Nazem Kadri - Part 3

[TheVision]

Arrogant no, confident yes. I like that he is confident and actually shows a personality, which is so rare in NHL players. Most players are such a drag to watch in interviews, like watching paint dry. The league could really use more players like him, and less zombies.

Player interview: How do you think you guys did tonight, "Well you know, we skated hard and played a good team game. We just need to keep it up and the points will come".
So boring

And that's the difference, I don't view it as just confidence...it is absolutely arrogance, and it's been with him since he started in juniors. It's just a matter of opinion I suppose, but he's always come off like a cocky little brat. You like his personality, and I can't stand it...and there's nothing wrong with either of those, as long as you can step back and look at the overall player.

I can't stand Sidney Crosby, just can't stand him. But he's most likely the best hockey player in the world and if he helps Team Canada win Gold with his play, he can whine all he wants.

 

[King85Kong]

I do give him credit when it's due, absolutely!

And the bolded part, I agree with 100%. It's my opinion though that Kadri has not been the most receptive to learning. He constantly has to have a fire lit under him, which will become more than tedious if it continues. He's got talent coming out his wazoo...my complaint about him when slumping is simple: he was trying too hard to be THE MAN, to be the hyped player all his devotees want him to be, and he was making mistakes by trying too hard. Look at his last few weeks, he's kept his game relatively simple, and voila...results! When he tries to make pretty plays all the time, he makes big mistakes. When he stops trying to appease his ego, and just keeps his game as simple as it is right now...he'll be fine! I just hope he learns that!

True; at times he tries to do to much. Keep it simple and he will be fine.

 

[King85Kong]

And that's the difference, I don't view it as just confidence...it is absolutely arrogance, and it's been with him since he started in juniors. It's just a matter of opinion I suppose, but he's always come off like a cocky little brat. You like his personality, and I can't stand it...and there's nothing wrong with either of those, as long as you can step back and look at the overall player.

I can't stand Sidney Crosby, just can't stand him. But he's most likely the best hockey player in the world and if he helps Team Canada win Gold with his play, he can whine all he wants.

That's the thing, I think he needs that confidence, and thrives of it. He has so much talent, don't mind him taking chances, at times it pays off big. I just hope he never turns out like most, and stays entertaining. Fun to watch and listen to.

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

He does, he has a very long way to go to being a #1C as many have deemed him on here. I don't think Kadri will ever be a #1C in this league personally, but I know that's an unpopular view with his fanbase.

Bjugstad is 2 yrs younger and only played a third the games Kadri has, so yes he will make mistakes in his young career. But he certainly has the potential to be a top line centre, only time will tell. He certainly has the size and strength to take on the league's biggest players. So, with a few more years developing, Bjugstad has a chance to become that 1st line C indeed.

Oh the irony...

Bjustad is getting handed top line minutes, and yet still isn't scoring like Kadri did in his first full season. In fact, over 48 games Bjugstad has produced exactly HALF as what Kadri did over his 48 game rookie year last year.

But in your eyes, he has a better chance of becoming a #1 C than Kadri.

The grass is always greener for some I guess.

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

And that's the difference, I don't view it as just confidence...it is absolutely arrogance, and it's been with him since he started in juniors. It's just a matter of opinion I suppose, but he's always come off like a cocky little brat. You like his personality, and I can't stand it...and there's nothing wrong with either of those, as long as you can step back and look at the overall player.

I can't stand Sidney Crosby, just can't stand him. But he's most likely the best hockey player in the world and if he helps Team Canada win Gold with his play, he can whine all he wants.

Find me one instance where he's come off as a cocky little brat in an interview.

 

[Banic]

Oh the irony...

Bjustad is getting handed top line minutes, and yet still isn't scoring like Kadri did in his first full season. In fact, over 48 games Bjugstad has produced exactly HALF as what Kadri did over his 48 game rookie year last year.

But in your eyes, he has a better chance of becoming a #1 C than Kadri.

The grass is always greener for some I guess.

Bjugstad is getting harder minutes than Kadri did last year (sheltered) and at a younger age. Irony is the wrong word completely.

 

[bunjay]

Oh the irony...

Bjustad is getting handed top line minutes, and yet still isn't scoring like Kadri did in his first full season. In fact, over 48 games Bjugstad has produced exactly HALF as what Kadri did over his 48 game rookie year last year.

He's a year younger than Kadri was last year, and with a lot less pro experience.

 

[Banic]

Find me one instance where he's come off as a cocky little brat in an interview.

"Kudoos to them".

 

[Purity*]

Watch red-hot Kadri dominate the Sens tonight, it'll be exciting!

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

He's a year younger than Kadri was last year, and with a lot less pro experience.

1 year isn't all that much of a difference. In the Voracek vs. Kadri thread in the polls section, no one seems to care that Voracek is a year older.

We're not talking about a 5-10% point difference that can be chalked up to less pro experience, we are talking about literilly HALF the production through 48 games. I don't know how you can look at that and tell me Bjugstad has a better chance of being a #1 C.

 

[bunjay]

1 year isn't all that much of a difference. In the Voracek vs. Kadri thread in the polls section, no one seems to care that Voracek is a year older.

A full year of age and 159 games as a professional is actually quite a significant difference.

We're not talking about a 5-10% point difference that can be chalked up to less pro experience, we are talking about literilly HALF the production through 48 games.

I'm not sure how you decide what percentage difference is acceptable

I don't know how you can look at that and tell me Bjugstad has a better chance of being a #1 C.

