Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[18leafsfan18]

That's not true. Matthews slightly bested the year priors numbers. It's Willy who fell off a cliff. Connor Brown scored 20 with Matthews too

I didn't look at the actual stats to be honest. I guess just more of an eye test.

However, this year Matthews line would have been considered a 2nd line, thus not playing against the other teams best shutdown players.

In my opinion if Leafs had Tavares-Marner and Matthews-Nylander it would be extremely hard for teams to match up against it. If they focused on 1 of those 2 lines the other would burn them. Just my opinion.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

An elite talent like Nylander should dominate 3rd line opponents, it would almost be unfair.
Why wouldn't any Leaf fan want that?

I’m fine with a balanced attack in the regular season, but in the playoffs we need to see our top 6 play more. Matthews and Tavares should be playing at least 20 minutes a night.

We’ve tried the balanced approach in the playoffs and it doesn’t seem to work.

 

[tuckertowns]

Kadri hate is strong here.

One cannot defend his suspension. But to me Kadri is the heart of the team. Plays with the most passion. I love him on our team and would be very upset if he is traded.

I completely agree. I love the energy and bite he brings. That being said, if he lands us Trouba without us adding, that would be a great trade for us.

 

[81Leafs50]

You do know that the team is allowed to trade players right? If you didnt know this my apologies.

and who are the Leafs trading for that score 30 goals?

 

[willmma]

I totally get how you feel, I used to feel exactly the same way. I still like all those things about Kadri but I would only be upset by a trade if we didn't get good value back for several reasons:

He has 3 years left on his contract, still attractive but not nearly as attractive as it will be next summer when he only has two years left and his value will keep declining as we get closer to the end of that contract.

He's maybe not as important to the team as he was a year ago because of his reduced role.

If we can't count on him to be available when it counts the most, perhaps we need a new "heart" anyway.

He's at that age where you start thinking about a decline anyway. Does it start happening this year, next year, 2-3 years from now or has it started already? This is always a consideration and if we trade him just before the decline kicks in then that's obviously a good thing.

I'm not one of those people that hates him or says we have to trade him. I can see good reasons to consider it though more than ever before, I'm more open to it than ever before and if we don't trade him, I know I'll be very afraid of how he behaves in the playoffs next spring, especially if we face Boston again (seems likely). All I can say is if we do keep him, we better take all the steps we can to prevent a repeat suspension and I ask the same questions I've asked before - did we take these steps during the last 12 months, if not then why not and if we did, then how can we possibly count on them working now when they didn't work before?

As much as I love the guy and have also thought of him as the heart of the team, I also know that no one player is critical to success and if he leaves, there absolutely will be life after Kadri.

Very well said. I can't argue with any of that. I'm just thinking with my heart.

 

[81Leafs50]

Maybe they will after they move Zaitsev and Marleau

hopefully these moves open up some cap space, but its likely Leafs have to take some salary back.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Very well said. I can't argue with any of that. I'm just thinking with my heart.

Sigh, I know how you feel. My head says that I'm OK with trading Kadri and I'm trying to get used to the idea in case it happens but my heart doesn't like it one bit. What I really want is for us to go really deep next year (ideally all the way deep) with Kadri right at the "heart" of things.

 

[81Leafs50]

Come back to reality.

You have a player who can score 16G at 4.5M.


Again, come back to reality.

The Leafs have already found AND upgraded on Kadri.

They signed Tavares.

There is $23M in Cs ahead of him. $30M if you count Nylander.

A+ for the rest of the drama and straw man. Dallas Eakins? Bravo.

SO are you denying that fact that...
2016-2017 he scored 32 goals
2017-2018 he scored 32 goals

????????

 

[81Leafs50]

and a better D? Yep.

Step out of the past.

I dont understand why you brought the Leafs defense into a convo about trading a good cheap 3C .... please elaborate as to what Kadri has to do with the defense?

 

[81Leafs50]

So on one hand, you're not blaming Kadri for the loss to Boston as we could have won without him. And on the other hand, you're just freaking out at the very idea of trading him. It's the same perpetual inconsistency that has some of us scratching our heads.

