World Cup: National Team threads #2
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Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Oh, the horror! Receiving perks for my talents!
If at least I thought you were honest as opposed to just crying because France can't hoard every single player.
TheMoreYouKnow
Registered User
I disagree on Klopp. His system isn't that complex (it's in fact much simpler than what Germany has been trying to play). His success comes from his communicative and motivational ability not from intricate tactics. It's definitely doable for a national team, but in any event that was just one example.
I could have just said - look how far Croatia got in tournaments with a squad full of questionable guys and just a couple of elite players. And if you take offense to that, I could also refer to Germany's 2014 squad - which had plenty of holes that people could have pointed at to explain an early exit if, say, that Algeria match is actually lost. Some of that is luck, but some of it is also down to creating a successful team where guys know what their role is and execute it, where guys go the extra mile and so forth.
But of course such a team is a fragile thing and doesn't last forever. Jogi's downfall was that he continued to operate on assumptions that worked when he had Lahm and Schweinsteiger and prime Hummels/Boateng at the back. And Flick to some extent continued chasing that mirage. That doesn't mean that's the only way Germany could play, it's just the way those guys knew. And when there's a disconnect between what managers say and demand and the reality on the pitch, players eventually stop listening and stop taking instructions seriously. Flick ultimately failed because he couldn't adjust tactics to personnel and as a result the personnel stopped taking him seriously. The new manager's first task is to restore the players' confidence in the team's leadership.
Les citations déformées de Karim Benzema sur l’équipe de France et l’Algérie
Critiqué pour sa sortie contre Didier Deschamps, l’attaquant est aussi victime de messages qui déforment d’anciens propos sur la sélection.
www.lemonde.fr
Receiving perks.... Hahaha, the laughable argument...
And the link above should educate you on the Benzema case that you apparently know nothing about except right wing shit.
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
You should read your own posts if you expect anyone else to
I was optimistic about Flick initially because I watched the team play, it was radically different than we played under Jogi. It's just gone to s*** since Qatar and he's been unable to right the ship.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Les citations déformées de Karim Benzema sur l’équipe de France et l’Algérie
Critiqué pour sa sortie contre Didier Deschamps, l’attaquant est aussi victime de messages qui déforment d’anciens propos sur la sélection.
Receiving perks.... Hahaha, the laughable argument...
And the link above should educate you on the Benzema case that you apparently know nothing about except right wing shit.
LOL, from the article:
Les citations déformées de Karim Benzema sur l’équipe de France et l’Algérie
Luis Fernandez : « Karim, alors, la sélection algérienne, est-ce que pour toi c’est possible ou c’est plus possible la sélection française… »
Karim Benzema : « Ben… Non… Tout à l’heure j’ai eu une discussion avec le président [et] l’entraîneur, on a bien parlé maintenant moi je dis l’Algérie, voilà… C’est le pays de mes parents, c’est dans le cœur. Mais bon après sportivement, c’est vrai que je jouerai en équipe de France. Je serai là toujours présent pour l’équipe de France. »
Luis Fernandez : « Si j’ai bien compris t’as fait un choix, ton choix à toi se porte sur l’équipe de France. »
Karim Benzema : « Ouais voilà. »
Luis Fernandez : « C’est pas l’Algérie... »
Karim Benzema : « Non. »
Florian Genton: « A un moment donné vous vous êtes posé la question quand même Karim ou directement vous vous êtes dit c’est l’équipe de France pour le côté sportif ? »
Karim Benzema : « Ben… C’est plus pour le côté sportif, parce que l’Algérie c’est mon pays, voilà, mes parents ils viennent de là-bas. Après, la France… C’est plus sportif, voilà. »
And are you denying that he refused to sing the national anthem?
Oh, and another gem from Benzema:
Dans une interview à So Foot en décembre 2011, le footballeur jugeait que les supporteurs français sont « dans un délire bizarre. En gros, si je marque, je suis français, mais si je ne marque pas ou qu’il y a des problèmes, je suis arabe. »
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Are you serious?
In the article, Benzema says that Algeria is his country and in his heart and that France is more for the sporting side. Furthermore, he goes on to say that when he scores he's French but when there's a problem, he's Arab.
Does that sound like someone who played for France out of national pride? Christ, how oblivious can you be?
Yup, right wing extremist bias.
Incredible.
You're now the Mme Le Pen of this board.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Just to help :
L’histoire retient moins qu’il a aussi dit : « C’est un rêve pour moi de jouer pour l’équipe de France », qu’il raconte à l’envi que c’est dans la région de Lyon (à Bron, où il a grandi) qu’il se sent le mieux, ou encore qu’il affirme que ne pas avoir été sélectionné en équipe de France pour l’Euro 2016 a été le plus gros coup dur de sa carrière.
French is a tough langage I know. Not easy for some.
Sorry Mme Le Pen, people aren't idiots. They can actually read.
L’histoire retient moins qu’il a aussi dit : « C’est un rêve pour moi de jouer pour l’équipe de France », qu’il raconte à l’envi que c’est dans la région de Lyon (à Bron, où il a grandi) qu’il se sent le mieux, ou encore qu’il affirme que ne pas avoir été sélectionné en équipe de France pour l’Euro 2016 a été le plus gros coup dur de sa carrière.
French is a tough langage I know. Not easy for some.
