Speculation: New coach options?

[WolfHouse]

Lundell's skating is worse then Cole's unless your just looking at top speed. Cole has much better agility and his top speed and stride continues to improve.

I don't agree that being more physically mature makes one better, we've seen how players like Mark thrive once maturing and I'd imagine the same will be said for Cole. You'd think we would have learned by now that prospects pglhysically mature at different rates.

That is fine he went 10th and we shall see if he's better long term or not.

I think Cole showed in the AHL he could thrive as a C and Chevy refers to him as a C. My guess is they develop him as a C given our situation. But we will just have to wait and see.

I think we are splitting hairs here in terms of skating ability.

Bottom line is that Lundell has now produced for a full season as a 3C and has stepped into the top 6 role when needed and looked good. He was on pace for a 20+ goal season playing 15 mins.

Perfetti has not played C in the NHL and has looked good but has not put up legit points in the NHL

Until that changes who cares who skates better.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It's hard to focus on the topic at hand while grieving the loss of Trotz's and the general misery of this off-season.

As therapy, I suggest someone start a poll of the best potential coach from among the HF posters.
Criteria include experience (>4 years or 4000 posts), respect by peers(4000+ likes or likes >posts), a good understanding of analytics, clear systems thinking, strength of character and an ability to withstand criticism without alienating the room.

I'll nominate surixon to get things started.

I'll just step up here and say I will happily volunteer to tank the team, if that's the direction people feel is best. Of course, I will need complete control of the roster as per Trotz. And I will also want the LBJ beer for life offer.

 

[cbcwpg]

Chevy after his last conversation with Trotz....

Chevy today....

 

[surixon]

I think we are splitting hairs here in terms of skating ability.

Bottom line is that Lundell has now produced for a full season as a 3C and has stepped into the top 6 role when needed and looked good. He was on pace for a 20+ goal season playing 15 mins.

Perfetti has not played C in the NHL and has looked good but has not put up legit points in the NHL

Until that changes who cares who skates better.

I didn't bring up skating. It was brought up as a knock on Cole when compared to Lundell so I provided my opinion on that specific attribute.

Cole produced at second line rates when on our second line. So just like Lundell he produced when in the top 6. He did that while being responsible defensively.

Anyhow this question is going in circles. We will see in a few years.

 

[Guffman]

For a head coach, I think it's young - no?

Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't looked at the average age of an NHL head coach.

For a first time NHL head coach, I think 50 is kinda old.

 

[DRW204]

I think we are splitting hairs here in terms of skating ability.

Bottom line is that Lundell has now produced for a full season as a 3C and has stepped into the top 6 role when needed and looked good. He was on pace for a 20+ goal season playing 15 mins.

Perfetti has not played C in the NHL and has looked good but has not put up legit points in the NHL

Until that changes who cares who skates better.

Evidently they were viewed close as prospects separated by 2 spots (with a goalie in between) In the draft. Who skates better or not, it's just one attribute that makes up a player albeit it's important, but you can excel in other areas that mitigate that weakness or being average at that specific trait. For someone who supposedly can't skate Lundell seems to have done fine this year. Just as everyone thinks perfetti will making leaping improvements, why can't the same be for Lundell?

They'll likely Ying and yang on who has better seasons through their career. And I don't think we should be making any confounding conclusions who the better player will be off 1 year, when they have 10-15 years left of their nhl career.

However, Lundell has been for sure gotten off to a better start 44 pts in 65 gp (sans big pp time), while actually Playing C and doesn't look like alot of time with either Barkov or huberdeau. Perfetti didn't look out of place riding coattails with pld and Connor either, but I think you could plug anyone there with those two and they'd look fine. We had a PTO player in Svech there and there really wasn't a bit difference in the line's production. but boy is he becoming one of the most overrated 7 pts in 18 gp I've ever seen. People were saying he's better than Scheifele in one of the threads, along with being point or aho. Perhaps in playstyle, but in production I highly doubt it.

There'll also need to be a big trade involving scheifele or pld this off season, or a shift in this orgs philosophy of a bottom 6 for him to be centering a line for significant TOI. I think he will be a top 6 wing to start this year. Maybe fill in as a C if injuries.

 

[Guffman]

I always find it comical when posters crap on someone the Jets drafted by pointing out that there were one or two really good players drafted after him, but conveniently ignoring the multitude of rubbish that flamed out.

