Player Discussion: Neal Pionk Part 2

[Mortimer Snerd]

I do recall holding out hope he could find a much higher level of play for the Jets, within a couple years.
I did read one NYR fans take on the trade and stated Pionk has way more potential than what he showed in NYR's uniform, due to his skill level of play at U M-D and his rush into top minutes, unsheltered play with the Rangers where he had _hitty coaching and poor team around him. He shared Jets were getting a pretty solid competitor whose early NHL experience was an anomoly, now that he is going to a better team with structure. Sure enough, eh! Plus, plus, plus...

I confess, the NYR fans takes on him had my expectations pretty low. I was pleasantly surprised last year. Disappointed by him in the play-in. This year he has risen to another level altogether. I think he will be much better in post-season play too.

 

[Teemusalami204]

He’s going to be a Norris finalist this year hopefully we can ink him up long term for less then morrisey

 

[DRW204]

He’s going to be a Norris finalist this year hopefully we can ink him up long term for less then morrisey

if he's going to be a norris finalist, while leading this team in Dmen scoring and vie for top 5 in the entire NHL, how is he going to be paid less than morrissey? points+TOI get you paid as a dman, and pionk will lap our d group in pts, and be close in toi. he'll be a norris finalist in a contract year, something morrissey has not achieved ever.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Re-signing this guy long term has to be a priority for Chevy. I think he's the real deal now. If we could just clone him and put one Pionk on each pairing we'd be the number 1 cup contenders.

I would like a little variety among our Dmen. If we have a cloning machine I'll take 1 Drew Doughty and 1 Cale Makar please. For the left side, I'd like a Miro Heiskanen and, for nostalgia, one Larry Robinson.

With those 4 clones, Pionk and Morrissey can stay. Why not?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pionk is almost a ppg dman and there is still some posters who say morrisey is better ??

Pionk also body checks and went one on one with mcdavid and basically shut him down.

It’s not even close. I said this before if pionk was 6 foot 3 and 220 he would be winning the Norris

Yeah, but he is not 6'3 and 220. Those are not just numbers on the roster list.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Unless I'm understanding these posts wrong, I think you guys missed the point of my argument. I agree that Dubois hasn't been better than Connor, etc. yet.
My point was simply that stacking the first unit isn't always the best thing for the team. While I don't like many of Maurice's coaching choices I really like the personnel choices on the power play that leave the Jets with two potent units instead of just one overwhelming one.
I was in no way suggesting I'd like to see this, but rather the opposite.

The whole point of the PP is to overwhelm, thus the name Power Play. PP is not as strenuous as 5v5 play. You can leave players out for the full 2 minutes. Use the 2nd unit sparingly.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

i hope so too..... but that seems like not enough. he's gonna lead this d group in points and close in TOI. Think it's 6M minimum. Krug contract is my comparable.

Krug signed that contract at 29 YO, no RFA years. Otherwise a good comp, I think.
I'm thinking Pionk at 7 yrs x 6 mil.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah, but he is not 6'3 and 220. Those are not just numbers on the roster list.

The important point I took away from @Teemusalami204 post is that Pionk should get more than jomo. Not that he will win a Norris. What are your thoughts bout Pionk’s next contract?
Edit: redundant as already answered.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Krug signed that contract at 29 YO, no RFA years. Otherwise a good comp, I think.
I'm thinking Pionk at 7 yrs x 6 mil.

So less than Jomo? Despite better scoring and better d huh. Interesting.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pionk is 7th in scoring.

Look at % of pp pts. View attachment 408364

What are those numbers? VP = Virtual Points? OTP = Off Track Performance?

Presumably, PPP% = % of each player's points that come on the PP.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So less than Jomo? Despite better scoring and better d huh. Interesting.

OK, bump it up a bit.

 

[Teemusalami204]

There are so many differences between jmo and pionk.

for one intensity. No gliding and playing with a purpose

another is confidence. It’s night and day

as I posted before pionk adapted into exactly what we need, he takes runs at guys , shuts down a great players and get points.

Morrisey adapted exactly into what we don’t need.

pionk adapted into what everyone thought morrisey would be.

 

[DRW204]

think i am missing a post or it got deleted.

but if pionk accepts less than JoMo, Chevy is either a wizard or Pionk is really doing us a solid by not only being superior than current-Trouba and Morrissey, but being far better per salary (given they'd have long-term deals now).

