New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

[CF84]

absolutely correct, however right now there is no evidence that any of this is true. Denials by both sides and an even more creepy/disgusting person who being being sued by 7 accusers is the one accusing Katz.

im not ready to condemn Katz based on what's been publicly said and quite frankly the denial from Humphries is more than enough for me to believe nothing happened between them.


right, but Humphries denies a sexual relationship took place. Is everyone just being obtuse and overlooking that part?

"If." How are some fans so defensive that even the word "if" has them calling others obtuse?

The whole point of my post is to correct what was said about the age of consent at 16.

Now if you think everyone is being obtuse for still doubting Katz just because Humphries' lawyer is denying anything sexual took place, you have more trust in billionaires than most do. A man with money has many more ways than the average individual to twist an outcome. I'm not going to say he's guilty because I couldn't possibly know how innocent or how inappropriate their relationship was, but I do think Katz should be further investigated to find out if it was indeed as innocent as claimed.

A possible reason for Humphries denying anything wrong took place, is that it would have also been her choice if anything inappropriate had taking place. That could leave her feeling like she's letting friends and family down (even if she's not), and accepting money for sexual favors is also not an image any ballerina wants. It's much easier to admit a wrongdoing when it's against you and much more difficult when you're a part of it.

Also, if $75,000 was given, then there should be at least a piece of a film as evidence of no wrongdoing. I've worked in the entertainment industry since 2007 and I've never heard of someone receiving payments on more than one occasion for something that had no product. It should be very easy to clear things up by showing the pieces of the film that were made. If the "film" was lost, then this should be looked into further.

Anyways, it's super creepy that the Buttons have her screenshots and I'd have to guess that they either have more screenshots that make this even more suspect, or they picked the only ones that seemed a bit off when taken out of context. This world is messed up and it won't be crazy if there are more villains than the Buttons involved.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

The text messages released by the couple being sued by 7 ballerinas for sex crimes ?

Not credible on their own.

No, but luckily it didn’t come from a blog post, it came from cbc.ca and other credible sources that actually dig into things. Looks like it was released by their lawyer as evidence, which in the past has been somewhat credible, and should be just as credible as Katz and Humphries’ lawyer issued statements.

 

[snag]

No, but luckily it didn’t come from a blog post, it came from cbc.ca and other credible sources that actually dig into things. Looks like it was released by their lawyer as evidence, which in the past has been somewhat credible, and should be just as credible as Katz and Humphries’ lawyer issued statements.

My reservations with this being the smoking gun is the Buttons had complete access to that cell phone. Add to that their lawyer is gutter trash....which further complicates things.

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

In Canada a 50 something can have sex with a 16 year old and that is legal? I'm from the States and I'm pretty sure age of consent has more to it than just meeting the minimum age.

I don't think a 22 year old can have sex with a 16 year old legally even in Alabama. But I also haven't researched this lol.

Yes, it is legal.

 

[King1s]

I just read that the age of consent should be 16 years there.

You are angry for him doing nothing wrong?

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

My reservations with this being the smoking gun is the Buttons had complete access to that cell phone. Add to that their lawyer is gutter trash....which further complicates things.

If we are to believe the allegations by Sage, then the Buttons controlled every aspect of her life and would likely have had access to her text messages at one point. Not sure what you mean by gutter trash? But their lawyer isn’t exactly some free appointed lawyer.

I just read that the age of consent should be 16 years there.

You are angry for him doing nothing wrong?

Please just do one google search or read through one page of this thread before you make such an ignorant remark. The allegations are that he allegedly paid someone for sex that was allegedly a victim of sex trafficking.

 

[snag]

If we are to believe the allegations by Sage, then the Buttons controlled every aspect of her life and would likely have had access to her text messages at one point. Not sure what you mean by gutter trash? But their lawyer isn’t exactly some free appointed lawyer.

"He has attracted media attention for some of his controversial clients, including Alex Jones, the Infowars conspiracy theorist, and Andrew Anglin, publisher of the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website. He has faced disciplinary proceedings from the Florida, California and Nevada State bar associations"


As I said....gutter trash. And they had her phone to build her social media presence....think about that one for one moment.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

"He has attracted media attention for some of his controversial clients, including Alex Jones, the Infowars conspiracy theorist, and Andrew Anglin, publisher of the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website. He has faced disciplinary proceedings from the Florida, California and Nevada State bar associations"


As I said....gutter trash. And they had her phone to build her social media presence....think about that one for one moment.