It would also be nice to have a 3C that we can count on to be allowed to play in the playoffs.

LEAFS DONT NEED KADRI. BUT THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE A 3C AT 4.5M OR LESS WHO CAN PRODUCE 30 GOALS AND 60PTS.

FANS shout trade trade trade.....but for what? who is the replacement? What is the cost?

why punch wholes into the lineup that are unnecessary?

 

[18leafsfan18]

LEAFS DONT NEED KADRI. BUT THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE A 3C AT 4.5M OR LESS WHO CAN PRODUCE 30 GOALS AND 60PTS.

FANS shout trade trade trade.....but for what? who is the replacement? What is the cost?

why punch wholes into the lineup that are unnecessary?

I understand you don't want Kadri moved, but why would they need a 3C that gets 30 goals and 60 points ?

The team had 100 points this season and Kadri had 16 Goals and 44 Points (Also without Nylander for most of the season).

I think everyone is on the same page, they like Kadri, but he is a very good trade piece (and expendable now based on Tavares). Depending on return, it may be the best move for the team.

 

[ULF_55]

He does?

I know it was early when you asked ... https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-off-seaon-wa...ppy-with-his-role-the-winnipeg-jets-1.1317473

However, I'd look at the Flames if Kadri is being dealt.

They are looking to move a defender, and I'd like to see Jankowski given the Leafs 3rd. line center spot.
They also want Frolik gone.

How to make it work for both teams?

Kadri, Brown,
for
Jankowski, Brodie

Someone adds a pick?

 

[Gary Nylund]

LEAFS DONT NEED KADRI. BUT THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE A 3C AT 4.5M OR LESS WHO CAN PRODUCE 30 GOALS AND 60PTS.

FANS shout trade trade trade.....but for what? who is the replacement? What is the cost?

why punch wholes into the lineup that are unnecessary?

Last season Kadri had 16 goals and 44 points.

You're surprised, yeah I know. It's OK, glad to help but going forward, do try to be better informed before posting, it makes for a more productive discussion. Thanks!

 

[Nithoniniel]

He does?

Saw it from some Winnipeg-based reporter. Not happy with role and ice time, apparently.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

SO are you denying that fact that...
2016-2017 he scored 32 goals
2017-2018 he scored 32 goals

????????

His role was bigger both those seasons, his role is going to keep getting smaller and smaller. This season he shouldn't be on the top power play either if he stays.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think Kadri is taking a bad rap on here.

Last season was a bad one no doubt BUT many extenuating circumstances.

#1 He falls to #3 on centre depth chart - like it or not it affects people when they get a demotion and no real defined role
#2 He played most of season short handed with Marleau on his left wing - yes he did play better when Willy was added but it took Willy 6 weeks to get back up to normal
#3 The team did not have anyone on roster to step against Bruins and he could not bear what was going on and the Marleau run clearly threw him over the deep end (it would most old school guys)

If we can get Trouba sure I am for that trade but I can't believe that is true. It seems far fetched.

I'd much rather have Kadri as my #3 centre because he cares about team and he is responsible defensively. With Moore and Willy on his wings I think you will see a return back to offensive form. Moore can drive play on forecheck and Willy can make delayed plays which Kadri loves.

 

[kb]

Roslovic wanting out is interesting. Him and a Trouba willing to extend would be quite the haul for a package with Kadri in it.

I'd add Kapanen and Dermott (I know...but....) to get that package.

 

[willmma]

I think Kadri is taking a bad rap on here.

Last season was a bad one no doubt BUT many extenuating circumstances.

#1 He falls to #3 on centre depth chart - like it or not it affects people when they get a demotion and no real defined role
#2 He played most of season short handed with Marleau on his left wing - yes he did play better when Willy was added but it took Willy 6 weeks to get back up to normal
#3 The team did not have anyone on roster to step against Bruins and he could not bear what was going on and the Marleau run clearly threw him over the deep end (it would most old school guys)

If we can get Trouba sure I am for that trade but I can't believe that is true. It seems far fetched.

