Other Sports: NCAA Thread v12

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[renberg]

The Alabama honks are all loving the DeBoer hire, but a lot of potential downside there. He's only been an FBS head coach for four years and certainly never at an SEC level job. Even by Pac 12 standards, UW is pretty low profile. He also has no recruiting ties to the region. The SEC has seen plenty of high end X's and O guys flame out because they just don't get the level of player needed. You need both in that conference.

I don't believe that recruiting is a one person thing. These schools have a network of people that set up the situation. The HC comes in for the final act but there are stages in the process that lead to the final signing. In many cases the kid signs because they like the position coach and have a positive vibe with that guy. They feel that this coach, the coordinator and team are going to get them into a position to play on Sunday.

 

[flyershockey]

I don't believe that recruiting is a one person thing. These schools have a network of people that set up the situation. The HC comes in for the final act but there are stages in the process that lead to the final signing. In many cases the kid signs because they like the position coach and have a positive vibe with that guy. They feel that this coach, the coordinator and team are going to get them into a position to play on Sunday.

Head coaches are very involved with recruiting, not just on the last couple of days. Kirby personally recruited KJ Bolden for four years and it took up until signing day to finally get him committed.

Obviously, all teams have huge recruiting staffs, but it looks like DeBoer is bringing in most of his staff from UW, most of which have no background in recruiting the southeast, nor were they particularly elite recruiters at Washington. I don't think that bodes well in a conference where HS recruiting is still the largest indicator of success. If any other school besides Bama made this hire, people would be pointing that out. But people think Bama as a brand is just going to keep it going.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I still think it‘s a pretty good hire especially given the timing but yeah DeBoer has to prove he can build a roster at the highest level through high school recruiting which is a question mark to this point. It doesn’t mean it can’t happen but there’s currently no track record of it.

Even at Washington most of the talented in house players were from the previous regime & he just hit the portal hard getting older players to supplement them. He left before it was time to turn over the roster.

 

[renberg]

Head coaches are very involved with recruiting, not just on the last couple of days. Kirby personally recruited KJ Bolden for four years and it took up until signing day to finally get him committed.

Obviously, all teams have huge recruiting staffs, but it looks like DeBoer is bringing in most of his staff from UW, most of which have no background in recruiting the southeast, nor were they particularly elite recruiters at Washington. I don't think that bodes well in a conference where HS recruiting is still the largest indicator of success. If any other school besides Bama made this hire, people would be pointing that out. But people think Bama as a brand is just going to keep it going.

HCs today are like CEOs of corporations. They can’t be in on every minute detail of recruiting and maintaining players. The delegate that down the line to coordinators, position coaches and grad assistants. When something significant occurs then the HC gets involved. Now with the portal and NIL situations there is more of a load on everyone. Yesterday Saban admitted that all of this has become too much for a 72 year old, such as himself, to carry.
Not to say that HCs aren’t interested in all aspects of the team but today’s model HC is a delegator not a dictator. Look at PSU, Franklin’s best skill is his ability to delegate control. In the case of Diaz it was almost a hands off situation for Franklin. He stayed out of the OC’s way until it was absolutely necessary for him to intervene. Rest assured that that’s how it goes with recruiting as well. The alums and supporters bring players to the attention of the program. Then the position coaches check out the player and up the ladder it goes. HCs do not usually get involved with recruiting until near the end unless the kid is a Manning level player.

 

[flyershockey]

HCs today are like CEOs of corporations. They can’t be in on every minute detail of recruiting and maintaining players. The delegate that down the line to coordinators, position coaches and grad assistants. When something significant occurs then the HC gets involved. Now with the portal and NIL situations there is more of a load on everyone. Yesterday Saban admitted that all of this has become too much for a 72 year old, such as himself, to carry.
Not to say that HCs aren’t interested in all aspects of the team but today’s model HC is a delegator not a dictator. Look at PSU, Franklin’s best skill is his ability to delegate control. In the case of Diaz it was almost a hands off situation for Franklin. He stayed out of the OC’s way until it was absolutely necessary for him to intervene. Rest assured that that’s how it goes with recruiting as well. The alums and supporters bring players to the attention of the program. Then the position coaches check out the player and up the ladder it goes. HCs do not usually get involved with recruiting until near the end unless the kid is a Manning level player.

