Player Discussion: Neal Pionk Part 2

[JetsFan815]

Re-signing this guy long term has to be a priority for Chevy. I think he's the real deal now. If we could just clone him and put one Pionk on each pairing we'd be the number 1 cup contenders.

 

[boydkc]

Josh is the better D-man hands down.

Pionk has 2 RFA years owed to the team after this one.

Pionk should sign a 4-5 year contract with Jets in the 5 mill-$5.2 mill range.

His high point totals the last 2 years are inflated by his usage with the Jets high. Octane offensive forwards.
If he was another team his point totals would be much lower!

Josh Morrissey will turn it around and will be the key to our defence for the next 7.5 years left on his contract.

If Buff / Myers/ and Chairot would have stayed and played on the Jets last year ...... Pionk s usage would have been totally different and we would be looking to re sign Pionk this summer at 4 mill per season over 5 years!!!

I strongly disagree Pionk is likely the best defenceman in the entire north division right now. Morrisey has struggled the last couple of seasons injury something else I have no idea. He plays too much he should not be on the 1st power play. Hope he gets it together but Pionk plays with Passion. Morrisey doesn’t right now.

 

[boydkc]

This is a good point. The cap won't remain flat forever. The Jets are in a good cap situation, and they could certainly afford Pionk at around $5.5-6M. It might turn out to be a bad contract, but I don't think so. I think he's going to be a solid #2-4 D for the next several seasons, with some potential to improve. He's better defensively than I expected, but I think his offense has room to grow as the shackles come off. As long as the contract isn't too long, having Pionk offers stability in the top-4, while players like Samberg and Heinola come into the roster.

The jets don’t have him on the #1 power play ??????

 

[StumpyTown]

The jets don’t have him on the #1 power play ??????

I like it that way personally. It balances the units better. The second unit needs Pionk to quarterback from the point, while the first unit quarterbacks from the half wall through Scheifele now. Morrissey isn't quite as good as Pionk in that point position, but both units are extremely dangerous (albeit frustrating at times - like pretty much every teams pp) this way and Maurice doesn't have to leave that top unit out for 1:45 at a time.

 

[boydkc]

I like it that way personally. It balances the units better. The second unit needs Pionk to quarterback from the point, while the first unit quarterbacks from the half wall through Scheifele now. Morrissey isn't quite as good as Pionk in that point position, but both units are extremely dangerous (albeit frustrating at times - like pretty much every teams pp) this way and Maurice doesn't have to leave that top unit out for 1:45 at a time.

Your joking right. Your best offensive defenceman on the second power play. Give your head a shake. Next season Pionk and Heinola on the #1 power play will make the jets the#1 power play in the league. Anything less Maurice and Chevy should be fired.

 

[StumpyTown]

Your joking right. Your best offensive defenceman on the second power play. Give your head a shake. Next season Pionk and Heinola on the #1 power play will make the jets the#1 power play in the league. Anything less Maurice and Chevy should be fired.

By that logic the first unit should be Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Ehlers, and Pionk. Your four best offensive forwards and your top D. A second unit would look like Connor, Stastny, Perrault, Appleton, Morrissey. That second unit is going to do nothing as there isn't a natural quarterback on that line. Putting all the eggs in one basket doesn't always make for the best basket of eggs. Two very dangerous units are better than one big unit that under-utilizes its components.

 

[WpgSteve]

I've liked the 2 PP units and how they've been used this year. Both have a decent chance to score. Its exciting to have a second chance if the first unit can't get anything going

 

[Teemusalami204]

By that logic the first unit should be Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Ehlers, and Pionk. Your four best offensive forwards and your top D. A second unit would look like Connor, Stastny, Perrault, Appleton, Morrissey. That second unit is going to do nothing as there isn't a natural quarterback on that line. Putting all the eggs in one basket doesn't always make for the best basket of eggs. Two very dangerous units are better than one big unit that under-utilizes its components.

dubois is far from our best. I would have Appleton or copp over him rright now, and he way Perrault is playing right now I would take him even,

 

[Teemusalami204]

Pionk is almost a ppg dman and there is still some posters who say morrisey is better ??

Pionk also body checks and went one on one with mcdavid and basically shut him down.

It’s not even close. I said this before if pionk was 6 foot 3 and 220 he would be winning the Norris

 

[Adam da bomb]

By that logic the first unit should be Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Ehlers, and Pionk. Your four best offensive forwards and your top D. A second unit would look like Connor, Stastny, Perrault, Appleton, Morrissey. That second unit is going to do nothing as there isn't a natural quarterback on that line. Putting all the eggs in one basket doesn't always make for the best basket of eggs. Two very dangerous units are better than one big unit that under-utilizes its components.

How has Dubois proven himself a better offensive weapon than kc. Also how has wheeler proven himself more deserving on 1st pp than kc. Ehlers is taking over playmaking role and kc is still our best sniper.