I'd much rather have Kadri as my #3 centre because he cares about team and he is responsible defensively. With Moore and Willy on his wings I think you will see a return back to offensive form. Moore can drive play on forecheck and Willy can make delayed plays which Kadri loves.

very much all of this.

from the comments on this thread one would think he has gone full cat lady.

 

[ULF_55]

I understand you don't want Kadri moved, but why would they need a 3C that gets 30 goals and 60 points ?

The team had 100 points this season and Kadri had 16 Goals and 44 Points (Also without Nylander for most of the season).

I think everyone is on the same page, they like Kadri, but he is a very good trade piece (and expendable now based on Tavares). Depending on return, it may be the best move for the team.

I don't think they need a 3rd. line center to score 30 goals, but it would be nice to have a 3rd. line center that could defend against oppositions best offensive line.

A shutdown line with a center who can kill penalties and chip in some offense. Kadri is never going to be the Leafs permanent 2nd. line center.

Kadri scored over 30 goals twice.
Full Seasons goals: 20, 18, 17, 32, 32, 16.

If he was a 2nd. line center somewhere else maybe he gets back to those 30+ goals, but that isn't going to happen in Toronto. If you're a Kadri fans perhaps you'd want him moved to a team that will give him that opportunity again.

 

[kb]

LEAFS DONT NEED KADRI. BUT THEY DO HAVE TO REPLACE A 3C AT 4.5M OR LESS WHO CAN PRODUCE 30 GOALS AND 60PTS.

FANS shout trade trade trade.....but for what? who is the replacement? What is the cost?

why punch wholes into the lineup that are unnecessary?

Why when Justin Holl is #1 on the depth chart for RD do you want to fight to keep the Leafs #3C in a reduced role when it is obvious he will never approach his former numbers?? (remember, Zaitsev wants out)

Just beyond baffling.

 

[ACC1224]

I think Kadri is taking a bad rap on here.

Last season was a bad one no doubt BUT many extenuating circumstances.

#1 He falls to #3 on centre depth chart - like it or not it affects people when they get a demotion and no real defined role
#2 He played most of season short handed with Marleau on his left wing - yes he did play better when Willy was added but it took Willy 6 weeks to get back up to normal
#3 The team did not have anyone on roster to step against Bruins and he could not bear what was going on and the Marleau run clearly threw him over the deep end (it would most old school guys)

If we can get Trouba sure I am for that trade but I can't believe that is true. It seems far fetched.

I'd much rather have Kadri as my #3 centre because he cares about team and he is responsible defensively. With Moore and Willy on his wings I think you will see a return back to offensive form. Moore can drive play on forecheck and Willy can make delayed plays which Kadri loves.

Agree with this.

I always assumed one of Kadri or Nylander would go for cap reasons but if Marleau and Zaitsev leave I'm sure most would be happy keeping Kadri. I would.

 

[18leafsfan18]

I don't think they need a 3rd. line center to score 30 goals, but it would be nice to have a 3rd. line center that could defend against oppositions best offensive line.

A shutdown line with a center who can kill penalties and chip in some offense. Kadri is never going to be the Leafs permanent 2nd. line center.

Kadri scored over 30 goals twice.
Full Seasons goals: 20, 18, 17, 32, 32, 16.

If he was a 2nd. line center somewhere else maybe he gets back to those 30+ goals, but that isn't going to happen in Toronto. If you're a Kadri fans perhaps you'd want him moved to a team that will give him that opportunity again.

Completely agree.

In no way am I bashing him or saying he can't be a 30 goal guy again, but it likely doesn't happen in Toronto because (barring injuries) he will never be a 1 or 2 C.

That's why he is a great candidate for a trade, teams know he is capable of that with enough ice time, and the Leafs can afford to lose him because they now have Tavares.

 

[81Leafs50]

I understand you don't want Kadri moved, but why would they need a 3C that gets 30 goals and 60 points ?

The team had 100 points this season and Kadri had 16 Goals and 44 Points (Also without Nylander for most of the season).

I think everyone is on the same page, they like Kadri, but he is a very good trade piece (and expendable now based on Tavares). Depending on return, it may be the best move for the team.