You're literaly doing EXACTLY what they're doing : taking only the parts you want and not bringing the others.Me right-wing?
Either refute what I'm saying with actual facts or be quiet.
Sorry Mme Le Pen, people aren't idiots. They can actually read.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Yeah, so he's talked out of both sides of his mouth.
I know what I believe in when a guy refuses to sing the national anthem and calls France racist every five seconds (which he's right).
And we both know what Euro 16 was about. Valbuena.
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
Yeah. There was a lot of experimenting to be done since 2016 that only started happening 2 years ago, so there's little stability or cohesion.
A lot of the things Flick tried out where interesting ideas on paper and worth testing, but they were not going to be successful without giving them time, or building them on top of a pre-existing cohesion that we just have had since 2014-2016.
Whoever takes over needs to start to establish a consistent group defensively and let them settle in together...and it can't include Süle & Rüdiger. Both are just too high-event defenders to pair together, even if surrounded by a more traditional 6 + defensive FBs.
Part of me wants to replace both of them and just live with whatever growing pains a Schlotterbeck - Thiaw partnership has to go through...and start integrating Martel at the 6. Although if it's Nagelsmann that gets the job, I'd give Süle another go, as JN seems to know how to get the most out of big Nik.
Almost nobody sang the anthem in 84. Platini didn't feel french?
And 2016 wasn't about Valbuena. It was about Benz acting like shit and getting what he deserved. Had nothing to do with origin or race (though for sure the right wing extremists loved it, using your own words of this thread).
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Yes, quite clearly as "their strength is".You should read your own posts if you expect anyone else to
I was optimistic about Flick initially because I watched the team play, it was radically different than we played under Jogi. It's just gone to s*** since Qatar and he's been unable to right the ship.
"I know what I believe in when a guy refuses to sing the national anthem"
So you know what to believe.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
I meant it wasn't Valbuena who was the reason. It was Benzema's own doing.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Yes, I know what I believe in when seeing Benzema's actions and the majority of his words. It's not just one thing bubs.
Majority?
Nope. The ONLY things Benzema said for his ENTIRE career that were negative, mostly when he was angry at not being selected for his own wrongdoings, are in the article.
Ignoring the VAST majority of Benzema saying he felt french, saying he loved France, saying he learnt his football in France, saying he was proud of playing for France, that it was his childhood dream, etc...
That's exactly far right talk.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Ben
Florian Genton: « A un moment donné vous vous êtes posé la question quand même Karim ou directement vous vous êtes dit c’est l’équipe de France pour le côté sportif ? »
Karim Benzema : « Ben… C’est plus pour le côté sportif, parce que l’Algérie c’est mon pays, voilà, mes parents ils viennent de là-bas. Après, la France… C’est plus sportif, voilà. »
He was angry there too? Before anything ever happened?
I think you must genuinely be the only guy on the planet that thinks Benzema picked France out of national pride. Man, never change. The amount of blacks and maghrebins who must snicker behind your back.
Florian Genton: « A un moment donné vous vous êtes posé la question quand même Karim ou directement vous vous êtes dit c’est l’équipe de France pour le côté sportif ? »
Karim Benzema : « Ben… C’est plus pour le côté sportif, parce que l’Algérie c’est mon pays, voilà, mes parents ils viennent de là-bas. Après, la France… C’est plus sportif, voilà. »
He was angry there too? Before anything ever happened?
I think you must genuinely be the only guy on the planet that thinks Benzema picked France out of national pride. Man, never change. The amount of blacks and maghrebins who must snicker behind your back.
He literally said so Mme Le Pen.Ben
Florian Genton: « A un moment donné vous vous êtes posé la question quand même Karim ou directement vous vous êtes dit c’est l’équipe de France pour le côté sportif ? »
Karim Benzema : « Ben… C’est plus pour le côté sportif, parce que l’Algérie c’est mon pays, voilà, mes parents ils viennent de là-bas. Après, la France… C’est plus sportif, voilà. »
He was angry there too? Before anything ever happened?
I think you must genuinely be the only guy on the planet that thinks Benzema picked France out of national pride. Man, never change. The amount of blacks and maghrebins who must snicker behind your back.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Yo Evilo, I can also tell you that I like you. Doesn't mean it's true.
Even when confronted about the national anthem, all he said was that him singing wouldn't make him score a hat-trick, that he liked the team and that it was a dream to play for the French team only to end it with 'no one is going to force me to sing La Marseillaise'
By the way, I have no issue with whether he sings or not. It's his business. But come on man, to think it's not telling with everything else he's said and done, what a joke.
So when he says one thing it's true, when he says another it's not but YOU decide when it is when it fits your far right agenda.Yo Evilo, I can also tell you that I like you. Doesn't mean it's true.
Even when confronted about the national anthem, all he said was that him singing wouldn't make him score a hat-trick, that he liked the team and that it was a dream to play for the French team only to end it with 'no one is going to force me to sing La Marseillaise'
By the way, I have no issue with whether he sings or not. It's his business. But come on man, to think it's not telling with everything else he's said and done, what a joke.
And no, most players don't sing the anthem and I couldn't care any less.
Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
The mental gymnastics required to transmogrify “the colonial power shouldn’t get to pick and choose the identity and national affiliation of the colonized” into somehow a right wing position is genuinely remarkable