Like WHY couldn’t the Jets use hindsight to cherry pick the rare gem that was drafted several picks later? Stoopid Jets!

 

[kylbaz]

There's a lot of negativity around the Jets with recent news, the sky is falling. But this team is one coach away from making a deep run. This window has atleast two more years. They just need proper coaching and a system. Said it before and I'll say it again, on paper this was one of the better Jets teams we ever had.

 

[DRW204]

For a first time NHL head coach, I think 50 is kinda old.

Yeah from what I tallied up. Average age of when the current coaches got their first nhl HC gig (interim or full) was 44 years old. Youngest 28 oldest 57 (Maurice and Lambert). Think we should stop referring to Vincent as young, he's inexperienced when it comes to nhl HC.

 

[roccerfeller]

friedman on the jeff marek show
-doesn't know if we expanded our search but we at least made contact with brunette

Just adding - He also apparently said Detroit is in on Lalonde and friedge, and Boston in on Quinn and Montgomery

 

[surixon]

So there is some competition for Montgomery it seems.

Hopefully we get some clarification over the next few days.

 

[Hunter368]

There's a lot of negativity around the Jets with recent news, the sky is falling. But this team is one coach away from making a deep run. This window has atleast two more years. They just need proper coaching and a system. Said it before and I'll say it again, on paper this was one of the better Jets teams we ever had.

Personally I don't see a ton of negative news, what I see is some people taking it as negative news. I see it as opportunities for change & improvement. Most humans hate change typically, I love change.

 

[DRW204]

wtf weekes

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

wtf weekes

Who are 14 people who have never been in my kitchen, Alex?

 

[Royale With Cheese]

wtf weekes

Enrico Blasi sounds like an Italian opera singer. Let's get that guy.

 

[Andy6]

Enrico Blasi sounds like an Italian opera singer. Let's get that guy.

He coached at Miami of Ohio for two decades. Maybe he could double up as anthem singer to save some $$$.

 

[leer2006]

wtf weekes

Got to love the throw it all at the wall and see what sticks type posts.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

In 2003 Pittsburgh traded to the Panthers Mikael Samuelsson, a second-rounder and their spot at #3 overall for the right to draft Fleury at #1.

Florida picked Nathan Horton #3 and Stefan Meyer #55.

I believe that's the last time the #1 pick was traded before being picked. And Florida probably would have been better off taking Fleury themselves.

Or making better use of #3.
They could have had Thomas Vanek, Ryan Suter, Jeff Carter or Ryan Getzlaf among others.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It's hard to focus on the topic at hand while grieving the loss of Trotz's and the general misery of this off-season.

As therapy, I suggest someone start a poll of the best potential coach from among the HF posters.
Criteria include experience (>4 years or 4000 posts), respect by peers(4000+ likes or likes >posts), a good understanding of analytics, clear systems thinking, strength of character and an ability to withstand criticism without alienating the room.

I'll nominate surixon to get things started.

I could second that, but I will throw out Whilee's name instead.

But maybe I should nominate Sipowicz to straighten out the room and institute real accountability. I'm torn.

After a little thought, I'm going with Sip.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I always find it comical when posters crap on someone the Jets drafted by pointing out that there were one or two really good players drafted after him, but conveniently ignoring the multitude of rubbish that flamed out.

Like WHY couldn’t the Jets use hindsight to cherry pick the rare gem that was drafted several picks later? Stoopid Jets!

I'm still saying the same guys I was in favour of at the time. There was no flame out rubbish between CP and AL. There was 1 goalie.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There's a lot of negativity around the Jets with recent news, the sky is falling. But this team is one coach away from making a deep run. This window has atleast two more years. They just need proper coaching and a system. Said it before and I'll say it again, on paper this was one of the better Jets teams we ever had.

Definitely some good players, but I don't think we had, or have, the D corps to contend, even with Helle in god mode.

I think we have been kidding ourselves about a window of contention. That ended in '19.

I hope a new coach comes in and proves me wrong. I don't expect it though.

 

[Packofwolves]

I could second that, but I will throw out Whilee's name instead.

But maybe I should nominate Sipowicz to straighten out the room and institute real accountability. I'm torn.

After a little thought, I'm going with Sip.

Perfect. Lets go for Sip

 

[Jets 31]

 

[Ggg99]

Chevy after his last conversation with Trotz....

Chevy today....

And Trotz….

 

[Mooche]

Another Tuesday has come and gone, my friends.