I'm OK with moving Kadri. But at what cost and for who?

for example, Leafs trade Kadri for Trouba. Great Leafs need to RHD. But now what happens to 3C?

these are the options in terms of UFA's

9. Nico Sturm	MIN	24	C	Left	2	0	0	0	0.00	0	7	0.00	12:47	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$4,273,500	$925,000
10. Colin Wilson	COL	29	C, LW	Left	65	12	15	27	0.42	-6	104	0.12	13:33	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,937,500	$4,000,000
11. Marcus Krüger	CHI	29	C	Left	74	4	8	12	0.16	-2	74	0.05	10:24	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,083,333	$2,300,000
12. Valtteri Filppula	NYI	35	C, LW	Left	72	17	14	31	0.43	19	78	0.22	14:16	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
13. Zemgus Girgensons	BUF	25	C, LW	Left	72	5	13	18	0.25	-11	78	0.06	13:36	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,600,000	$1,600,000
14. Johan Larsson	BUF	26	C, LW	Left	73	6	8	14	0.19	-8	79	0.08	14:17	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,475,000	$1,550,000
15. Derek MacKenzie	-	38	C, LW	Left	1	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00	02:43	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,375,000	$1,100,000
16. Tom Pyatt	VAN	32	C	Left	37	0	2	2	0.05	-16	29	0.00	11:42	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,100,000	$1,200,000
17. Cédric Paquette	TBL	25	C, LW	Left	80	13	4	17	0.21	7	87	0.15	12:00	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
18. Eric Fehr	MIN	33	C, RW	Right	72	7	8	15	0.21	-8	67	0.10	11:02	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
19. Brian Gibbons	OTT	31	C	Left	64	8	11	19	0.30	-5	50	0.16	10:19	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
20. Nick Cousins	ARI	25	C, LW	Left	81	7	20	27	0.33	-8	144	0.05	13:32	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,050,000
21. Andrew Copp	WPG	24	C, LW	Left	69	11	14	25	0.36	20	82	0.13	12:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,100,000
22. Scott Laughton	PHI	25	C	Left	82	12	20	32	0.39	-11	130	0.09	14:51	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$962,500	$1,050,000
23. Curtis Lazar	CGY	24	C, RW	Right	1	0	0	0	0.00	-1	0	0.00	04:48	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$950,000	$1,050,000
24. Sebastian Aho	CAR	21	C, LW	Left	82	30	53	83	1.01	25	243	0.12	20:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
25. Zach Aston-Reese	PIT	24	C, RW	Left	43	8	9	17	0.40	12	76	0.11	13:39	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
26. Sam Vigneault	CBJ	23	C	Left	0	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00		-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
27. Vinni Lettieri	NYR	24	C, RW	Right	27	1	2	3	0.11	-7	40	0.03	10:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
28. David Kämpf	CHI	24	C, RW	Left	63	4	15	19	0.30	-6	72	0.06	13:55	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
29. Adam Johnson	PIT	25	C, LW	Left	6	0	2	2	0.33	2	3	0.00	05:18	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
30. Dominic Toninato	COL	25	C	Left	2	1	0	1	0.50	0	1	1.00	06:42	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
31. Alexander Kerfoot	COL	24	C, LW	Left	78	15	27	42	0.54	-9	116	0.13	14:52	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
32. Dylan Gambrell	SJS	22	C	Right	8	0	0	0	0.00	1	6	0.00	08:37	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
33. Antti Suomela	SJS	25	C	Left	27	3	5	8	0.30	1	42	0.07	11:19	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
34. Sheldon Dries	COL	25	C	Left	40	3	3	6	0.15	-7	44	0.07	09:04	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000

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[81Leafs50]

Last season Kadri had 16 goals and 44 points.

You're surprised, yeah I know. It's OK, glad to help but going forward, do try to be better informed before posting, it makes for a more productive discussion. Thanks!

2016-2017 he scored 32 goals
2017-2018 he scored 32 goals

ya I know, your surprised.

