Speculation: New coach options?

[Big Carl]

We could kill two birds with one stone; hire Mike Keenan as our GM and HC.

 

[BoneDocUK]

We could kill two birds with one stone; hire Mike Keenan as our GM and HC.

Over my dead Milbury.

 

[GrassyKnoll]

Bear in mind that there are far more knowledgeable hockey fans here than myself (I don't post here often for that reason), but here's a theory:

Based on the notion of "fake left, go right", is there a slight possibility that Wheeler and Scheifele, while publicly praising Paul Maurice in the past, have been (though, if true, they'll never admit it) deliberately dogging it for the last 2 or 3 seasons to help get him canned, and now, subsequently, get Dave Lowry (and Huddy, etc) the ol' pink slip, for being a continuation of PoMo's failed coaching strategies? I find it difficult to believe they're really that blind to the fact that Maurice/Lowry/etc. (and the systems they employed) were/are ill-suited to move this team forward. I mean, Scheifele and Wheeler seem to be the two biggest underachievers on the team, i.e. we all know they've proved in the past that they are capable of contributing much more, and have been underperforming for some time now (or have they?) Again, an admittedly far-fetched theory (again, what the H do i know?) but hey, stranger things have happened. (yeah, yeah, I know, it's a conspiracy theory! My username is no accident!) Thoughts?

 

[BoneDocUK]

Bear in mind that there are far more knowledgeable hockey fans here than myself (I don't post here often for that reason), but here's a theory:

Based on the notion of "fake left, go right", is there a slight possibility that Wheeler and Scheifele, while publicly praising Paul Maurice in the past, have been (though, if true, they'll never admit it) deliberately dogging it for the last 2 or 3 seasons to help get him canned, and now, subsequently, get Dave Lowry (and Huddy, etc) the ol' pink slip, for being a continuation of PoMo's failed coaching strategies? I find it difficult to believe they're really that blind to the fact that Maurice/Lowry/etc. (and the systems they employed) were/are ill-suited to move this team forward. I mean, Scheifele and Wheeler seem to be the two biggest underachievers on the team, i.e. we all know they've proved in the past that they are capable of contributing much more, and have been underperforming for some time now (or have they?) Again, an admittedly far-fetched theory (again, what the H do i know?) but hey, stranger things have happened. (yeah, yeah, I know, it's a conspiracy theory! My username is no accident!) Thoughts?

Well... In support of your theory, in Scheifele and Wheeler, we have two shooters...

It's an interesting idea, but I doubt it.. Wheeler loved the guy. Scheifele, maybe not so much, especially after that benching, but they must know that no other coach will gift them the keys to the car and the credit card to pay for it like Maurice did -- unless it's on the explicit instructions of management, I guess.

I expect that someday we will hear Wheeler talk a bit more about the trauma of the Maurice resignation, but I doubt they or anyone was plotting from within. His systems, tactics and evenman-management has begun to fail him, the team was losing hard and clearly was disgruntled and apathetic, and eventually so was he. I'm not sure that a coach who had the rope he did and who was making that much coin gets to jump ship when the going gets really tough without a succession plan in place, but I don't cut his cheques.

 

[surixon]

Well... In support of your theory, in Scheifele and Wheeler, we have two shooters...

It's an interesting idea, but I doubt it.. Wheeler loved the guy. Scheifele, maybe not so much, especially after that benching, but they must know that no other coach will gift them the keys to the car and the credit card to pay for it like Maurice did -- unless it's on the explicit instructions of management, I guess.

I expect that someday we will hear Wheeler talk a bit more about the trauma of the Maurice resignation, but I doubt they or anyone was plotting from within. His systems and man-management has begun to fail him, the team was losing hard and clearly was disgruntled and apathetic, and eventually so was he. I'm not sure that a coach who had the rope he did and who was making that much coin gets to jump ship when the going gets really tough without a succession plan in place, but I don't cut his cheques.

Yeah I think Blake probably feels betrayed if anything from the resignation. He was asked about it again recently and he was about to say something and then bit his tongue and said something like maybe now isn't a good time.

