OT: The OT Thread: To move or not to move, that is the question.

[Beerz]

I'd love to know how.

Unfortunately it cannot be discussed. You know.. politics and all.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Like most things, it has been a mix.

He has plenty of friends in art classes and chorus that are all different varieties of LGBTQIA+. He has a really diverse set of different friend groups including one where he is the only non-Asian kid in the group.

He has also had to deal with transphobic classmates. The worst incident was when he was going to the bathroom in a stall in a boys bathroom. A group of boys gathered outside the stall and threatened to beat him up when he came out. He just outwaited them and now tries to avoid going to the bathroom at school at all costs.

His district is pretty supportive. But, they cannot legislate out the hate in the hearts of homophobic and transphobic kids.

And then there was the time his older brother made a sarcastic comment to him for wearing a rainbow lei during Pride Week. Both of their friend groups were shocked because they didn't know they were brothers and it was a joke.

Yeah. They have it rough. I was pretty homophobic in HS, though I never bullied kids. We'd just throw the f word around like it was nothing. I didn't have a great attitude toward trans people, either, until my early 20s. It's been a journey of learning and past reflection.

I will say, actually knowing a family with a trans kid has opened my mind even more. Most of us our products to the environments we're raised in. It's good to venture out of your environment, and just try to view people as people. Even if it is a bit weird.

This is America afterall. A society that preaches freedom + has 350 million people living there will produce populations that some may find weird. It's the byproduct of letting people have the freedoms to explore themselves and express themselves. Humans are complex as hell afterall.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Jesus Christ either there is or there isn't political talk in here. Because it seems to me only one side of the politics gets to be discussed here.

You can think or feel about how you want about people, but treating people f***ing normal shouldn’t be political. Because once you eliminate certain people (either socially or any other way), it’s extremely easy to then demonize and give it another go.

I personally treat everyone how I want them to treat me. It doesn’t seem to cause any problems.

 

[truthbluth]

Do we really need to go down this path - there were things that happened from 2016-2020 that impacted our lives, 2020-2024 that impact our lives, and there will be things from 2024 on that will do so. Neither side is perfect, we dont need to dive down the hole this really isn't the place for this

Respectfully, that's horseshit. I'm about to be in a zero income family, and it's not because of larger economic forces, or as an indirect result of a policy change 12 months ago. It's because a billionaire technocrat is firing people without cause in order to install loyalists. If I can't call that out as infuriating because some people are too sensitive then this may as well be a 'good news only' thread, which would make it about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

 

[Beerz]

You can think or feel about how you want about people, but treating people f***ing normal shouldn’t be political. Because once you eliminate certain people (either socially or any other way), it’s extremely easy to then demonize and give it another go.

I personally treat everyone how I want them to treat me. It doesn’t seem to cause any problems.

Who is treating anybody horrible here?

Who is demonizing?

This is a lovely red herring

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Who is treating anybody horrible here?

Who is demonizing?

This is a lovely red herring

On here? Nobody. Laws and bills being introduced and passing? Look there. But that’s all I’m gonna say to that because then the conversation will become political.

 

[CowbellConray]

Respectfully, that's horseshit. I'm about to be in a zero income family, and it's not because of larger economic forces, or as an indirect result of a policy change 12 months ago. It's because a billionaire technocrat is firing people without cause in order to install loyalists. If I can't call that out as infuriating because some people are too sensitive then this may as well be a 'good news only' thread, which would make it about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

And when policies enacted in 2020 and 2021 impacted the economy and led to less spending in corporate environments, I watched 6000 people, including 10 people from my team, and over 50 people I knew personally in the company get let go in an effort to stay afloat.

Bad things happen every year. The situation we are in right now as a country is not different to 2020-2024 other than the "show" around it. At the end of the day, the economy and country are evolving (like they always do) and people are impacted. I'm sorry that right now it is you that is facing that concern. Two years ago it was me. Lived experiences may be different, but the society as a whole really isn't

 

[Beerz]

Respectfully, that's horseshit. I'm about to be in a zero income family, and it's not because of larger economic forces, or as an indirect result of a policy change 12 months ago. It's because a billionaire technocrat is firing people without cause in order to install loyalists. If I can't call that out as infuriating because some people are too sensitive then this may as well be a 'good news only' thread, which would make it about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

People are fired everyday.. this isn't some unique situation here. I have been terminated for silly political shit.
While I can empathize with your situation it doesn't change the fact that you get to spill all your venom for what you see and others who may have a different view on things are not allowed. Like I said ..your opinions don't bother me..when they can't be challenged..that bothers me.

