World Cup: National Team threads #2

[N o o d l e s]

I said out loud “Penalty” after ADM went down. It looked like a clear penalty live and in real time so then it comes down to VAR looking at it and overruling it. It doesn’t appear they had any doubt it was a pen either so not sure why were still arguing it

 

[Evilo]

Give it up. What about the kick on RDP by Mbappe ? Kounde getting away with wrestling di Maria to the ground ? Everyone apart from supporters of France say Marciniak did an excellent job. He correctly booked Thuram as well. If Argentina had not taken their foot off the pedal and Scaloni brought on fresh legal earlier France would not even had a sniff.

Not true and I've provided links from spanish and english journalists saying the contrary.
As for Thuram I provided the evidence it was a mistake.

I said out loud “Penalty” after ADM went down. It looked like a clear penalty live and in real time so then it comes down to VAR looking at it and overruling it. It doesn’t appear they had any doubt it was a pen either so not sure why were still arguing it

It wasn't a pen because ADM put his foot on Dembele's calf (not on purpose) while Dembele was running normally (so not his fault) and then ADM tripped himself (again, not on purpose).
The same way, Kolo Muani was touched (shoulder IIRC) but not enough to warrant a penalty. If you do call it a foul, then a booking is the minimum. Otamendi didn't receive anything.

 

[Corto]

Not controversial but when you harp on one side its not controversial its stupid... You ignore what the dutch did and ignore the missed call against Argentina. You come off as a Ronaldo fan boy who's butt hurt Messi won. You even admit how much you hate the team... I hate Madrid but it doesnt mean I refuse to have a rational conversation about them winning. If this is the angle you want to go for by all means... Guess I know what to do hf is blessed to offer ways to filter nonsense.

Huh? What does Real Madrid or Ronaldo has to do with any of this?
I don't care that Messi won or lost. Or how it makes or doesn't make Ronaldo look. I don't care about Portugal one bit.
Those two are #1 and #2 to ever play the game, and this tournament did nothing to change that. Messi was #1 before this tournament, and if Argentina went out in the first round, that wouldn't have changed.
What the actual F lol, Real Madrid Ronaldo ahahahaha...

So... Memes aside. And gratz btw, Argentina won, enjoy. I would.

My issues is with the behavior of the Argentinian players - now you may not see that as an Argentinian, but if there's issue with them in every game, vs the Dutch, vs the French, etc... There's just one common factor - and it's the Argentinians. I have never, in 35 years of watching and playing football, seen a winning side do what the Argentina boys did after the penalties vs the Dutch. That's as low as it gets.
Otamendi, Romero, RDP, getting into players and ref's spaces every whistle - and at the same time refs had the instructions to keep the cards to a minimum which just meant they kept getting away with it.
Plus the Messi tax of smacking the ball with his hand and the refs turning a blind eye etc.
You say the Dutch were behaving the same way, to me they were responding. And what exactly did the French do to be mocked, Mbappe and Camavinga etc.

So the behavior, and how the refs went about it - the lack of cards and the penalties which were always coming, no matter what the contact was (again, 1 was complete BS and an utter joke, 2 should've never gotten past VAR, 1 is something you can call 20x per game, and one, granted, was a pen)...
All pens in key situations and in close games.

And one of them was vs us.
Yes the game finished 3-0, but it's something entirely different if the game stays 0-0 and that ref goes to the screen to actually look at that situation.
(btw same VAR ref from that game was the VAR ref in our final vs France 4 years ago)

That's why I - and this is just my opinion, my impression, my take - I didn't care for them winning.

 

[Live in the Now]

I think pretty much any sane person knows that it wasn't a hand ball because there weren't 10 Argentinians surrounding the referee 5 seconds later. If the Argentinians play on like nothing happened the reality of it is that nothing happened.

Agreed. Same thing as the first penalty with di Maria.