 

[BigZ65]

This off-season is a mutually beneficial time to lock up a long-term deal. Pionk has been inconsistent in his career thus far so he’d probably like some term and the Jets get ahead of what an AAV might be if Pionk has another great season.

6 years $28 million would be my opening offer as the Jets hoping to land at $5 million AAV.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This off-season is a mutually beneficial time to lock up a long-term deal. Pionk has been inconsistent in his career thus far so he’d probably like some term and the Jets get ahead of what an AAV might be if Pionk has another great season.

6 years $28 million would be my opening offer as the Jets hoping to land at $5 million AAV.

My hope is 6 at 6 and he is generous enough

 

[StumpyTown]

dubois is far from our best. I would have Appleton or copp over him rright now, and he way Perrault is playing right now I would take him even,

How has Dubois proven himself a better offensive weapon than kc. Also how has wheeler proven himself more deserving on 1st pp than kc. Ehlers is taking over playmaking role and kc is still our best sniper.

Unless I'm understanding these posts wrong, I think you guys missed the point of my argument. I agree that Dubois hasn't been better than Connor, etc. yet.
My point was simply that stacking the first unit isn't always the best thing for the team. While I don't like many of Maurice's coaching choices I really like the personnel choices on the power play that leave the Jets with two potent units instead of just one overwhelming one.
I was in no way suggesting I'd like to see this, but rather the opposite.

 

[Boreal]

Sign him up. Long term. As soon as possible.

 

[DRW204]

i hope so too..... but that seems like not enough. he's gonna lead this d group in points and close in TOI. Think it's 6M minimum. Krug contract is my comparable.

This off-season is a mutually beneficial time to lock up a long-term deal. Pionk has been inconsistent in his career thus far so he’d probably like some term and the Jets get ahead of what an AAV might be if Pionk has another great season.

6 years $28 million would be my opening offer as the Jets hoping to land at $5 million AAV.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Also inconsistent in his career? He has 3 seasons one with rangers who are a tire fire and since being here he is consistently great. Dream on signing him cheap instead aim for fair long term.

 

[Whileee]

Hot take alert...

Based on a range of metrics, it could be said that Pionk's play so far this season exceeds any previous season by a D in Winnipeg Jets 2.0. I'll go out on a limb and say that the only reason he's not considered a bona fide #1D this season is his size and the residual bias based on his performance in his first couple of seasons with the Rangers. If he was 6'3", he'd be widely touted as a top D in the NHL.

 

[Weezeric]

Hot take alert...

Based on a range of metrics, it could be said that Pionk's play so far this season exceeds any previous season by a D in Winnipeg Jets 2.0. I'll go out on a limb and say that the only reason he's not considered a bona fide #1D this season is his size and the residual bias based on his performance in his first couple of seasons with the Rangers. If he was 6'3", he'd be widely touted as a top D in the NHL.

Im fine with him going under the radar until he’s locked up long term. Then he can win the Norris.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Hot take alert...

Based on a range of metrics, it could be said that Pionk's play so far this season exceeds any previous season by a D in Winnipeg Jets 2.0. I'll go out on a limb and say that the only reason he's not considered a bona fide #1D this season is his size and the residual bias based on his performance in his first couple of seasons with the Rangers. If he was 6'3", he'd be widely touted as a top D in the NHL.

I agree. I said this this in a different post. It’s bang on.

 

[Whileee]

Im fine with him going under the radar until he’s locked up long term. Then he can win the Norris.

I think it's a bit too late for that, but perhaps Pionk will see that this is a great fit for him and will be willing to sign a decent long-term deal. I'm thinking something around $6M or so, for 7-8 years.

It really depends on whether you believe his performance over the past couple of seasons with the Jets is indicative of his future performance. If so, he's a solid #2-3D.

 

[DRW204]

Pionk is 7th in scoring.

Look at % of pp pts.

 

[AlphaLackey]

now just compare 3-20-23 with 12 PIM in 28 GP to a *completely fictional, hypothetical, any resemblance to ANY actual NHL player is coincidental* stat line as of 2021 March 16 of 0-5-5 with 14 PIM in 19 GP. Not hard to see which one you'd rather have on your team

 

[Jet]

I'm trying to track down a home heritage Pionk jersey - you'd think that was easy but unless you want to go knockoffs, it is not.

 

[snowkiddin]

I'm trying to track down a home heritage Pionk jersey - you'd think that was easy but unless you want to go knockoffs, it is not.

Go to Royal Sports and order it custom. They will send it to Adidas to get it pro-stitched. Expensive, but very good quality and worth it. Just picked up a heritage Connor jersey last week that I’m very pleased with

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I stumbled upon this thread the other day, it ended quickly.

Trouba vs Pionk

That was a month ago. Pionk has gotten better since. Trouba has not. Pionk is better both offensively and defensively. Right now, I take Pionk over Trouba straight up, with no consideration of contracts.

Consider contracts plus Heinola and Chevy really hit a homerun on that deal.