I didn't, I just think your comparison is a bad one. Oh look he's played the same number of games as Kadri did last year, that puts everything into perspective.

Not really. He's a year younger, has two season's worth of pro experience less than Kadri did, plays on a much worse team, and probably gets harder matchups than Kadri did considering Kadri was vary sheltered.

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

A full year of age and 159 games as a professional is actually quite a significant difference.



I'm not sure how you decide what percentage difference is acceptable



I didn't, I just think your comparison is a bad one. Oh look he's played the same number of games as Kadri did last year, that puts everything into perspective.

Not really.

Guy, when you quote someone, do you even read what they were replying to?

Go see the original post I was replying to when you replied to me... TheVision was basically saying that Bjugstad has shown he has #1 C potential, while he thinks Kadri will never be a #1 C.

 

[zeke]

Bjugstad is a nice looking youngster. Really big, with good hands.

But he's also really slow.

He looks like he has a good chance to become a solid 2-way 2nd line C.

but he has nowhere near the skill that Kadri has, as the numbers clearly show.

 

[Duffman955]

Are you seriously comparing the .5PPG Bjugstad to the .82PPG Kadri?

Thats like comparing a 40pt center to a 65pt center. Dudes be hanging out with Rob ford too much.

 

[TheVision]

Are you seriously comparing the .5PPG Bjugstad to the .82PPG Kadri?

Thats like comparing a 40pt center to a 65pt center. Dudes be hanging out with Rob ford too much.

Sorry, I don't look strictly at points. And who's to say Bjugstad doesn't put up those numbers. I believe he will be a better NHL centre than Kadri, yes. But this is one of those, we'll have this discussion again in 3yrs. I'm leaving it at that.

 

[Duffman955]

Sorry, I don't look strictly at points. And who's to say Bjugstad doesn't put up those numbers. I believe he will be a better NHL centre than Kadri, yes. But this is one of those, we'll have this discussion again in 3yrs. I'm leaving it at that.

I don't give a flying **** what you believe, Facts say Kadri>>Bjuugstad.

Kadri brings more to the table in terms of intangibles and points. You have ZERO evidence, and can't back up your baseless opinion.

 

[Diatomic]

Sorry, I don't look strictly at points. And who's to say Bjugstad doesn't put up those numbers. I believe he will be a better NHL centre than Kadri, yes. But this is one of those, we'll have this discussion again in 3yrs. I'm leaving it at that.

Oh I see, your one of those Size>Skill kinda guys, I'm sure your a big fan of Tyler Biggs and David Clarkson. Good to know

 

[TheVision]

I don't give a flying **** what you believe, Facts say Kadri>>Bjuugstad.

Kadri brings more to the table in terms of intangibles and points. You have ZERO evidence, and can't back up your baseless opinion.

Feelings mutual Bud.

You may want to begin reading posts before you rant though.

 

[bunjay]

Guy, when you quote someone, do you even read what they were replying to?

Go see the original post I was replying to when you replied to me... TheVision was basically saying that Bjugstad has shown he has #1 C potential, while he thinks Kadri will never be a #1 C.

Like I said, I'm not saying I agree with the guy, which I guess you missed in your rush to get all full of righteous indignation. But that doesn't make your comparison less ******.

I don't give a flying **** what you believe, Facts say Kadri>>Bjuugstad.

Kadri brings more to the table in terms of intangibles and points. You have ZERO evidence, and can't back up your baseless opinion.

It's the moment a person brings up "intangibles" that I just can't keep reading

 

[bunjay]

Oh I see, your one of those Size>Skill kinda guys, I'm sure your a big fan of Tyler Biggs and David Clarkson. Good to know

I wonder why anybody thinks David Clarkson is a big player.

 

[TheVision]

Oh I see, your one of those Size>Skill kinda guys, I'm sure your a big fan of Tyler Biggs and David Clarkson. Good to know

Did I say Size>Skill?

It certainly doesn't hurt. But it's not at all the only attribute; Joe Colborne was a big boy, didn't know how to use his size. Bjugstad doesn't seem to have that problem.

He's one to watch, but just my opinion of course.

 

[Diatomic]

I wonder why anybody thinks David Clarkson is a big player.

He's not big, he's got a decent size and absolutely 0 skill

hence, size>skill player

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

Like I said, I'm not saying I agree with the guy, which I guess you missed in your rush to get all full of righteous indignation. But that doesn't make your comparison less ******.



It's the moment a person brings up "intangibles" that I just can't keep reading

You feel that gust? That was the point, flying right over your head.

It wasn't MY comparison. I'm not the one who derailed this thread with Nick Bjugstad.

I swear to God, only a Leaf fan can take what is at best the 3rd best piece on a 15th place perennial loser and derail a thread by saying he's better than the most offensively skilled young player on our 4th place team.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

LOL Kadri said the ACC crowd is close to as loud as leaf nation in Ottawa haaa.

 

[StringsAttached]

You feel that gust? That was the point, flying right over your head.

It wasn't MY comparison. I'm not the one who derailed this thread with Nick Bjugstad.

I swear to God, only a Leaf fan can take what is at best the 3rd best piece on a 15th place perennial loser and derail a thread by saying he's better than the most offensively skilled young player on our 4th place team.

Can't comprehend how people are saying Bjugstad > Kadri. When Kadri simplifies his game and plays with consistency he's among the elite. If a poll was made on the main boards it would be an absolute landslide in Kadri's favour.