Speculation: New coach options?

[raideralex99]

Flames are in first place and have the best record in the NHL from January ... main reason why is coaching.
Sutter made Sean Monahan a healthy scratch last game ... he was a minus 2 in the lost to the Sharks the previous game.
That's how you send a message to the players.

 

[cbcwpg]

Sutter is friends with no one on that team. And that's how it should be.

You can have respect between coach and player, you can have discussion between coach and player, the coach can be open to what the players think, etc. but the coach needs to be the boss and seen as the boss by the players.

There are players on the Jets that are too comfortable.

 

[ecolad]

So what are your thoughts on Morrissey this year, I seem to recall you thinking he was more of a complimentary piece last year.

What type pf role do you envision for him going forward.

I personally am happy with how he's got his game back and the added layers he's added to it. I still think ideally he is your number 2 dmen but he's done well carrying the defense this year. Its the other dmen outside of DeMelo who have let the team down imo. Well that and the bad defensive schemes employed.

Assume this was meant for me

I don't recall saying he was more of a complementary piece but I did believe that he needed to play with a partner equally or even more skilled than he was. In other words, that he wasn't able to carry a poorer partner. I`m still not fully satisfied that this has changed, but there is no question he is playing much better this year. I think many of his shortcomings last year were due to mental lapses (subsequently explained by the death of his father).

Like that he is getting some of the physical side back in his game and like that he seems to be building on his defensive traits by playing a larger role on the offensive side of things, including the PP. He appears to be gaining more confidence on this but it's hard to judge how well he can do given the systemic problems.

Thank goodness we have him as a foundation piece for our defence.

 

[DRW204]

sutter is a nerd

Sutter talks about importance of data, analytics in Flames’ process - TSN.ca

Calgary Flames head coach Darryl Sutter spoke with TSN's Salim Valji about how he uses data and analytics, its value to players, and the important things that can’t yet be measured.

www.tsn.ca

 

[10Ducky10]

Julien as HC with Muller and Housley as assistants.

 

[TheRC]

You flatter Randy C...

Wasn't Housefly a flat bust when he coached the Isles/ whoever?

I'd really rather see a complete reboot of the org from hockey ops down through the entire coaching staff, and a smart, innovative new-gen coach brought in, but I suspect we see a soft re-tread and little change in the room unless forced.

Phil Housley was the D coach and pp guy for Nashville for a few years ending with the President's trophy and a second round exit in the playoffs to the Jets. He was highly regarded as an up and comer and was given the HC position in Buffalo for two years. God awful team. God awful franchise.

Yes there are ties to the original franchise but I see him as a potential candidate with new blood ideas in a guy with years of assistant experience. Could help the power-play. I would also hope he would have good insight to bring in an appropriate D coach not named Huddy.

 

[tbcwpg]

Phil Housley was the D coach and pp guy for Nashville for a few years ending with the President's trophy and a second round exit in the playoffs to the Jets. He was highly regarded as an up and comer and was given the HC position in Buffalo for two years. God awful team. God awful franchise.

Yes there are ties to the original franchise but I see him as a potential candidate with new blood ideas in a guy with years of assistant experience. Could help the power-play. I would also hope he would have good insight to bring in an appropriate D coach not named Huddy.

The PP is 13th. Is improving the power play really a huge factor in who the next coach is?

 

[TheRC]

The PP is 13th. Is improving the power play really a huge factor in who the next coach is?

The power-play is only one of many factors that make me consider PH as HC. He has years of assistant experience. A bit of HC experience that I'm sure he has been mulling (ie - not a re-run stuck in his way kind of guy). He was highly sought after in the year he was given Buffalo.

He was an agressive offensive defenceman in an era before puck moving was as important as is today - really a bit of a trailblazer there. Likely a good judge of who to hire as D coach

So PP; no not a huge factor but also, yes 13th best can definitely be improved upon. Why not shoot for #1?

 

[tbcwpg]

The power-play is only one of many factors that make me consider PH as HC. He has years of assistant experience. A bit of HC experience that I'm sure he has been mulling (ie - not a re-run stuck in his way kind of guy). He was highly sought after in the year he was given Buffalo.

He was an agressive offensive defenceman in an era before puck moving was as important as is today - really a bit of a trailblazer there. Likely a good judge of who to hire as D coach

So PP; no not a huge factor but also, yes 13th best can definitely be improved upon. Why not shoot for #1?