 

[Jim Bob]

Yeah. They have it rough. I was pretty homophobic in HS, though I never bullied kids. We'd just throw the f word around like it was nothing. I didn't have a great attitude toward trans people, either, until my early 20s. It's been a journey of learning and past reflection.

I will say, actually knowing a family with a trans kid has opened my mind even more. Most of us our products to the environments we're raised in. It's good to venture out of your environment, and just try to view people as people. Even if it is a bit weird.

This is America afterall. A society that preaches freedom + has 350 million people living there will produce populations that some may find weird. It's the byproduct of letting people have the freedoms to explore themselves and express themselves. Humans are complex as hell afterall.

Actually knowing different people is a huge thing.

My cishet white son who is a college junior has talked about how much anti-Middle Eastern racism he has seen at college. And a lot of it is from other kids of color.

My son sees it differently because he had a HS friend and lacrosse teammates who was Muslim and an immigrant from Turkey. His parents didn't speak English. But, Nate met them and knew they were really nice people.

It's harder to blanketly hate people when you know people in whatever group is being hated on in the moment.

 

[TehDoak]

I ordered a drone that was shipping from China on Sunday (trying to beat the tariffs jacking up the price more).

He got into Kentucky and is currently holding. Thankfully its UPS not USPS.

 

[truthbluth]

And when policies enacted in 2020 and 2021 impacted the economy and led to less spending in corporate environments, I watched 6000 people, including 10 people from my team, and over 50 people I knew personally in the company get let go in an effort to stay afloat.

Bad things happen every year. The situation we are in right now as a country is not different to 2020-2024 other than the "show" around it. At the end of the day, the economy and country are evolving (like they always do) and people are impacted. I'm sorry that right now it is you that is facing that concern. Two years ago it was me. Lived experiences may be different, but the society as a whole really isn't

I just told you, this isn't an indirect result of a policy that may or may not have impacted me.
I'm angry about a specific act of firing people without cause. It's political, because my wife is a fed, but if I were bitching about a corporate CEO firing people to give handouts to his rich friends nobody would have issue with that. I'm griping about a specific action, by a specific person, and it is only incidentally political.

 

[Jim Bob]

I just told you, this isn't an indirect result of a policy that may or may not have impacted me.
I'm angry about a specific act of firing people without cause. It's political, because my wife is a fed, but if I were bitching about a corporate CEO firing people to give handouts to his rich friends nobody would have issue with that. I'm griping about a specific action, by a specific person, and it is only incidentally political.

Like most things in society today, it's "getting too political" when someone disagrees with the take.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I ordered a drone that was shipping from China on Sunday (trying to beat the tariffs jacking up the price more).

He got into Kentucky and is currently holding. Thankfully its UPS not USPS.

I saw a UPS truck here the other day and got really confused, as that company doesn’t operate in Canada. They usually hand it off to Purolater or Intellicom (or whatever it is now).

 

[CowbellConray]

I just told you, this isn't an indirect result of a policy that may or may not have impacted me.
I'm angry about a specific act of firing people without cause. It's political, because my wife is a fed, but if I were bitching about a corporate CEO firing people to give handouts to his rich friends nobody would have issue with that. I'm griping about a specific action, by a specific person, and it is only incidentally political.

Yea but "screw (you used a different word) anyone who supports this terror regime" plays into the idea that there is a regime that currently is enacting actions that are negative and anyone who supports any component of this regime can f off. I'm so sorry you are facing the situation you are, the hiring situation out in the US is not good right now (I'm sure you are aware).

It becomes political when you shift from being mad at a guy removing roles to "f anyone who supports the current regime". That's all.

Again, I am sorry for what you are dealing with - I never wish that on anyone

 

[truthbluth]

Yea but "screw (you used a different word) anyone who supports this terror regime" plays into the idea that there is a regime that currently is enacting actions that are negative and anyone who supports any component of this regime can f off. I'm so sorry you are facing the situation you are, the hiring situation out in the US is not good right now (I'm sure you are aware).

It becomes political when you shift from being mad at a guy removing roles to "f anyone who supports the current regime". That's all.

Again, I am sorry for what you are dealing with - I never wish that on anyone

Ok, but if your boss fired you, and a bunch of people around you were cheering him on, you'd have a similar feeling. Like I said, it's incidentally political. The only issue I've even talked about, is the firings.

 

[CowbellConray]

We're all in so much trouble when dad returns.

Sorry @Chainshot trying to bring a bit of humor to this thread. Partially my fault for bringing up moving a few days ago.

Yea... I fell into my own trap here getting started on conversations.

In other news, I spent a nice week in India for work a few weeks ago. What an interesting culture. Such giving people for having so little. It was a great experience and I can't wait to go back

 

[Dubi Doo]

Actually knowing different people is a huge thing.

