Confirmed with Link: Nemec going, going, gone…to Calgary (for two future firsts and a second rounder)

[guitarguyvic]

I have to be honest, other than Jack I don’t think I care about any single player enough to be upset at them being traded, at this point. These guys have accomplished basically nothing as a collective. Nemec had some great clutch moments but his play in between those moments was really not very good. Dougie Hamilton is a better player and doing the opposite of what Fitz was trying to do only reinforces that Sunny’s move is probably the right one, in my eyes.

In a perfect world we hang onto Nemec at last one more season to let him crack the 200 game mark and see if he turns a corner. But you can’t really do that when the kid is apparently looking to get paid like he’s already there and you have a logjam at the position he fills.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Maybe stop complaining about the picks until they are used

If sunny uses all the picks and doesn’t upgrade at forward sure complain then but sitting here acting like nemec was going to return an impact forward is out of touch.

It was time to move on from nemec and he’s lucky if he even turns into McKenzie weegar at this rate

Are you talking about 22 year old weegar, who had not yet played a game in the NHL, 27-28yr old All Star Weegar or 20g 52pt Weegar (17 even strength) or the guy who has played 600+ NHL games and is now crap because he's the same age as the other RHD we failed to trade that is on our team?

 

[Bcap88]

Are you talking about 22 year old weegar, who had not yet played a game in the NHL, 27-28yr old All Star Weegar or 20g 52pt Weegar (17 even strength) or the guy who has played 600+ NHL games and is now crap because he's the same age as the other RHD we failed to trade that is on our team?

you want to wait and see if nemec turns into one of these versions ?

Nemec has a better chance of being out of the nhl by 27

He’s not good and weegar was leaps and bounds better defensively than him.

I’m sorry, but you can’t sit here and wait 4-5 years for nemec to develop a brain in the defensive zone

Hes just simply not good

 

[billingtons ghost]

Dougie is 33 and even in a down year still had more points and a better plus minus than the unicorn talent of Simon nemec

Getting all the PP time. Even strength he had 25 points which is all of 1 more than Nemec 24 ev strength.

Paired with the actual best defensive defenseman in the league the year before.

I would debate that Hamilton was much better than Nemec this year, and I doubt he'll be better next. His contract is already an albatross.

 

[Nubmer6]

Are you talking about 22 year old weegar, who had not yet played a game in the NHL, 27-28yr old All Star Weegar or 20g 52pt Weegar (17 even strength) or the guy who has played 600+ NHL games and is now crap because he's the same age as the other RHD we failed to trade that is on our team?

It's possible Sunny is just playing the odds, and he doesn't like the probably of Nemec becoming a top D man. I can understand if he doesn't want to take the gamble and sign him to a huge contract. This is his version of folding instead of being pot committed.

 

[Nubmer6]

Getting all the PP time. Even strength he had 25 points which is all of 1 more than Nemec 24 ev strength.

Paired with the actual best defensive defenseman in the league the year before.

I would debate that Hamilton was much better than Nemec this year, and I doubt he'll be better next. His contract is already an albatross.

Dougie has much better zone exit stats, which is what this team desperately needs to improve at. In fact, he has the best of any defenseman on the team.

 

[Bcap88]

Getting all the PP time. Even strength he had 25 points which is all of 1 more than Nemec 24 ev strength.

Paired with the actual best defensive defenseman in the league the year before.

I would debate that Hamilton was much better than Nemec this year, and I doubt he'll be better next. His contract is already an albatross.

Oh really who was Dougie paired with the most in 24/25 ? I’ll give you a hint it’s the same guy nemec was paired with the most in 25/26

 

[billingtons ghost]

It's possible Sunny is just playing the odds, and he doesn't like the probably of Nemec becoming a top D man. I can understand if he doesn't want to take the gamble and sign him to a huge contract. This is his version of folding instead of being pot committed.

Sure. I get that. He's already pot committed on everyone in the team with all the nmc's, but if you're going to move a blue chip, pair it with the other chip you have in Mercer and get us the scoring winger we need, or part of the helleybuk nonsense. Three lukewarm 25-35 picks isn't the return.

I'm totally interested and down with the... Oh what happens next, but who's the target? Kyrou who seems to be everyone's fave is off the board and would've been more lightweight perimeter space junk anyway.

Mactavish?

 

[billingtons ghost]

Oh really who was Dougie paired with the most in 24/25 ? I’ll give you a hint it’s the same guy nemec was paired with the most in 25/26

And Dougie was a puck watching mess that did most of his damage on PP1.

 

[billingtons ghost]

This board will bitch about anything it can

Half the time you got the same people bitching about needing help now and then at the same time you got the other half bitching about how our prospect pool blows

Wait until it all plays out the way I see it Nj has 5 first round picks over the next 3 drafts maybe 4 if one of them slides these can be used to upgrade at forward or upgrade tbe prospect pool which then can be used to upgrade at forward

Oh brother. If we are actually using any of these picks, we are frigging cooked bc the core will all be 30+ before they make an impact

 

[Nubmer6]

Sure. I get that. He's already pot committed on everyone in the team with all the nmc's, but if you're going to move a blue chip, pair it with the other chip you have in Mercer and get us the scoring winger we need, or part of the helleybuk nonsense. Three lukewarm 25-35 picks isn't the return.

I'm totally interested and down with the... Oh what happens next, but who's the target? Kyrou who seems to be everyone's fave is off the board and would've been more lightweight perimeter space junk anyway.

Mactavish?