So less than Jomo? Despite better scoring and better d huh. Interesting.

 

[DRW204]

his play has been night and day (IMO) compared to last year. guy has been great out there night-in night-out

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Pionk is #1 total hits by a Jets D and 2nd to Lowry for overall for the team hits leader
Miss the highlight hits from Tanev, Buff and Chariot

 

[ps241]

Pionk is #1 total hits by a Jets D and 2nd to Lowry for overall for the team hits leader
Miss the highlight hits from Tanev, Buff and Chariot

Yea Pionk is a very physical D man where it counts and that is against the other teams star players. Many Other fans in the North hate him for it which is a compliment.

 

[10Ducky10]

I thought I'd give this thread a bump instead of starting a new one about his next deal.
I think he gets 37m over 6 years, same as Helle.

 

[Atoyot]

Pionk is #1 total hits by a Jets D and 2nd to Lowry for overall for the team hits leader
Miss the highlight hits from Tanev, Buff and Chariot

Did Tanev have highlight hits? I mostly just remember him scurrying around and bouncing off of people.

 

[GumbyCan2]

if he's going to be a norris finalist, while leading this team in Dmen scoring and vie for top 5 in the entire NHL, how is he going to be paid less than morrissey? points+TOI get you paid as a dman, and pionk will lap our d group in pts, and be close in toi. he'll be a norris finalist in a contract year, something morrissey has not achieved ever.

Warranted for Pionk, too. He is a rock'em-sock'em stud Dman. Just too bad he wasn't 6" taller and 40 #'s heavier! He actually hits more often and better, tougher than Demelo, yet is our only puck carrying, offensive defenseman.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Pionk is almost a ppg dman and there is still some posters who say morrisey is better ??

Pionk also body checks and went one on one with mcdavid and basically shut him down.

It’s not even close. I said this before if pionk was 6 foot 3 and 220 he would be winning the Norris

Absolutely!
Hopefully Chevy can sign him for 7 or 8 years under $7 mil per, and we can focus on developing our D-prospects and playing those who are ready! (aka, Heinola, Samberg,)

 

[GumbyCan2]

if he's going to be a norris finalist, while leading this team in Dmen scoring and vie for top 5 in the entire NHL, how is he going to be paid less than morrissey? points+TOI get you paid as a dman, and pionk will lap our d group in pts, and be close in toi. he'll be a norris finalist in a contract year, something morrissey has not achieved ever.

If he hits even higher targets and Jets go far in North div Playoffs with Pionk standing out, his agent is going to demand closer to Drew Doughty $$$$'s, less Covid-era adjustment to profit drops.

 

[Evil Little]

He’s going to be a Norris finalist this year hopefully we can ink him up long term for less then morrisey

I love Pionk but he's getting close to zero Norris votes. It's a scoring award and he's not in the top ten and dumb dumb hockey writers will somehow chalk all his accomplishments up to playing in front of Hellebuyck anyhow.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I love Pionk but he's getting close to zero Norris votes. It's a scoring award and he's not in the top ten and dumb dumb hockey writers will somehow chalk all his accomplishments up to playing in front of Hellebuyck anyhow.

Has there ever been a team that had both the Norris and the vending in the same season?

 

[DRW204]

yes

quite a few times

Season	Lg	NOR	Tm	VEZ
2008-09	NHL	Zdeno Chara	BOS	Tim Thomas
2003-04	NHL	Scott Niedermayer	NJD	Martin Brodeur
1992-93	NHL	Chris Chelios	CHI	Ed Belfour
1988-89	NHL	Chris Chelios	MTL	Patrick Roy
1976-77	NHL	Larry Robinson	MTL	Ken Dryden
1965-66	NHL	Jacques Laperriere	MTL	Charlie Hodge
1962-63	NHL	Pierre Pilote	CHI	Glenn Hall
1959-60	NHL	Doug Harvey	MTL	Jacques Plante
1958-59	NHL	Tom Johnson	MTL	Jacques Plante
1957-58	NHL	Doug Harvey	MTL	Jacques Plante
1956-57	NHL	Doug Harvey	MTL	Jacques Plante
1955-56	NHL	Doug Harvey	MTL	Jacques Plante

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Has there ever been a team that had both the Norris and the vending in the same season?

 

[Jet]

With all the stupid awards the NHL has I still cannot believe that there is only one defenseman award. There should be best overall defenseman (Norris) and the season scoring champ (Orr). Just do it, NHL.