My cishet white son who is a college junior has talked about how much anti-Middle Eastern racism he has seen at college. And a lot of it is from other kids of color.

My son sees it differently because he had a HS friend and lacrosse teammates who was Muslim and an immigrant from Turkey. His parents didn't speak English. But, Nate met them and knew they were really nice people.

It's harder to blanketly hate people when you know people in whatever group is being hated on in the moment.

Put all of these groups of people who hate other groups of people into a room and they'd either all kill each other, or come out of that room thinking 'hm...they're not THAT bad', haha.

Honesty, I feel for Muslim people. I've heard some wicked things said about them with all the stuff going down across seas. A nurse I work with wants to exterminate them all in certain regions of the world. "Bomb them all. I don't care about the kids" was the jest of what she was saying. Eye popping, hateful words. You should see her eyes when she talks about them. There is so much hatred and resentment. Freaky stuff.

Yea... I fell into my own trap here getting started on conversations.

In other news, I spent a nice week in India for work a few weeks ago. What an interesting culture. Such giving people for having so little. It was a great experience and I can't wait to go back

They're hard to ignore. I'm hoping my replies aren't considered political, though some are loaded topics, but I'm sure we can all agree that racists suck, right?!

 

[CowbellConray]

They're hard to ignore. I'm hoping my replies aren't considered political, though some are loaded topics, but I'm sure we can all agree that racists suck, right?!

Racism, sexism, and any hatred based on uncontrollable genetics are awful and repugnant. It's shocking that MLK's famous words are forgotten - content of character folks!

 

[Beerz]

Ok, but if your boss fired you, and a bunch of people around you were cheering him on, you'd have a similar feeling. Like I said, it's incidentally political. The only issue I've even talked about, is the firings.

I had half the country cheering on my firing.. took me years to recover if I even have now.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Actually knowing different people is a huge thing.

My cishet white son who is a college junior has talked about how much anti-Middle Eastern racism he has seen at college. And a lot of it is from other kids of color.

My son sees it differently because he had a HS friend and lacrosse teammates who was Muslim and an immigrant from Turkey. His parents didn't speak English. But, Nate met them and knew they were really nice people.

It's harder to blanketly hate people when you know people in whatever group is being hated on in the moment.

This is where the "college radicalizes kids" people miss the mark. It's not classes that make kids adjust their viewpoint, it's exposure to the people they've been raised to hate.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Yea... I fell into my own trap here getting started on conversations.

In other news, I spent a nice week in India for work a few weeks ago. What an interesting culture. Such giving people for having so little. It was a great experience and I can't wait to go back

Come to think of it. Maybe we can all delete/edit our posts before Chain gets back. Sort of like hiding the weed/alcohol before the parents come home from a mini vacation!

 

[CowbellConray]

Come to think of it. Maybe we can all delete/edit our posts before Chain gets back. Sort of like hiding the weed/alcohol before the parents come home from a mini vacation!

I actually need Chain to remove whatever from my posts is not appropriate so I know what to avoid moving forward lol. If I get caught with the bottle of alcohol and dad takes it away I know which bottle not to grab again!

 

[Ehran]

Yea... I fell into my own trap here getting started on conversations.

In other news, I spent a nice week in India for work a few weeks ago. What an interesting culture. Such giving people for having so little. It was a great experience and I can't wait to go back

Ahh... I'm so jealous. I was supposed to go to India (Bangalore) a few years ago before the pandemic struck. I wanted to go so badly. Had made some friends via work chats, etc., that I wanted to get a chance to meet.

I would have taken a week or two of vacation after the work visit just to stay and do the whole touristy thing.

 

[slip]

Come to think of it. Maybe we can all delete/edit our posts before Chain gets back. Sort of like hiding the weed/alcohol before the parents come home from a mini vacation!

I remember once in high school we had a party at my house when the parents were out of town for the weekend. We had a blast, then spent most of Sunday cleaning up. When I got home from school Monday the fam had already returned, and I was immediately punished for having a party. How did my mom know? We were so meticulous. Bottom line, she found the family room cleaner than when she left it. She knew her lazy ass son (as far a cleaning goes) was up to no good. Grounded for two weeks.

 

[Beerz]

Ahh... I'm so jealous. I was supposed to go to India (Bangalore) a few years ago before the pandemic struck. I wanted to go so badly. Had made some friends via work chats, etc., that I wanted to get a chance to meet.

I would have taken a week or two of vacation after the work visit just to stay and do the whole touristy thing.

No thanks to India.. a handful of animals legitimately scare me... and Tigers are at top of list