Ya, I'm a bit underwheled with the return, but at the same time, the picks could well become trade chips for a big player. I'm withholding judgement until I see what becomes of this, because I don't expect us to use all the picks ourselves.

You really can't count on the picks being close to the second round. Things change, and the Vegas pick specifically strikes me as one that could become something valuable.

 

[billingtons ghost]

There has to have been something though because teams don’t just give away 22 year old RHD with potential. Rumours are just rumours yes but when a completely fresh GM comes in and one of his first orders of business is trading him something had to have been up

He was clearly unhappy that Luke got the contract and multiple players on the team got an extended leash after making more mistakes than he did.

We didn't handle his development at all.

We'll see what happens since he's going to slot in as #1or#2 RHD in Calgary and get 20+minutes and PP time.

 

[billingtons ghost]

#1 for the Wranglers, maybe

Flames have Whitecloud and a 19 year old on the right side after dealing Anderson.

Nemec will be #1 just by luck, really like he was in Slovakia.

He's going to be gassed unless he actually gets some ridiculous conditioning, bc our guys seemed to be gassed all season long

 

[billingtons ghost]

Luke Hughes has spent stretches of time in his career looking like one of the better defensemen in the league. Nemec literally never has. Even when he’s scoring, he’s bleeding chances.

Luke is a better player today, and will have a better career.

Luke Hughes is one of the greatest skaters I've seen. At no time had her looked like 'one of the better defensemen', but skating covers lots of ills and he's got a much higher ceiling. And hasnt matured much despite all of the extra opportunity.
I hope, and think you're right, but I still think we pooched it with Nemec.

 

[Bcap88]

Couldn’t be me upset about losing nemec

 

[Nubmer6]

He was clearly unhappy that Luke got the contract and multiple players on the team got an extended leash after making more mistakes than he did.

We didn't handle his development at all.

We'll see what happens since he's going to slot in as #1or#2 RHD in Calgary and get 20+minutes and PP time.

I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up a ton of points, gaining a ton of accolades, but remains a defensive liability, kind of like Ghostibehere when he first hit the league.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up a ton of points, gaining a ton of accolades, but remains a defensive liability, kind of like Ghostibehere when he first hit the league.

I see that too.

They helped Bahl, and the are lots of things he does wrong that are clearly just uncorrected technique and incredibly fixable... Like having a stick on the ice or taking a better angle or getting better blocking shots.

It's not impossible for a 22 yr old guy who's always been 'the guy' and has never had to work on his game...to work on his game and that his defense improves rapidly this year.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Couldn’t be me upset about losing nemec

Curious: can you post his 24-25 cards? What do they say? Since that was a team that was equally trash defensively, but offensively minded.

Is the analysis the same or does it say the exact opposite about Nemec's play? Since advanced stats always are right and tell all truths.

 

[Nubmer6]

I see that too.

They helped Bahl, and the are lots of things he does wrong that are clearly just uncorrected technique and incredibly fixable... Like having a stick on the ice or taking a better angle or getting better blocking shots.

It's not impossible for a 22 yr old guy who's always been 'the guy' and has never had to work on his game...to work on his game and that his defense improves rapidly this year.

Ya i think being traded may light a fire under his ass. He may fit better in their system too. The D may improve, but I wouldn't count on it being very good.

 

[Bcap88]

Curious: can you post his 24-25 cards? What do they say? Since that was a team that was equally trash defensively, but offensively minded.

Is the analysis the same or does it say the exact opposite about Nemec's play? Since advanced stats always are right and tell all truths.

It’s behind a paywall

Jfresh will sometimes put them for free on his page



That’s the closest to year one but doesn’t look like he posted the micro’s for that year

Analytics don’t always tell the truth but we all have eyes and a brain to see what the analytics are saying it’s that he’s gifted offensively and is a dope defensively

 

[BenedictGomez]

he’s gifted offensively and is a dope defensively

I cannot tell you how many times I watched Devils games wondering why Simon Nemec is a defenseman. I genuinely believe he'd likely be a better forward.

 

[br4no]

Well, finally, he's out. The circumstances were not good for him over here in NJ. Some may say that he got his chance and did not make the best ouf of it. In the young man's eyes when he believes he's mishandled, it's difficult to overcome such situation. And nothing was pointing to a change of situation in the near future.

Let's see how he'll handle it in Calgary.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Coming back to this thread after getting some sleep and feeling like I hate this trade. FU sunny for trading nemec and keeping Hamilton.

 

[My3Sons]

Coming back to this thread after getting some sleep and feeling like I hate this trade. FU sunny for trading nemec and keeping Hamilton.

No FU to Fitz for destroying the relationship with Nemec and backing thr team into a corner with all the trade protections? Nemec wasn’t signing a decent contract with NJ and I’m sure he wanted a fresh start. Mehta was given chicken crap and is at least trying to make chicken salad. Let’s see what happens. Nemec is not a sure fire top pair guy. He has good offensive ability but he is slow and does not make as much of a defensive effort as he needs to. I didn’t see that getting better in NJ but maybe it does in Calgary.

 

[Lou is God]

No FU to Fitz for destroying the relationship with Nemec and backing thr team into a corner with all the trade protections? Nemec wasn’t signing a decent contract with NJ and I’m sure he wanted a fresh start. Mehta was given chicken crap and is at least trying to make chicken salad. Let’s see what happens. Nemec is not a sure fire top pair guy. He has good offensive ability but he is slow and does not make as much of a defensive effort as he needs to. I didn’t see that getting better in NJ but maybe it does in Calgary.

Some acting like we traded Cale Maker away.