I don't think Mark was that enamored with him as a coach.

 

[cbcwpg]

Still waiting for the Jets to announce Huddy as the new head coach this summer.

 

[Al Camino]

Still waiting for the Jets to announce Huddy as the new head coach this summer.

Well he has collected an NHL paycheck for 42 years.....

This is equal parts funny and terrifying and not completely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Al Camino]

I'm on the Claude Julien bandwagon, proven winner, a Torts-lite if you will. Not a great shelf life but can get things headed in the right direction and takes no crap from the players.

I can get behind this.

Maurice had one too. Only problem was the owner and GM didn't realize it was 4 years ago.

 

[WolfHouse]

Well... In support of your theory, in Scheifele and Wheeler, we have two shooters...

It's an interesting idea, but I doubt it.. Wheeler loved the guy. Scheifele, maybe not so much, especially after that benching, but they must know that no other coach will gift them the keys to the car and the credit card to pay for it like Maurice did -- unless it's on the explicit instructions of management, I guess.

I expect that someday we will hear Wheeler talk a bit more about the trauma of the Maurice resignation, but I doubt they or anyone was plotting from within. His systems, tactics and evenman-management has begun to fail him, the team was losing hard and clearly was disgruntled and apathetic, and eventually so was he. I'm not sure that a coach who had the rope he did and who was making that much coin gets to jump ship when the going gets really tough without a succession plan in place, but I don't cut his cheques.

This outlines everything wrong with Maurice's approach - or maybe right in terms of job security - he was buddies with Wheeler - as a result, intentionally or not, there are different standards held for different players.

Not sure what Lowry's excuse is though...

 

[roccerfeller]

If we make the playoffs, does Lowry get a second go around?


Looking at our play we have been brutal but are currently one of the hottest teams in the league record-wise (in the month of march)

 

[Jetsfan79]

Elliott Friedman said something interesting in the latest 32 thoughts podcast.

Apparently it's not 100 percent certain Boudreau will be back with the Canucks next year. Something about a clause in his contract leaving the possibility of an exit at season's end. Friedman was very surprised in hearing this possibility.

If he does leave, Jets should be all over this.

 

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

I'd like Barry Trotz or Bruce Boudreau for the experience. John Stevens as the hard ass coach. Or maybe Ted Nolan (he has won the Jack Adam's award before).

 

[Jetsfan79]

I'd like Barry Trotz or Bruce Boudreau for the experience. John Stevens as the hard ass coach. Or maybe Ted Nolan (he has won the Jack Adam's award before).

Barry Trotz would be a great option but my sense is he gets another chance to turn things around in NY next season

 

[Romang67]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Trotz originally moved out East because his kid was undergoing treatment for an unusual disease?

 

[cbcwpg]

How Islanders coach Barry Trotz became an NHL mastermind

The Islanders’ head coach has established himself as one of hockey’s masterminds throughout his career.

nypost.com

 

[Big Carl]

Elliott Friedman said something interesting in the latest 32 thoughts podcast.

Apparently it's not 100 percent certain Boudreau will be back with the Canucks next year. Something about a clause in his contract leaving the possibility of an exit at season's end. Friedman was very surprised in hearing this possibility.

If he does leave, Jets should be all over this.

Yeah no, I would like to see us 'win' games in the post-season.

Boudreau imo is a better coach for a team in the latter-half of a rebuild. Able to get a team back to being contenders.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Yeah no, I would like to see us 'win' games in the post-season.

Boudreau imo is a better coach for a team in the latter-half of a rebuild. Able to get a team back to being contenders.

This may seem oversimplistic , but I think all we need is a coach that will substantially improve the Jets in limiting high danger scoring opportunities against. There's no guarentee a inexperienced coach can do this. We need a coach with a track record in this area.

If that can be achieved, I think Helle and our fire powered offense can propell us in the playoffs. Does anyone know how Boudreau ranks in that department?

 

[GNP]

Maybe Manitoba native Butch Goring should be given an interview ? He didn't do very well in his brief stint as head Coach in Boston tho. Preferably I'd be looking at a young coach with a winning record in the AHL, or Junior hockey, similar to what the Leafs did.

