World Cup: National Team threads #2

[luiginb]

@Spring in Fialta would you have played for Canada or Morocco?

 

[Evilo]

Mario Lemina was paid 10k and a car to represent Gabon. This is yet another example.

That poster is surely just fine with that. WBS probably thinks he should set fire to french cars too.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

@Spring in Fialta would you have played for Canada or Morocco?

Morocco. More competitive. I still feel both fully Canadian and Moroccan in my personal life.

 

[Evilo]

And Lemina, just like Aouar, was annonced as seleted for the gabonese selection (Aouar for Algeria obviously) but then rejected it in the newspaper until he got the money and the car.
Aouar is using the same tactics, word per word.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

And Lemina, just like Aouar, was annonced as seleted for the gabonese selection (Aouar for Algeria obviously) but then rejected it in the newspaper until he got the money and the car.
Aouar is using the same tactics, word per word.

Wait wait wait, back up a sec! Professional athletes are using *gasp* leverage? To *gasp* secure their financial positions? The f***ing audacity!

 

[Spring in Fialta]

@Evilo Still waiting for a credible link on what you're saying about Aouar.

 

[Evilo]

And the thing that me and @Spring in Fialta have taken umbrage with, the whole way along, has been you saying that Aouar isn't really Algerian because he's spent his life in France. Which is, coming from a French dude, extremely f***ing racist.

Yes he is hardly algerian given his previous quotes AND the fact he's negociating. If he felt algerian, as most algerian fans have said, he :
1/ wouldn't have waited to play for Algeria because he only had one french NT selection
2/ waited his career to go down the drain to go play for Algeria
3/ negociated for months to get milk the algerian federation for money financial advantages

Almost all algerian fans are disgusted by his attitude.

Hilarious. So I'm going to assume you're just making shit up at this point because you're mad a guy who was never going to play a role on the French team bailed for Algeria.

Made about Aouar? Algerians are. French don't care. Guy won't play for the NT again anyway.
Think FFS. It's not hard.

WBS, if you want to talk about racism, please do. Because your words have certainly been a HUGE favor to racists. Your type of posts are EXACTLY what racists crave for.

If your issue was with youngsters being pressured, your solution would be that players shouldn't be locked into a national team selection until they're 21. Not that players should be barred from playing for countries they've never lived in.

How would that solve the 16 year old being pressured?
Oh yes, it wouldn't.
Good job.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Yes he is hardly algerian given his previous quotes AND the fact he's negociating. If he felt algerian, as most algerian fans have said, he :
1/ wouldn't have waited to play for Algeria because he only had one french NT selection
2/ waited his career to go down the drain to go play for Algeria
3/ negociated for months to get milk the algerian federation for money financial advantages

Almost all algerian fans are disgusted by his attitude.

And almost all Algerians aren't professional football players. Nor are they privy to his personal life/bank account. What they think doesn't really mean a thing about who Aouar is. Is Hakimi more Moroccan because he wanted to play for Morocco since the start? I wouldn't be comfortable making that judgement call because I'm not an asshole.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Well I am apparently, as are most Algerians.
Because all of them feel like Aouar is much less of an Algerians than Boudebouz.

The average Algerian doesn't get to decide how Aouar feels about his heritage.

Your lack of insight is astounding. Stop trying to talk like you're an honorary Algerian or something.

 

[Evilo]

Algerians on Twitter have found videos of Aouar claiming his love for the french jersey and explaining why he made the choice of playing for France rather than Algeria because great footballers play for France.
Yeah they love it.

 

[bluesfan94]

Criticizing someone for their choice to represent a country feels really imperious.

 

[Evilo]

Anyway, good news : FFF is meeting tomorrow and hopefully kick Le Graet out. Well done to Mbappe who quickly reacted on Twitter after the radio show.

 

[Incubajerks]

Think when PSG will finally be able to buy the champions. We are also quite lucky that French teams have never won anything and continue to do so, otherwise the situation would have been even more dramatic.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Let me remove France from the equation entirely for a second.