I'm fine with a 13th ranked PP if there's improved defensive zone play and better line combinations but from what I saw of Housley thus far I don't think he'd be a huge improvement in those areas.

 

[surixon]

I'm fine with a 13th ranked PP if there's improved defensive zone play and better line combinations but from what I saw of Housley thus far I don't think he'd be a huge improvement in those areas.

I think if he wants to be a head coach he should take an AHL head coaching gig for a few years. His first forray was awful.

 

[None]

I think if he wants to be a head coach he should take an AHL head coaching gig for a few years. His first forray was awful.

Wasn't his issue in Buffalo that he was micromanaging everything à la Adam Oates in Washington who literally tried to force Ovechkin into changing his curve and flex?

I'd probably steer very clear of that kind of coach unless they show they've abandoned that mindset at a lower level like the AHL as you said.

 

[Orrrules]

I'm on the Claude Julien bandwagon, proven winner, a Torts-lite if you will. Not a great shelf life but can get things headed in the right direction and takes no crap from the players.

 

[surixon]

Wasn't his issue in Buffalo that he was micromanaging everything à la Adam Oates in Washington who literally tried to force Ovechkin into changing his curve and flex?

I'd probably steer very clear of that kind of coach unless they show they've abandoned that mindset at a lower level like the AHL as you said.

I don't remember how he coached. I just know his results were horrible and they had some good players. Wasn't that also when O'Reilly had his mini meltdown at the end of the year?

I'd also stay clear, some people just aren't meant to be the ones in command.

 

[RabidOne]

I’d take a midget local league coach at this stage

Like St.Louis?

 

[RabidOne]

I would be completely fine with Vincent. I think he is a very bright hockey mind, very detail oriented and can articulate in a detailed way what he wants players to do on the ice. He also from what I've seen and heard from him is able to pick apart a players game (knows what he's good at and where he can improve)

He also has a very good report with all the young guys like Perfetti, Heinola, Samberg, Conner, Appelton.

He also showed he could work creativity and get good execution into Maurice's schemes with the Moose. So even if Chevy wants to keep a similar style, Vincent has shown he can innovate within that system. Granted I think he would come up with something much better on his own and should have full reigns on his staff on schemes if he is brought in.

As long as he gets to bring in a whole new staff.

 

[surixon]

As long as he gets to bring in a whole new staff.

That should be afforded to whichever coach we bring in. They get to interview and choose who they want to work with.

 

[None]

I don't remember how he coached. I just know his results were horrible and they had some good players. Wasn't that also when O'Reilly had his mini meltdown at the end of the year?

I'd also stay clear, some people just aren't meant to be the ones in command.

No idea what his contract looks like but I wouldn't mind if the Jets took a look at Housley as an assistant to replace Huddy or even Kompon. If he needs a positional upgrade to get out of his current contract with Arizona you'd probably just name him as associate coach rather than assistant

And I just checked to confirm, Housley was the coach for one more season after O'Reilly said he'd lost his love for hockey playing for Buffalo.

 

[FonRiesen]

Yes. In that case, I would have been mistaken. I was also skeptical when they hired Sutter.

Who expected the turnaround they got? I'll bet even Treliving didn't.

Is there another Sutter out there?

Haha - yeah, I think there are a few Sutter boys around, but I don't think the others are in the same echelon when it comes to coaching...

(I know, that's not quite what you meant)

 

[jgimp]

I vote for this guy!

 

[WaveRaven]

I've been on the Julien train for a while now.

But I'd still wait if Trotz is let go I would be all in on that.

 

[Zippity]

You flatter Randy C...

Wasn't Housefly a flat bust when he coached the Isles/ whoever?

I'd really rather see a complete reboot of the org from hockey ops down through the entire coaching staff, and a smart, innovative new-gen coach brought in, but I suspect we see a soft re-tread and little change in the room unless forced.

Lack of season ticket renewals might expedite matters. Everyone I talk to are either thinking and/or dropping tickets next year.
Soft re tread has been happening for years with the true North loyalty program. Interim coach is one example.

 

[Zippity]

As long as he gets to bring in a whole new staff.

Would never happen here

 

[Zippity]

Jets could save some money here

James Patrick – Head Coach – Winnipeg Ice

winnipegice.ca

 

[WolfHouse]

I vote for this guy!
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Hey if Huddy can coach by zoom, Buff can coach by cel phone from his fishing boat...

 

[Jets 31]

One thing about it Claude would have hated the dive that the Columbus dude did on Morrissey last game.