Other Sports: NCAA Thread v12

[JojoTheWhale]

That's not what happened though. They left it up to the field goal holder to make call on the fly.

If he was making the call, he leaves his Heisman finalist QB on the field.

Is there a relevant quote here or is this speculation? The Holder making the call has a non-specific meaning to me and I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth.

 

[GKJ]

Is there a relevant quote here or is this speculation?

He said that it was the look. It's actually fairly standard fare for those kinds of fakes. The call is usually made on the field by either the holder (punter in the case of punts) or the long snapper unless they draw up a specific play. There's no way to know what the look is until they're on the field. Same thing for all the swinging gates we see on PAT's. It's worked out with the special teams coordinators, but that call is made on the field by the players based on the look they're given.

A smart coach isn't going to force his players to run that fake if they think they're going to run into a brick wall.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He said that it was the look. It's actually fairly standard fare for those kinds of fakes. The call is usually made on the field by either the holder (punter in the case of punts) or the long snapper unless they draw up a specific play. There's no way to know what the look is until they're on the field. Same thing for all the swinging gates we see on PAT's. It's worked out with the special teams coordinators, but that call is made on the field by the players based on the look they're given.

A smart coach isn't going to force his players to run that fake if they think they're going to run into a brick wall.

Right. But then the call is to go for it and it has a trap door. That’s still going for it, which is why I was confused.

 

[GKJ]

Right. But then the call is to go for it and it has a trap door. That’s still going for it, which is why I was confused.

The call is whatever the looks are that they go through in special teams meetings, or during the game. Maybe he favors the fake, but that's essentially every field goal (or punt) where a fake can be reasonable. Maybe they decide before the game, or as a general rule when the situation calls for the call to not be made, but whoever made that call was very unlikely to be aware of the analytics in the moment.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The call is whatever the looks are that they go through in special teams meetings, or during the game. Maybe he favors the fake, but that's essentially every field goal (or punt) where a fake can be reasonable. Maybe they decide before the game, or as a general rule when the situation calls for the call to not be made, but whoever made that call was very unlikely to be aware of the analytics in the moment.

Yes, there is the option to get out of it. But if you don't want the fake there, you take it off of the table. I don't believe for a second that Lanning both declined to take the option off and wanted to kick the FG in that situation. That would require incredible incompetence.

To wit, from OregonLive:

-- On fake field goal: Knew it would be long field for UW if they failed. “We’ve been aggressive. before.”

 

[GKJ]

Yes, there is the option to get out of it. But if you don't want the fake there, you take it off of the table. I don't believe for a second that Lanning both declined to take the option off and wanted to kick the FG in that situation. That would require incredible incompetence.

To wit, from OregonLive:

-- On fake field goal: Knew it would be long field for UW if they failed. “We’ve been aggressive. before.”

He’s defending the call. The incompetence is taking Dillon Gabriel off the field on 4th down. Perfectly reasonable to force a team to have to get a touchdown when they haven’t proven they could move the ball in the air. It was overthought and they got away with it. If it was 30-27, different story, you’re less sure about getting a stop. Wisconsin didn’t score in the 2nd half. Make their job harder, not yours.