Take Mesut Ozil. When the 2018 WC went awry, the whole thing was that Mesut Ozil is Turkish, not German. It was obviously racist as shit.

Mesut Ozil, unambiguously, feels deeply and strongly connected to his Turkishness while also being German. Had he, as a young player, decided he wanted to play for Turkey instead of Germany, and Germans had said “he’s not really Turkish”, it would also be racist as shit.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

While encouraging people burning things in their own country is clearly NOT unhinged in WBS's little black and white world.


If
1/ Turkey had pressued him since he was 16, I'd have a problem with that
2/ if Ozil had said "yeah I'd love to play for Turkey, but I want you to pay me 10k and a car".

yeah I'd have a problem with both.
Do I have a problem with Ozil playing for Turkey the way it happenned? Nope.

It really is easy.

But again, I’m PLEADING with you to understand this, it is not up to Germans to determine whether or not Ozil is sufficiently Turkish.

Just as it is not up to you to determine whether or not Aouar is sufficiently Algerian.

 

[Joey Banana]

Let me remove France from the equation entirely for a second.

Take Mesut Ozil. When the 2018 WC went awry, the whole thing was that Mesut Ozil is Turkish, not German. It was obviously racist as shit.

Mesut Ozil, unambiguously, feels deeply and strongly connected to his Turkishness while also being German. Had he, as a young player, decided he wanted to play for Turkey instead of Germany, and Germans had said “he’s not really Turkish”, it would also be racist as shit.

The Özil drama was mostly about associating with Erdogan. The early exit and racists on social media coming out of the woodworks obviously made things a lot worse.


But people forget Gündogan was right there with him. He apologized for the pic and took the lead in addressing the racism against PoC on the NT while acknowledging his mistake. Özil didn't and retired, that was his choice.

Both Greiss and Rüdiger also screwed up, apologized, and weren't torn to bits by the german media. Only when he did it again, was Greiss banned. It's a pretty consistent albeit strict line.

'Racist as shit' is a stretch all things considered.

 

[Harry22]

Lloris is also a one of the insecure POS along with that twerp griezmann et pogba who kept Benzema away from the NT because thr
et saw themselves as leaders
lol Antoine and Paul thinking they are leaderd

Yes not like they had any success without Benzema. All the players you mentioned have a World Cup trophy.

 

[Power Man]

Yes not like they had any success without Benzema. All the players you mentioned have a World Cup trophy.

So?
Except 2022

 

[Harry22]

So?
Except 2022

World Champions, World runners-up and Euro finalists without Benzema.

World Cup QF loss, Euro round of 16 loss with Benzema.

There is also no truth to the story that Lloris didn’t want him on the team. This isn’t the Nasri situation.

 

[cgf]

The Özil drama was mostly about associating with Erdogan. The early exit and racists on social media coming out of the woodworks obviously made things a lot worse.


But people forget Gündogan was right there with him. He apologized for the pic and took the lead in addressing the racism against PoC on the NT while acknowledging his mistake. Özil didn't and retired, that was his choice.

Both Greiss and Rüdiger also screwed up, apologized, and weren't torn to bits by the german media. Only when he did it again, was Greiss banned. It's a pretty consistent albeit strict line.

'Racist as shit' is a stretch all things considered.

Ilkay also wasn't anywhere near as well known by non-football fans as Mesut. Yes Özil's behavior was different than Gundo's, but the treatment he received was different long before that. I'm not going to argue about labels and whether it was racist as shit, unpleasantly xenophobic, or just unwelcoming...but it showed an ugly side of our society that does still very much exist.

But I don't want to rehash all that yet again. There was an obvious double standard for Mesut, even in comparison to Ilkay...who was much more actively involved with Erdogan, investing in Erdogan projects back in turkey, despite doing the PR stuff better after that pic blew up.

