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flyershockey said:
FSU looked much improved last night. It was only one game, but LSU looks like a team to regress a bit this year. They still don't have a lot of depth and their top end stars were pretty pedestrian. The OL still isn't very good and they're going to have to move that pocket a bunch again this year. Daniels still has a lot of potential but I'm not sure his stock improves as at all this year given what the offense will have to look like to keep him healthy.

Btw, for all the clock change speculation... that game was nearly four hours.
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The Baton Rouge boosters won’t stay patient for long, that’s for sure
 
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flyershockey said:
FSU looked much improved last night. It was only one game, but LSU looks like a team to regress a bit this year. They still don't have a lot of depth and their top end stars were pretty pedestrian. The OL still isn't very good and they're going to have to move that pocket a bunch again this year. Daniels still has a lot of potential but I'm not sure his stock improves as at all this year given what the offense will have to look like to keep him healthy.

Btw, for all the clock change speculation... that game was nearly four hours.
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I was heavy on FSU last night largely because they were a good regression candidate making weird decisions. It was hilarious seeing people find out in real time what their plan to use Perkins was. That info has been out there and barely anyone seemed to notice.

GKJ said:
The Baton Rouge boosters won’t stay patient for long, that’s for sure
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Yep. The expectation is that every coaching hire will win a Natty.

It seems nuts, but it’s also been true.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I was heavy on FSU last night largely because they were a good regression candidate making weird decisions. It was hilarious seeing people find out in real time what their plan to use Perkins was. That info has been out there and barely anyone seemed to notice.



Yep. The expectation is that every coaching hire will win a Natty.

It seems nuts, but it’s also been true.
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No, the expectation is that they win every year. They ran out guys who did exactly that, although I wouldn’t say Coach O was a great head boss. Don’t know that he’s Gene Chizik-bad though.
 
GKJ said:
The Baton Rouge boosters won’t stay patient for long, that’s for sure
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Yeah, the shine of year one will wear off quickly if they go 8-4 this year. I could see them needing 3-4 years after the Orgeron tear down before they get to the depth level needed to realistically compete in the SEC. You need waves of 4 and 5 start guys to go up against Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee (soon enough). For BK's sake, they will need to exercise a bit of patience.

But overall, basically every school has lost their mind with expectations (to whatever tier of the sport they belong in). The top 10 types think they should be a playoff/championship contender every year. Two regular season losses is unacceptable. Conference championships mean nothing unless in conjunction with a playoff win.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I was heavy on FSU last night largely because they were a good regression candidate making weird decisions. It was hilarious seeing people find out in real time what their plan to use Perkins was. That info has been out there and barely anyone seemed to notice.
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The Perkins inside experiment needs to go away. That takes the best part of his game away.

Nabers and Thomas weren't really that explosive either and both had drops. The RB room is by committee and lacks any HR ability. Smith is a good TE, but limited athletically. The whole offense just seems really mediocre. That and Daniels is going to be running for his life a bunch.
 
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flyershockey said:
The Perkins inside experiment needs to go away. That takes the best part of his game away.

Nabers and Thomas weren't really that explosive either and both had drops. The RB room is by committee and lacks any HR ability. Smith is a good TE, but limited athletically. The whole offense just seems really mediocre. That and Daniels is going to be running for his life a bunch.
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Jack Bech was someone I thought could fill an important role for them. That was a weird transfer.
 
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I didn't get the Perkins usage last night. Nabers feels overrated ATM.

Coleman over Wilson right now for me. But both are a lot better than I thought.
Didn't really hear much of Verse called last night. Heard more mentions about that sophomore EDGE.

Also Daniels can't throw well and that Oline is gonna get him shredded so he's gonna be running more for his life now.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
Jack Bech was someone I thought could fill an important role for them. That was a weird transfer.
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I'm not sure it would change with more options, but they seem pretty hellbent on using Smith as the 1A and 1B option. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall.
 
Chinatown88 said:
I didn't get the Perkins usage last night.
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Ok, so this is what he was recruited to do. Then he flashed so hard that they gave him that OLB/Jack combo role last year. It’s not dissimilar to Parsons, but Dallas was smart enough to not argue with results. Brian Kelly directly said in April that if they put him back outside, teams will game plan for him. So they’re not going to do that. They’re going to scheme him into plays from the inside. Somehow. This is where he practiced all spring.

Yes, this is incredibly dumb. I don’t know why no one outside of the LSU fanbase noticed until the games started. I only knew about it because it was mentioned on Split Zone Duo in their SEC preview episode.

TLDR; Brian Kelly is the Arizona Cardinals. Smartest guys in the room. Just ask them.
 