 

[18leafsfan18]

I'm OK with moving Kadri. But at what cost and for who?

for example, Leafs trade Kadri for Trouba. Great Leafs need to RHD. But now what happens to 3C?

these are the options in terms of UFA's

9. Nico Sturm	MIN	24	C	Left	2	0	0	0	0.00	0	7	0.00	12:47	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$4,273,500	$925,000
10. Colin Wilson	COL	29	C, LW	Left	65	12	15	27	0.42	-6	104	0.12	13:33	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,937,500	$4,000,000
11. Marcus Krüger	CHI	29	C	Left	74	4	8	12	0.16	-2	74	0.05	10:24	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,083,333	$2,300,000
12. Valtteri Filppula	NYI	35	C, LW	Left	72	17	14	31	0.43	19	78	0.22	14:16	-	-	-	-	-	NMC	UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
13. Zemgus Girgensons	BUF	25	C, LW	Left	72	5	13	18	0.25	-11	78	0.06	13:36	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,600,000	$1,600,000
14. Johan Larsson	BUF	26	C, LW	Left	73	6	8	14	0.19	-8	79	0.08	14:17	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,475,000	$1,550,000
15. Derek MacKenzie	-	38	C, LW	Left	1	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00	02:43	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,375,000	$1,100,000
16. Tom Pyatt	VAN	32	C	Left	37	0	2	2	0.05	-16	29	0.00	11:42	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,100,000	$1,200,000
17. Cédric Paquette	TBL	25	C, LW	Left	80	13	4	17	0.21	7	87	0.15	12:00	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
18. Eric Fehr	MIN	33	C, RW	Right	72	7	8	15	0.21	-8	67	0.10	11:02	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
19. Brian Gibbons	OTT	31	C	Left	64	8	11	19	0.30	-5	50	0.16	10:19	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
20. Nick Cousins	ARI	25	C, LW	Left	81	7	20	27	0.33	-8	144	0.05	13:32	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,050,000
21. Andrew Copp	WPG	24	C, LW	Left	69	11	14	25	0.36	20	82	0.13	12:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$1,000,000	$1,100,000
22. Scott Laughton	PHI	25	C	Left	82	12	20	32	0.39	-11	130	0.09	14:51	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$962,500	$1,050,000
23. Curtis Lazar	CGY	24	C, RW	Right	1	0	0	0	0.00	-1	0	0.00	04:48	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$950,000	$1,050,000
24. Sebastian Aho	CAR	21	C, LW	Left	82	30	53	83	1.01	25	243	0.12	20:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
25. Zach Aston-Reese	PIT	24	C, RW	Left	43	8	9	17	0.40	12	76	0.11	13:39	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
26. Sam Vigneault	CBJ	23	C	Left	0	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00		-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
27. Vinni Lettieri	NYR	24	C, RW	Right	27	1	2	3	0.11	-7	40	0.03	10:09	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
28. David Kämpf	CHI	24	C, RW	Left	63	4	15	19	0.30	-6	72	0.06	13:55	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
29. Adam Johnson	PIT	25	C, LW	Left	6	0	2	2	0.33	2	3	0.00	05:18	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
30. Dominic Toninato	COL	25	C	Left	2	1	0	1	0.50	0	1	1.00	06:42	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
31. Alexander Kerfoot	COL	24	C, LW	Left	78	15	27	42	0.54	-9	116	0.13	14:52	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
32. Dylan Gambrell	SJS	22	C	Right	8	0	0	0	0.00	1	6	0.00	08:37	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
33. Antti Suomela	SJS	25	C	Left	27	3	5	8	0.30	1	42	0.07	11:19	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000
34. Sheldon Dries	COL	25	C	Left	40	3	3	6	0.15	-7	44	0.07	09:04	-	-	-	-	-		RFA	$925,000	$925,000

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Way easier for Leafs to get a 3 C though trade, free agency or within the system then to find a capable RHD.

There is no reason a 3C needs to get 30 goals and 60 points (No clue where your list comes from).

The reason people are talking about trading Kadri is because he has a ton of value, not because they don't like him of think he is bad.