Not sure bringing Rüdiger up is a great example of our athletes not feeling bigotry from us civilians considering that's a topic Rudi has given multiple interviews on. We may not be as bad as some other cultures, but we can still do much better at making every german feel more welcome and not falling to tribalism when things get difficult.


EDIT:
Anyways, I came here to b**** about Müller un-retiring lol. I guess I don't mind having him on the bench to fire the kids up & kick people in their asses when needed...but he needs to be a coach more than a player for the NT at this point.

It's just time to turn things over to Sane, Musiala, Wirtz, Havertz, Adeyemi, Gnabry, Brandt, Burkardt, Schade, Knauff, etc. in the spaces behind Moukoko / Werner / Füllkrug / Nmecha.

 

[Joey Banana]

Ilkay also wasn't anywhere near as well known by non-football fans as Mesut. Yes Özil's behavior was different than Gundo's, but the treatment he received was different long before that. I'm not going to argue about labels and whether it was racist as shit, unpleasantly xenophobic, or just unwelcoming...but it showed an ugly side of our society that does still very much exist.

But I don't want to rehash all that yet again. There was an obvious double standard for Mesut, even in comparison to Ilkay...who was much more actively involved with Erdogan, investing in Erdogan projects back in turkey, despite doing the PR stuff better after that pic blew up.

Not sure bringing Rüdiger up is a great example of our athletes not feeling bigotry from us civilians considering that's a topic Rudi has given multiple interviews on. We may not be as bad as some other cultures, but we can still do much better at making every german feel more welcome and not falling to tribalism when things get difficult.


EDIT:
Anyways, I came here to b**** about Müller un-retiring lol. I guess I don't mind having him on the bench to fire the kids up & kick people in their asses when needed...but he needs to be a coach more than a player for the NT at this point.

It's just time to turn things over to Sane, Musiala, Wirtz, Havertz, Adeyemi, Gnabry, Brandt, Burkardt, Schade, Knauff, etc. in the spaces behind Moukoko / Werner / Füllkrug / Nmecha.

Don't get me wrong, i feel bad for Özil even if he mishandled things. You made a good point about there being a double standard in regards to him and Gündogan though, i hadn't really considered that before.

I only mentioned Rüdiger because he, like Greiss, got into trouble for liking some social media post. If you ask me that's all going too far, policing athletes off the pitch/ice like that.

And yeah, Müller not retiring is...interesting. I worry he was asked not to, don't really mind if he wants to keep that door open for himself. It's up to Flick to slam it shut lol.

 

[cgf]

Don't get me wrong, i feel bad for Özil even if he mishandled things. You made a good point about there being a double standard in regards to him and Gündogan though, i hadn't really considered that before.

I only mentioned Rüdiger because he, like Greiss, got into trouble for liking some social media post. If you ask me that's all going too far, policing athletes off the pitch/ice like that.

And yeah, Müller not retiring is...interesting. I worry he was asked not to, don't really mind if he wants to keep that door open for himself. It's up to Flick to slam it shut lol.

Don't remember the rudi drama, but yeah. As long as you're not liking nazi s***, I don't really care or think it matters.

Yeah, Müller is difficult to respond too. Especially with us not having any qualifiers to play, I had hoped that this would be an opportunity to focus on blooding in the new generation.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Müller is still fine but he can't just be thrown anywhere on the pitch and be expected to perform/produce. If he's played off an actual #9 he still has something to contribute, but he'll be sharing that role with others.

 

[cgf]

Müller is still fine but he can't just be thrown anywhere on the pitch and be expected to perform/produce. If he's played off an actual #9 he still has something to contribute, but he'll be sharing that role with others.

He's not a better option in that spot than Musiala, Wirtz, Havertz, or even Brandt anymore

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

He's not a better option in that spot than Musiala, Wirtz, Havertz, or even Brandt anymore

I disagree on a couple of those being a consistently better option and there are probably ways to include others of that grouping e.g. ditch Sanabry) in the same lineup if playing him.