So you don’t like Alex Jones, got it. Their lawyer is a very good and credible one, just as credible as Humphries and Katz’s.

Sounds like Sage’s claims of them be extremely controlling are true, and they would have had access to her phone to collect that text message evidence exchange between her and Katz, and maybe more evidence between her and her mother proving money laundering.

 

[snag]

So you don’t like Alex Jones, got it. Their lawyer is a very good and credible one, just as credible as Humphries and Katz’s.

Sounds like Sage’s claims of them be extremely controlling are true, and they would have had access to her phone to collect that text message evidence exchange between her and Katz, and maybe more evidence between her and her mother proving money laundering.

Have theirs "faced disciplinary proceedings from the Florida, California and Nevada State bar associations"? Have they represented Neo-Nazis? There is more than just Jones that puts this lawyer in disrepute.

You keep talking about these text messages as they are definitive evidence....yet they also had control of her cellphone. Again....let that sink in. There is something called chain of custody....are you privy to it? You talk about evidence....without being able to establish the chain of of custody and knowing the Buttons had complete access to the phone (thus being a link in the chain), those text messages don't do anything.

But whatever....I am not weighing into the guilt or innocence. I am merely saying the fact they controlled the phone and are accused of what they are accused and the lawyer is what he is...this is not a cut and dry case in which one should merely be taking the Buttons word for it and immediately be taking those text messages at face value.

 

[saintunspecified]

Have theirs "faced disciplinary proceedings from the Florida, California and Nevada State bar associations"? Have they represented Neo-Nazis? There is more than just Jones that puts this lawyer in disrepute.

You keep talking about these text messages as they are definitive evidence....yet they also had control of her cellphone. Again....let that sink in. There is something called chain of custody....are you privy to it? You talk about evidence....without being able to establish the chain of of custody and knowing the Buttons had complete access to the phone (thus being a link in the chain), those text messages don't do anything.

But whatever....I am not weighing into the guilt or innocence. I am merely saying the fact they controlled the phone and are accused of what they are accused and the lawyer is what he is...this is not a cut and dry case in which one should merely be taking the Buttons word for it and immediately be taking those text messages at face value.

I think Katz is a big sleazeball, *and" I 100% agree with all of this.

 

[snag]

I think Katz is a big sleazeball, *and" I 100% agree with all of this.

Never been a huge fan either...but kinda appreciate due process knowing that despite my efforts to to live a good honest life and not ever need it, one day I might.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Have theirs "faced disciplinary proceedings from the Florida, California and Nevada State bar associations"? Have they represented Neo-Nazis? There is more than just Jones that puts this lawyer in disrepute.

You keep talking about these text messages as they are definitive evidence....yet they also had control of her cellphone. Again....let that sink in. There is something called chain of custody....are you privy to it? You talk about evidence....without being able to establish the chain of of custody and knowing the Buttons had complete access to the phone (thus being a link in the chain), those text messages don't do anything.

But whatever....I am not weighing into the guilt or innocence. I am merely saying the fact they controlled the phone and are accused of what they are accused and the lawyer is what he is...this is not a cut and dry case in which one should merely be taking the Buttons word for it and immediately be taking those text messages at face value.

Humphries’ lawyer hasn’t represented as many high profile clients, so of course has a nice clean record in those much easier cases.

I keep talking about these text messages as credible evidence, as in it’s reasonable to believe they will likely be proven to be true. You want to dismiss them as nothing.

We don’t know they controlled the phone, and that is unlikely. Sage claims they were very controlling, and had access to her social media. That doesn’t mean complete access. It’s no different than a Husband having access to his wife’s phone by knowing the passcode, and then using her text messages as proof she was cheating in court.

 

[snag]

Humphries’ lawyer hasn’t represented as many high profile clients, so of course has a nice clean record in those much easier cases.

I keep talking about these text messages as credible evidence, as in it’s reasonable to believe they will likely be proven to be true. You want to dismiss them as nothing.

We don’t know they controlled the phone, and that is unlikely. Sage claims they were very controlling, and had access to her social media. That doesn’t mean complete access. It’s no different than a Husband having access to his wife’s phone by knowing the passcode, and then using her text messages as proof she was cheating in court.