I never said coaches don't delegate. Of course they can't be hands-on with every facet of the program. That's why they have a huge staff.

This is so far way from the original premise at this point. I don't think the hire is as can't miss as others think it to be. I guess we'll watch it play out over the next 2 or 3 years.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The happiest I’ve been about a Georgia coaching decision since the Monken hire. This is a big deal. They were already turning in 1OA type classes.

*Edit* Muschamp moving to an analyst position. Pinch me. I’m dreaming.

 

[Chinatown88]

Makes more sense but Miami? Oof

 

[FLYguy3911]

That Albany transfer needs a new home.

 

[flyershockey]

The happiest I’ve been about a Georgia coaching decision since the Monken hire. This is a big deal. They were already turning in 1OA type classes.

*Edit* Muschamp moving to an analyst position. Pinch me. I’m dreaming.

This smells like succession planning for Schumann's eventual HC gig somewhere else. Muschamp slides back onto the sideline as T-Rob's mentor/support guy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Ryan Grubb put out a statement on twitter stating he would not be the next Washington head coach either. It sounds like it could Arizona HC Jedd Fisch.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Shit. This is a fantastic hire.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Look, I get why you would ask for that if you were him but such a scumbag move.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They lost their stud RB to the portal that appears to be following Fisch to Washington, most assumed these two would follow as well or entertain other options elsewhere at least.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I guess the check bounced at Ole Miss.

 

[Chinatown88]

This might be a spicy one.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This might be a spicy one.

Safety/DB play is my favorite thing in football. If I get to watch a Downs-Starks combo, my skull will implode from joy overload.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’d imagine it’s either Georgia or Ohio State for Downs.

I do wonder if this is a potential ripple effect there for Alabama given he’s one of their best players.

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On another note Iowa still hasn’t hired an OC yet.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

@Chinatown88 @JojoTheWhale probably a name to store away for next year’s draft. He was only a second year player this year & was one of the best safety’s in the country according to PFF. I’d imagine his name starts getting more buzz in the draft community when they turn over to next year in the summer.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It looks like a bit of a ripple effect has indeed happened.

He started for them last year LT as a true freshmen. It was up & down points but he certainly flashed his potential last year at times. Another year of development you’d have to imagine he’s plug in LT for next year for most teams in the country so this could be a potential bidding war here. His finalists in high school were Alabama & Iowa.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It looks like a bit of a ripple effect has indeed happened.

He started for them last year LT as a true freshmen. It was up & down points but he certainly flashed his potential last year at times. Another year of development you’d have to imagine he’s plug in LT for next year for most teams in the country so this could be a potential bidding war here. His finalists in high school were Alabama & Iowa.

He's REALLY good. Wow.

I hope he does go to a place like Iowa, but I would imagine every big money program in the country comes calling with large offers.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

He's REALLY good. Wow.

I hope he does go to a place like Iowa, but I would imagine every big money program in the country comes calling with large offers.

Sounds like Iowa, already getting crystal balls on 247sports from their top writers/analysts.

I guess there could be time though for others to get involved which I’d imagine there would be a lot trying to make that pitch.

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Saban absolutely submarined Alabama & Washington by making his decision when he did. Fisch seemingly couldn’t convince his talented players from Arizona to come with him (which I’d imagine was Washington’s administration’s hope when hiring him to stop some of this bleeding). Washington at this point lost nearly its entire starting lineup from last year’s team to the draft, graduation, &/or portal. They haven’t replaced any of them at this point.

Alabama still has Milroe at least as a key piece but you probably just saw your best two other returning pieces in Downs & Proctor just walk with a good bit of depth too in the portal. Who knows what else goes now given you’re starting to lose key pieces.