 

[N o o d l e s]

Not true and I've provided links from spanish and english journalists saying the contrary.
As for Thuram I provided the evidence it was a mistake.


It wasn't a pen because ADM put his foot on Dembele's calf (not on purpose) while Dembele was running normally (so not his fault) and then ADM tripped himself (again, not on purpose).
The same way, Kolo Muani was touched (shoulder IIRC) but not enough to warrant a penalty. If you do call it a foul, then a booking is the minimum. Otamendi didn't receive anything.

The point is it looked like a penalty live which is why I’m sure the ref called it. Where there was no follow up from VAR the booth obviously agreed.

 

[Savant]

Also somehow forgot Kounde, Diaby, and Wesley Fofana.

W. Fofana might be crocked. Supposedly re-injured himself trying to come back. Not looking good. Would be a shame.

France with the Leipzig pairing and the St. Etienne pairing would be something

 

[Live in the Now]

My issues is with the behavior of the Argentinian players - now you may not see that as an Argentinian, but if there's issue with them in every game, vs the Dutch, vs the French, etc... There's just one common factor - and it's the Argentinians. I have never, in 35 years of watching and playing football, seen a winning side do what the Argentina boys did after the penalties vs the Dutch. That's as low as it gets.

Dutch players followed Argentina as far as they could down the pitch between every penalty, to the point Dumfries got sent off and refused to ever leave the pitch. This is just insane bias to not see what happened is what it is. There was really nothing there in the France game from either team, after the match they celebrate like dicks but nothing happened during the match. There's only three games in the entire World Cup that were stupid, the Argentina/Netherlands game, Uruguay/South Korea, and Serbia/Switzerland.

Acting like Argentina are ruining the sanctity of the World Cup, oh god the horror give me a break. The salt and whining even though nothing happened when they beat your team is hilarious. As far as dirty play goes this might be the least it ever happened in a WC.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Another obnoxious wall of text. You already showed your ass.. I cant be bothered to read more digital diarrhea. Enjoy howling at the moon. Ill just put you on ignore

 

[Evilo]

This guy can not win with class.

He's not alone though.

 

[Tony Romo]

PSG should be fun in the new year, imo

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

We can discuss the reffing without saying Argentina didn't deserve. Which I've done multiple times.
Yet you can't discuss the reffing without implying I mean Argentina didn't deserve, which I've stated otherwise a dozen times.

As for your "evidences", you have provided nothing. You've provided an angle that is hard to tell when there are tons of evidence everywhere on Twitter than it was a head and not a hand.

Kudos the video I saw on TW is no longer available and I watched out clips looks like it was his head.

 

[Juve]

Depressed to even start thinking about this but Italy need to qualify for Euro ’24 convincingly or Mancini should be gone. Getting drawn with England after seeing some of the other groups has me skeptical already because losing out to Ukraine also wouldn’t shock me at all. That said, this along the lines of what I ultimately want to see:

Donnarumma

DiLorenzo - Bastoni - Scalvini - Dimarco/Spina/Parisi?

Tonali

Barella - Pellegrini

Chiesa - Zaniolo - Raspadori

Do you play three at the back? Can Zaniolo for once not get hurt? If it’s a 4 at the back, who’s the LB? How would you structure the midfield? Verratti in?

@Juve @Incubajerks @TheGreenTBer and anyone I forgot?

Looks good. I'm no longer 100% convinced by Zaniolo.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

I don't get the Argentine beef with Mbappe in particular. Usually there's some kind of trigger like a remark or an action that somehow someone feels offended by, but I don't recall Mbappe doing anything that would enrage people especially.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I don't get the Argentine beef with Mbappe in particular. Usually there's some kind of trigger like a remark or an action that somehow someone feels offended by, but I don't recall Mbappe doing anything that would enrage people especially.

He criticized SA football few months back. That's probably the reason that and having fun.

Emi is a guy who saved a coaches comments on his phone and used it to motivate him.