We don't know how credible anything we think we know is. That is the point. And I never dismissed them as nothing and the fact you put those words in my mouth says plenty too. And you obviously don't understand chain of custody and its importance. I am merely suggesting nothing should be taken at face value because we really don't know anything.

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

If we are to believe the allegations by Sage, then the Buttons controlled every aspect of her life and would likely have had access to her text messages at one point. Not sure what you mean by gutter trash? But their lawyer isn’t exactly some free appointed lawyer.


Please just do one google search or read through one page of this thread before you make such an ignorant remark. The allegations are that he allegedly paid someone for sex that was allegedly a victim of sex trafficking.

Paying someone for sex isn't illegal in Canada either

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Paying someone for sex isn't illegal in Canada either

Paying a victim of sex trafficking is illegal. We will find out more details as the case goes to court. More likely, the billionaire will find everyone has a price and this will get covered up.

We don't know how credible anything we think we know is. That is the point. And I never dismissed them as nothing and the fact you put those words in my mouth says plenty too. And you obviously don't understand chain of custody and its importance. I am merely suggesting nothing should be taken at face value because we really don't know anything.

You claimed they weren’t credible because it came from the Buttons lawyer. I’m not pretending to be an expert on chain of custody, you are the one preaching. Preach away armchair expert.

 

[snag]

You claimed they weren’t credible because it came from the Buttons lawyer. I’m not pretending to be an expert on chain of custody, you are the one preaching. Preach away armchair expert.

No I didn't.

I said this: "My reservations with this being the smoking gun is the Buttons had complete access to that cell phone. Add to that their lawyer is gutter trash....which further complicates things."

 

[Perfect_Drug]

In Canada a 50 something can have sex with a 16 year old and that is legal? I'm from the States and I'm pretty sure age of consent has more to it than just meeting the minimum age.

I don't think a 22 year old can have sex with a 16 year old legally even in Alabama. But I also haven't researched this lol.

Just to let you know.

If Jeffrey Epstein, R.Kelly, and Prince Andrew did everything they did in Canada it would have been 100% legal.

It was 14 years of age up here, until 2008. Long after Epstein was convicted.

Age of consent reform in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[snag]

Just to let you know.

If Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew did everything he did in Canada it would have been 100% legal.

It was 14 years of age up here, until 2008. Long after Epstein was convicted.

Age of consent reform in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sick nonetheless.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

And you have obviously made your mind made up anyway so you obviously have no interest in due process so this is all lost on you anyway. Enjoy life.

I’m just presenting the evidence and sources that some people aren’t taking into account. Katz allegedly paid Sage 75k, during a time which she was allegedly sex trafficked, and which she allegedly laundered with her mom. I believe in due process, I just believe a billionaire can pay his way out of this situation, as he is more influential and has more leverage than anyone involved. The investigation will likely go nowhere.

Now back to enjoying life.

 

[Saltcreek]

I’m just presenting the evidence and sources that some people aren’t taking into account. Katz allegedly paid Sage 75k, during a time which she was allegedly sex trafficked, and which she allegedly laundered with her mom. I believe in due process, I just believe a billionaire can pay his way out of this situation, as he is more influential and has more leverage than anyone involved. The investigation will likely go nowhere.

Now back to enjoying life.

You hve clearly shown you believe in "what if" scenarios and conspiracy theories, not due process.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

You hve clearly shown you believe in "what if" scenarios and conspiracy theories, not due process.

No, but I do enjoy hashing out what if scenarios in an online messaging board. What’s with this Witch hunt where you want me to say I don’t believe in due process? You’re reaching bud.

 

[Toene]

The absolute STATE of this thread. Wow. Defending a creepy billionaire is the best thing you can do of your summer? Yikety yikes.

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

Just to let you know.

If Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew did everything he did in Canada it would have been 100% legal.

It was 14 years of age up here, until 2008. Long after Epstein was convicted.

Age of consent reform in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It still is 14, kinda. Depends on how old you are.

 

[snag]

It still is 14, kinda. Depends on how old you are.

If in 6 years a 19 year old goes after my daughter....I am gonna go Negan on the guy. I might be a little more gentle if he is younger than 16.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

A billionaire pervert, news at 11