Proposal: Necas <CAR> for Chytil and Robertson <NYR>
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Per NST, Necas' 5v5 production dropped from 1.85 per 60 to 1.78, despite his most common linemate going from Svechnikov to Drury. He was the undisputed best player on his line for much of the season.
His PP production was literally cut in half (26 to 13). He not only lost ice time in volume 1st unit to 2nd unit, but the quality of teammates decreased as well.
The Rangers are a weird fit for him, if his primary motivation is to get paid. The path to 1st unit PP time is non-existant there. Look at Lafreniere.
His PP production was literally cut in half (26 to 13). He not only lost ice time in volume 1st unit to 2nd unit, but the quality of teammates decreased as well.
The Rangers are a weird fit for him, if his primary motivation is to get paid. The path to 1st unit PP time is non-existant there. Look at Lafreniere.
I believe the reason why Marty Necas wanted out of Carolina was because he wanted top power play minutes. I don’t see that happening in New York.
eco's bones
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The proposal is a bit on the embarrassing side. Chytil is a very good player but has never produced near Necas' level and he has real potential career ending injury issues. Robertson so far is the definition of a failed prospect. He has size and tools--skating, passing, shooting are all really good but he's never been able to put things together and is very mistake prone which is why he hasn't gotten into an NHL game after three years in the AHL.
All that said I think Necas is a very good and a very dangerous player but to me there was no question that on the Canes Aho and Guentzel were their most dangerous players in the playoffs probably followed by Svechnikov and Jarvis. It wasn't that Necas wasn't effective as a player but he was more along for the ride than those other four. He's a lot better than what the thread starter offered here but he doesn't appear to me to be the kind of player that is going to push us much beyond where we are now or at least not with the actual package we would have to give up to get him.
From my perspective the No. 1 guy I would be aiming at (if he actually is available) is Brady Tkachuk. He's really going to cost though.
All that said I think Necas is a very good and a very dangerous player but to me there was no question that on the Canes Aho and Guentzel were their most dangerous players in the playoffs probably followed by Svechnikov and Jarvis. It wasn't that Necas wasn't effective as a player but he was more along for the ride than those other four. He's a lot better than what the thread starter offered here but he doesn't appear to me to be the kind of player that is going to push us much beyond where we are now or at least not with the actual package we would have to give up to get him.
From my perspective the No. 1 guy I would be aiming at (if he actually is available) is Brady Tkachuk. He's really going to cost though.
You seriosuly asking this question? Great skater doesn't necessarily mean quick.
pld459666
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Waited for a reply from you. One of the most level headed fans of teams I'm not a fan of.
Great post.
TheKrebsCycle
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Typically if you’re described as a strong skater you’d have good speed along w it . Strange to describe someone as a great skater then follow it up by saying they are slow ..but alright my Scottish expert …Who are some examples of players that are great skaters but slow speed wise ?
Boom Boom Apathy
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Jeff Skinner is a classic example. He's not really a fast skater, but his edge work, lateral movement and ability to make tight turns in tight spaces is incredible.
What about some elite players like Zetterberg and Jagr? Jagr started of as a fairly quick skater then put on the weight and changed his game to be more stick handling and power. This is where he became elite.
The Sedins were great skaters but not exactly quick. Joe Thornton wasnt particularly fast.
There is a lot of top players who flourish by using their skating, strength and puck control because they dont have the speed.
LOL, nobody's yelling.
Every single fanbase overvalues their prospects. As far as hyberbole goes, go peek at your board during those discussions. You had posters saying It Starts with Fox And Laf +.
Speaking of those flamed out prospects, one of them (Laf) scored more ES points than any forward on your team this season and the other (Schneider) solidified himself as a top-4 RHD. You want to mock the Rangers? They've at least made it to the ECF twice in the last 3 years while your Sabres haven't seen the playoffs since 2011.
A player on a better team with better players scored more points and subsequently made the playoffs?!?! Color me surprised! In other news water is sometimes wet...good job my dude.
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
4th overall for a top 6 players doesn't seem all that out of place though I wonder if Columbus views itself as a rebuilder still.
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
wasn't one of the Sedin's picks traded? I thought that was within the salary cap. Not that it really matters who cares what has and hasn't been traded before usually because a team picking in the top 4 desperately needs young talent while Columbus has mostly just been a disappointing team after grabbing some big free agents and already have some big young talent currently so they aren't exactly pushing to be young atm.
Without knowing what the rest of the deal looked like we can't say that Necas was worth anywhere close to the 4th.
For instance, there were also rumors about Necas in talks with Buffalo for the 11th pick, and Columbus was supposedly in talks to move down from 4th to 12th. So perhaps Necas was to be had for the 12th pick from Columbus, after they moved down.
Barnaby
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Kakko isn’t great at anything. Although, I was once told he had “elite edge work” by a poster here. He's a 3rd line 40 point winger who brings no physicality and doesn’t play special teams.
Unlucky at shooting or has a poor shot? Big difference.
Machinehead
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Robertson is an AHL player. This is basically Chytil for Necas.
I say yes, of course.
I say yes, of course.
You’re free to believe what you want to believe. They’re just rumors. When two of the big insiders in the league report something, particularly Friedman, that’s hard to dismiss in my eyes. It’s an eyebrow raising one in the historical context, but the GM connection to the player is quite unique and that makes it plausible enough. Obviously, others disagree.
Tbh, I only brought that up to make the distinction between the valuations of Necas and Chytil more impactful. I don’t think he’ll be worth a comparable asset to another team later in his window team control.
Did Friedman or Seravalli say it was a 1 for 1 deal for the 4th OA?
I don't think I'm dismissing either by saying it must have been a more complicated deal, likely with a lesser pick heading to Carolina. I think I'm filling in the gap where they don't say what the deal was.
I’d expect the rumor to have been for a lesser pick. Both referenced #4 specifically. That’s (a substantial trade down in an era without them) a big part of a potential deal to leave out of the conversation.
To me, it’s more logical that the Canes were adding to Necas themselves to bridge the gap. They had a 1st and that would have allowed the Jackets to still draft someone on Night 1.
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How many young top 6 RFAs been traded for a single draft pick in the salary cap era?
In terms of recent RFAs I'd put similar to Necas.
Trouba to NYR, Reinhart to Fla, Fiala to LAK, Debrincat (to Detroit). (and tbh I'd take every single one of those guys at the time over their trade over current Necas)
all centered around mid/late 1st+ secondary piece such as Pionk, Levi, Faber, or Kubalik.
Marty Necas simply isn't of that caliber, especially if he wants a hefty contract.
Barnaby
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Necas is easily better than Chytil and doesn’t carry the huge injury concerns. Head injuries are on the short list of injuries that could end a career these days.
Robertson has practically no trade value. Especially not when you’re asking another team to take a significant downgrade on their roster. He’s also waiver eligible and hasn’t proven he can play in the league. We aren’t deep on prospect D, yet he’s down the list.
Even if you added a first, Carolina still says no. You don’t take on injury risk like that.
Robertson has practically no trade value. Especially not when you’re asking another team to take a significant downgrade on their roster. He’s also waiver eligible and hasn’t proven he can play in the league. We aren’t deep on prospect D, yet he’s down the list.
Even if you added a first, Carolina still says no. You don’t take on injury risk like that.