 

[Incubajerks]

I don't get the Argentine beef with Mbappe in particular. Usually there's some kind of trigger like a remark or an action that somehow someone feels offended by, but I don't recall Mbappe doing anything that would enrage people especially.

"Argentina and Brazil don't have that level of competition in South America, the football is not as developed as in Europe. That's why if you look at the last World Cups it's always the Europeans that win," Mbappe said.

It was May.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

"Argentina and Brazil don't have that level of competition in South America, the football is not as developed as in Europe. That's why if you look at the last World Cups it's always the Europeans that win," Mbappe said.

It was May.

Seems pretty mild. I mean isn't pretty much everyone on the Argentinian team playing in Europe? I think some reserve GK was the only Argentina-based player. Why is Martinez spending his career playing on 2nd and 3rd rate teams in Europe and not plying his trade in the Argentinian league?

 

[Evilo]

Yeah it was mild.
But the guy is just living rent free in their brains. They can't even celebrate without having to talk about him all the time.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Seems pretty mild. I mean isn't pretty much everyone on the Argentinian team playing in Europe? I think some reserve GK was the only Argentina-based player. Why is Martinez spending his career playing on 2nd and 3rd rate teams in Europe and not plying his trade in the Argentinian league?

He was talking about SA qualifiers and copa. Where do you think these players from Brazil and Argentina usually start their careers?

 

[Incubajerks]

Yeah it was mild.
But the guy is just living rent free in their brains. They can't even celebrate without having to talk about him all the time.

It's the exact opposite, it's time to disconnect for a moment and get a few hours of sleep.

 

[Evilo]

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Jurgen Klinsmann's dream has been fulfilled - the US is now ahead of Germany in the FIFA World Rankings.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

He was talking about SA qualifiers and copa. Where do you think these players from Brazil and Argentina usually start their careers?

Yeah but that's even more obvious. The SA qualifying format is pretty much designed to guarantee Brazil and Argentina qualify because of there being so few nations and quite a few slots earned on the back of Brazil and Argentina's performances mostly. I feel like if anyone should take offense to Mbappe's comments it's the likes of Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador or Paraguay since they're the ones being called out.

It also sounds to me like Mbappe was responding to someone pointing out something about the fact the WC had been won by European teams 4 times in a row. And again you could say the main culprit of South America's relative decline is actually Brazil who haven't been to a Final in 20 years in spite of hosting it in the timespan.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Yeah but that's even more obvious. The SA qualifying format is pretty much designed to guarantee Brazil and Argentina qualify because of there being so few nations and quite a few slots earned on the back of Brazil and Argentina's performances mostly. I feel like if anyone should take offense to Mbappe's comments it's the likes of Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador or Paraguay since they're the ones being called out.

It also sounds to me like Mbappe was responding to someone pointing out something about the fact the WC had been won by European teams 4 times in a row. And again you could say the main culprit of South America's relative decline is actually Brazil who haven't been to a Final in 20 years in spite of hosting it in the timespan.

You have Italy facing Macedonia.....

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

You have Italy facing Macedonia.....

That's not the entire road to the World Cup for Italy. Italy didn't lose a single match in their group. They didn't win their group essentially because they drew two matches vs Switzerland and at Northern Ireland in November 2021. Which, fair enough, were disappointing results, but like Argentina didn't have results like that in their qualifying campaign? Switzerland are solid enough, Northern Ireland know how to defend and fight especially on home turf.

And then they get to the playoffs, and sure they get to play Northern Macedonia. But would beating them have sent them to the World Cup? Nope obviously not as Northern Macedonia weren't in the World Cup. They would have had to get past Portugal to actually qualify. So it's either Portugal or Italy in the World Cup. Yeah that seems like a tougher path than CONMEBOL.

 

[cgf]

Jurgen Klinsmann's dream has been fulfilled - the US is now ahead of Germany in the FIFA World Rankings.

God I love FIFA rankings. If only bookies were silly enough to put any weight in them