell, not just the Jets as Lundell had a better season than those teams picks in the 2020 draft. The thing is all those drafted ahead of Lundell were drafted for their potential for their career, not for what they would do their rookie year.

My issue is with our need for a C. If Lundell doesn't develop into a top 6 C then I am simply wrong. We will see what happens over their careers.

 

[DRW204]

For a head coach, I think it's young - no?

Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't looked at the average age of an NHL head coach.

Average age is 53.5 of current NHL head coaches. Youngest being 41 oldest is 67. 22 coaches of the 29 current ones are 50+.

 

[surixon]

Not saying that Perfetti can't or won't make it at C, but I don't share your conviction that he will. He might. Lundell will. More NHL ready at the time is an important aspect. Makes him a more certain prospect. Could be because he is simply better. Lundell may be nothing special as a skater, but skating is not a weakness either. Optimistically you could say that Perfetti therefore has more potential for improvement. But is it probable?

Yes, we are years from knowing the answer. But with the situations with Scheifele and Dubois, I sure wish we had another top 6 C, not a maybe one. I can't imagine the org not wanting him to grow into an impact C. If it doesn't happen it will be because he can't.

I said, I don't want to make too much of the size issue. I prefer C with size, but it is not a must have.

You need to let go of some having predicted him to go in the top 5. He didn't. He went 10th.

Lundell's skating is worse then Cole's unless your just looking at top speed. Cole has much better agility and his top speed and stride continues to improve.

I don't agree that being more physically mature makes one better, we've seen how players like Mark thrive once maturing and I'd imagine the same will be said for Cole. You'd think we would have learned by now that prospects pglhysically mature at different rates.

That is fine he went 10th and we shall see if he's better long term or not.

I think Cole showed in the AHL he could thrive as a C and Chevy refers to him as a C. My guess is they develop him as a C given our situation. But we will just have to wait and see.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Here's a summary.

-He "enjoyed the snow and the rain"
-In March his son accepted into the University of Miami
-Bill Zito called him to ask if he was interested into coaching the Panthers
-Had one interview and was hired 3 days later
-He said he stepped down because "he needed to"
-Says Winnipeg was "special"
-Things turned for him mentally when they played Calgary in the bubble.
-He felt he was "losing his effectiveness" and couldn't "move the needle"
-Had discussions about it with True North last summer
-It was effecting him personally
-"I know they [the Jets] were getting a new coach" for 2022-23
-"They have lots of great pieces in Winnipeg"
-"They need a new voice"
-"You've got an exciting hockey team with high end skill who will be energized"
-"It's a good thing for the Winnipeg Jets"
-He was asked about the comments made by the players at the end of the season, he said "I can't answer that"
-He did not watch any Jets games after he quit
-He left because of his frustration about his "inability to move the team"
-"The discord that was reported was not a part of my experience"
-"The meetings we do at the end of the season are "incredibly raw"
-"I don't believe at all that some of the concerns are as significant as you think"

-Compares the Jets to the Tampa Bay Lightning:

"Take a look at the Tampa Bay Lightning, they went to the Stanley Cup Final and they had a great team and they also missed the playoffs right in them building a back to back sta- you know three times to the Finals, two Stanley Cups. I look at the Winnipeg Jets as far more close to what Tampa Bay went through then everyone saying Oh there's something wrong. There's nothing wrong they had a tough year."

-Takes responsibility for not making the playoffs.
-"They've got a hell of a team"
-"Things are really good in Winnipeg"
-"Any one of the names that have been bandied about [for head coach] will do a hell of a job there"
-"Come November all you guys are gonna be happy"
-Jets have "unbelievable ownership" "a very very bright management group" "everythings gonna be fine"
-Being coach of the Jets was "a wonderful part of my life"

Says some interesting things. I wish I could believe him.

1st overall for a player with a career high of 61pts. C'mon.

Hmmmm ........ What's Nick Suzuki's career high in points? 61? Only 61?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If it's about money, sure. If it's about playing in Montreal, as has been the rumour for awhile, then that won't matter

Its always about money.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Waiting for one of Julien, Tippett or Vigneault to be introduced Friday as head coach.

Waiting for one of Julien, Tippett or Vigneault to announce that they have turned down an offer from Winnipeg.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Is that why we see 1st overalls being moved every year?

When was the last time a 1st OA was moved? Or even a 2nd for that matter?

Both were moved in '99 between Van and Atlanta so that Van could take both Sedins. That's the only one that comes to my mind.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell didn't go top 10 he went 12 because his skating is definitely average to below average (like I said above, he turns like a cruise ship), and his upside is not great. Cole's skating is better than Lundell's. Top speed is similar, 1st three steps similar but edges and small space skating goes to Cole.

Lundell will be a 3rd line centre for sure, anything more than 3rd line is a might.

Lundell was bigger, more NHL ready yet he went 12th because his upside wasn't seen as high as those chosen ahead of him.

You could be right. We'll see.

 

[ps241]

People lost their minds on that one

Turned out fine in the end. I like Trouba but not at his cap hit.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell's skating is worse then Cole's unless your just looking at top speed. Cole has much better agility and his top speed and stride continues to improve.

I don't agree that being more physically mature makes one better, we've seen how players like Mark thrive once maturing and I'd imagine the same will be said for Cole. You'd think we would have learned by now that prospects pglhysically mature at different rates.

That is fine he went 10th and we shall see if he's better long term or not.

I think Cole showed in the AHL he could thrive as a C and Chevy refers to him as a C. My guess is they develop him as a C given our situation. But we will just have to wait and see.

I very much hope to be proven wrong here. I really want to see Cole succeed as a top 6 C. I think our need at that position has rather suddenly become extreme.

 

[cbcwpg]

When was the last time a 1st OA was moved? Or even a 2nd for that matter?

Both were moved in '99 between Van and Atlanta so that Van could take both Sedins. That's the only one that comes to my mind.

In 2003 Pittsburgh traded to the Panthers Mikael Samuelsson, a second-rounder and their spot at #3 overall for the right to draft Fleury at #1.

Florida picked Nathan Horton #3 and Stefan Meyer #55.

I believe that's the last time the #1 pick was traded before being picked. And Florida probably would have been better off taking Fleury themselves.

 

[Guardian17]

Says some interesting things. I wish I could believe him.

It was a typical Maurice interview.

He said all the things the Winnipeg Market would like to hear.

It was all icing and no cake.

 

[gojetsgo]

friedman on the jeff marek show
-doesn't know if we expanded our search but we at least made contact with brunette

 

[scelaton]

I'm confused...is this the speculation of new HC thread, or just general speculation thread?

Asking for a friend.

Just speculating but seems you can say pretty much whatever the hell you want here.

It's Tuesday

Who's our coach ??

You

It's hard to focus on the topic at hand while grieving the loss of Trotz's and the general misery of this off-season.

As therapy, I suggest someone start a poll of the best potential coach from among the HF posters.
Criteria include experience (>4 years or 4000 posts), respect by peers(4000+ likes or likes >posts), a good understanding of analytics, clear systems thinking, strength of character and an ability to withstand criticism without alienating the room.

I'll nominate surixon to get things started.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It was a typical Maurice interview.

He said all the things the Winnipeg Market would like to hear.

It was all icing and no cake.

He's the Coach Who Cried Wolf, to me. Some of what he's saying must be true, but he's bullshitted so much that I won't even try to separate the wheat from the chaff. It all goes into the garbage bin. Time spent listening to Maurice is time wasted.