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renberg said:
In the ‘18 spring game at OSU, Burrow out performed Barrett and Haskins going 15-22 ; 238 yards and two TDs. Meyer wanted a better running QB than Burrow. JB saw the future and left town.
IMO, this was when fan support for Meyer started to crack. JB, a local kid, did not get a fair shake here. Living in Ohio among a bunch of avid Buckeye fans, there was a huge amount of unhappiness and disappointment with the way that Burrow was treated.
Then he went to LSU and from the beginning started to tear up the league. In ‘18 he twice won the SEC offensive player of the week. Almost 2900 yards in passing with 16 touchdowns along with 399 yards rushing and seven more touchdowns. It was the next season with a new offensive coordinator brought in from the Saints that he really went nuts and won the Heisman.
None of this was lost on Buckeye fans who to this day feel that if Burrow had stayed and been used properly by Meyer that OSU could have won two national championships.
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People take spring games seriously?
 
Beef Invictus said:
I would not take any QB who did their development at OSU.
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I'm not going to disagree that most OSU quarterbacks are weak bets. Jones, Pryor and Barrett were busts; the jury is still out on Fields and Stroud and I don't think either of them will make it big in the pros.
However Burrow is an outsider. He was there for three seasons, one being a red shirt year. He must have been developed to some degree while there since he hit the field at LSU in the fall of '18 and took off from there with an outstanding season less than five months after leaving Columbus. No doubt that he continued to improve while at Baton Rouge and beyond.
What is also obvious to many Buckeye fans is how good Burrow was/is and how did Meyer not see that? There's probably a story there that could come out some day. Actually I was talking with somme Buckeye fans last night about Burrow and the consensus was that he was the best QB in Columbus since Art Schlichter. Now AS had his off the field problems but on them he was pretty good until that gambling mess hit him.
 
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renberg said:
I'm not going to disagree that most OSU quarterbacks are weak bets. Jones, Pryor and Barrett were busts; the jury is still out on Fields and Stroud and I don't think either of them will make it big in the pros.
However Burrow is an outsider. He was there for three seasons, one being a red shirt year. He must have been developed to some degree while there since he hit the field at LSU in the fall of '18 and took off from there with an outstanding season less than five months after leaving Columbus. No doubt that he continued to improve while at Baton Rouge and beyond.
What is also obvious to many Buckeye fans is how good Burrow was/is and how did Meyer not see that? There's probably a story there that could come out some day. Actually I was talking with somme Buckeye fans last night about Burrow and the consensus was that he was the best QB in Columbus since Art Schlichter. Now AS had his off the field problems but on them he was pretty good until that gambling mess hit him.
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The people you spoke to are so full of shit Bobby Clarke is embarrassed for them.

Burrow is an outsider? What does that even mean? He was the local guy. Mr. Football in Ohio up against Haskins and the former Gatorade Player of the Year in Tate Martell. And now we’re retconning 2018 as outstanding?

Now don't get me wrong. Burrow was highly regarded as a recruit. I always hated that "Burrow was a 2-star" talking point. That was as a Junior. By his Senior year, he was a top 100 4 star. Ohio St has no need to take 2 stars.
 
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The revisionist history on Burrow is pretty weird. I suspect that it's some backwards way to "claim" Burrow by OSU fans, but he was buried in a deep room, knew it, and transferred as a result. He wasn't even guaranteed the starting job at LSU. They still had Myles Brennan who they were high on at the time as well. 2018 was a decent year, but nowhere close to the following year.

I'm interested to see what Clemson looks like tonight under Riley. He will have a lot more talent at Clemson and Klubnik seems like a perfect fit for him. FSU/Clemson could be a playoff deciding game down the road.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
The people you spoke to are so full of shit Bobby Clarke is embarrassed for them.

Burrow is an outsider? What does that even mean? He was the local guy. Mr. Football in Ohio up against Haskins and the former Gatorade Player of the Year in Tate Martell. And now we’re retconning 2018 as outstanding?

Now don't get me wrong. Burrow was highly regarded as a recruit. I always hated that "Burrow was a 2-star" talking point. That was as a Junior. By his Senior year, he was a top 100 4 star. Ohio St has no need to take 2 stars.
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He’s a POS but I actually saw a clip with Zach Smith explaining the behind the scenes of that. He said the whole staff thought Haskins was the better player at the time between him & Burrow.

He actually talked about how they almost messed up Haskins recruitment because Urban wouldn’t take him because he was too slow. Ryan Day wanted him from the start but didn’t get the green light until late in the process. They were lucky it didn’t turn Haskins off from them coming in late.
 
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I don’t know if they’re right yet or not, but Duke is telling you they think they can play these Clemson WRs straight up. Duke.
Hollywood Cannon said:
Just know he’s probably going to be ruining the ManningCast this year with Peyton posting their looking for a third host.
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Oh f*** me. No. Please no. Let it be another Manning. Archie, Cooper, Danny, whatever.
 
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