Another potential coach I'd like to interview would be James Patrick, with the Winnipeg Ice, where he's done a very good job, and really knows the game. He's also a Winnipeg native, and would be a good fit here. I think the Jets will be looking quite seriously at Patrick.

 

[barrywpg]

Elliott Friedman said something interesting in the latest 32 thoughts podcast.

Apparently it's not 100 percent certain Boudreau will be back with the Canucks next year. Something about a clause in his contract leaving the possibility of an exit at season's end. Friedman was very surprised in hearing this possibility.

If he does leave, Jets should be all over this.

Jets can't hire Boudreau - you've seen the pictures of him behind the Wild bench - with the high blood pressure tomato head. Trying to coach the Jets could literally kill him!

 

[cbcwpg]

Ken Wiebe:

Mistakes happen and the game happens at an incredibly high pace, which only heightens the importance of making the smart and sometimes safer play.

When it comes to defending, it’s hard to draw any other conclusion than the collective group simply not being committed enough.

Could the Jets benefit from some structural changes or tweaks to the system? Sure. But checking effectively often comes down to one characteristic that is highly controllable: Will.

***

Whomever is behind the bench next season has to figure out how to make some guys play with more will. Just not trying should not be an acceptable norm.

 

[cbcwpg]

Listening to NHL Radio...

They say there are 11 current coaches that are either interim or on the last year of their contract.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Ken Wiebe:

Mistakes happen and the game happens at an incredibly high pace, which only heightens the importance of making the smart and sometimes safer play.

When it comes to defending, it’s hard to draw any other conclusion than the collective group simply not being committed enough.

Could the Jets benefit from some structural changes or tweaks to the system? Sure. But checking effectively often comes down to one characteristic that is highly controllable: Will.

***

Whomever is behind the bench next season has to figure out how to make some guys play with more will. Just not trying should not be an acceptable norm.

It could be Chevy has drafting mostly soft perimeter players. That don’t take the body and wait for other players to do the hard work to get points.

A couple crash and bang forwards like sam bennet to help lowry out could change the entire complexion of this team.

A forward other then lowry and Pld that czn play D would help too

 

[WolfHouse]

Ken Wiebe:

Mistakes happen and the game happens at an incredibly high pace, which only heightens the importance of making the smart and sometimes safer play.

When it comes to defending, it’s hard to draw any other conclusion than the collective group simply not being committed enough.

Could the Jets benefit from some structural changes or tweaks to the system? Sure. But checking effectively often comes down to one characteristic that is highly controllable: Will.

***

Whomever is behind the bench next season has to figure out how to make some guys play with more will. Just not trying should not be an acceptable norm.

This article has been written every single year of Jets 2.0... sounds crazy but bringing in a coach with an actual system - instead of tweaking the system - could be the most obvious answer.

Of course, Wiebe could have insider info that Vincent is the heir apparent and the system is not going to change.

 

[kanadalainen]

Vincent
Boudreau
Julien
(Trotz) - unlikely

Any of these coaches would do well here. Especially Trotz.

I would love to see any of them in place. Julien would be really interesting - how does he like playing youngsters?

Boudreau has no problem playing the young 'uns.

 

[RustyCat]

I don't think Trotz is the right option here. He is an excellent coach and masterful at what does, but I do see the game evolving past his style. I see the same with Boudreau as well.

Replace Huddy with James Patrick and bring in a guy like Todd Reirden as HC. I like the idea of bringing in up and coming talent however, as I have mentioned before, the issue within the team is systemic. So perhaps it isn't the time for a newcomer. A guy like Reirden has been a part of managing star personalities like OV and Crosby under the watchful eyes of Trotz and Sullivan. Not that they are a handful, but what you have is someone who will not be intimidated or influenced by profile or personality.

I also still feel the systemic issue is not casual from the coaches. A coach change will help foster a new, fresher identity however the smart move will be to move Scheifele for a high profile D like Chychrun.