World Cup: National Team threads #2

[cgf]

I think we can all agree that neither of your teams deserved to win and they should've just not awarded a star this year

 

[Evilo]

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

We can discuss the reffing without saying Argentina didn't deserve. Which I've done multiple times.
Yet you can't discuss the reffing without implying I mean Argentina didn't deserve, which I've stated otherwise a dozen times.

As for your "evidences", you have provided nothing. You've provided an angle that is hard to tell when there are tons of evidence everywhere on Twitter than it was a head and not a hand.

Yet you focus on only the France perceived non calls. In fact you are actually implying they dont deserve it because had the game been refed "fairly" Argentina no penalties France 3... Pretty clear what you are saying.

Same evidence you provided, I bookmarked on twitter but with all the celebrations id have to dig deep and cant be bothered. Like I said enjoy your time with the other guy.

I think we can all agree that neither of your teams deserved to win and they should've just not awarded a star this year

Too late... mines on enroute.

 

[cgf]

Yet you focus on only the France perceived non calls. In fact you are actually implying they dont deserve it because had the game been refed "fairly" Argentina no penalties France 3... Pretty clear what you are saying.

Same evidence you provided, I bookmarked on twitter but with all the celebrations id have to dig deep and cant be bothered. Like I said enjoy your time with the other guy.


Too late... mines on enroute.

You're both just lucky spain are cowards *grumble grumble grumble*



...oh well; at least the Dutch didn't win and Brazil couldn't extend their lead to 2

 

[luiginb]

The way things look now, I think I'd pick something like:


GK: ter Stegen | Trapp

RB: Klostermann | Knauff/Baku
CB: Süle | Bella Kotchap
CB: Rüdiger | Schlotterbeck
LB: Raum | Gosens/Netz/Rothe

DM: Kimmich | Gundogan
AM: Musiala | Goretzka
AM: Wirtz | Brandt/Burkardt*

RW: Havertz | Gnabry
FW: Moukoko | Werner
LW: Sane | Adeyemi
+
FW: Füllkrug / Nmecha / Weiper
DM: Arnold / Andrich / Stach / Janelt / Stiller
CB: Ginter / Kehrer / Thiaw / Dardai
GK: Ortega / Leno / Nübel / Atubolu

*Wanner / Ibrahimovic / Samardzic / Damar / Bischof / Raebiger / Ulrich / Krattenmacher


Tempted to play 4 CBs with Schlotterbeck opposite Klostermann...although a Nagelsmann-style 3-1-4-2, with Sane/Adeyemi and Gnabry/Knauff as the wingbacks, could be fun too.

I don't watch the Bundesliga nearly as much as I do Serie A but I'm gonna give it a shot later too.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Thanks after work Ill dig up my angle.

 

[Evilo]

Yet you focus on only the France perceived non calls. In fact you are actually implying they dont deserve it because had the game been refed "fairly" Argentina no penalties France 3... Pretty clear what you are saying.

Same evidence you provided, I bookmarked on twitter but with all the celebrations id have to dig deep and cant be bothered. Like I said enjoy your time with the other guy.


Too late... mines on enroute.

Go through my previous posts. I said reffing most likely didn't change the outcome. I wrote that about 3 or 4 times.
But the reffing was still very bad.

 

[cgf]

I don't watch the Bundesliga nearly as much as I do Serie A but I'm gonna give it a shot later too.

It's tricky because of the way our talent is distributed. I feel like not starting 5 (or even 6) of our attackers wouldn't just be a waste of attacking talent*...but would be playing to our weaknesses instead of our strengths.

Yes, that team will concede goals even if ter Stegen, Rüdiger, & Süle played their best football, Klostermann stayed healthy for once, we kept the free-thinker at the 6 wrapped in bubble wrap between matches, and Flick got us to press like a club-side.

...but we're going to concede even if we played a defensive 5-3-2 with just two of our creative / attackers. So f*** that "die null muss stehen" noise; we're going to need to win a lot of games with hockey scores unless MAtS just goes full Kahn-2002 or ABK & Nico make massive strides before the euros.

That's why I'd try to build my gameplan around aiming to score 3+ goals as often as possible...and also why I keep trying to figure out how to make a Pep-esque 4-1-4-1 or a Nagelsmann style 3-1-4-2 with wingers instead of wingbacks, work with our talent.


*All 3 of Musiala, Wirtz, and Sane are must-starts for me if they're fit; Mouki is well on his way to becoming a must-start and could be there well before the euros; NT-Havertz is pretty much a must-start in my book, and I think he showed why in Qatar...and behind that quintet we've still got Gnabry, Werner, Füllkrug, Brandt, Nmecha, and all of our other kids (Adeyemi, Burkardt, Wanner, etc.).

 

[cgf]

Go through my previous posts. I said reffing most likely didn't change the outcome. I wrote that about 3 or 4 times.
But the reffing was still very bad.

As a neutral. Repeating something 3 or 4 times amongst the hundreds of words you must've written since the final says one thing.

...but the dozens of posts you've now made with tweets showing scenes where the ref didn't reward/favor France, says another.

Not saying you aren't sincere in believing the bolded or that you are not posting those in response to others; just that the result is that you're sending mixed messages.

...so I'm not surprised that any Argentine fans would get the impression you're saying France deserved to win if the refs hadn't messed up; even if that wasn't your intention.

 

[Evilo]

As a neutral. Repeating something 3 or 4 times amongst the hundreds of words you must've written since the final says one thing.

...but the dozens of posts you've now made with tweets showing scenes where the ref didn't reward/favor France, says another.

Not saying you aren't sincere in believing the bolded or that you are not posting those in response to others; just that the result is that you're sending mixed messages.

...so I'm not surprised that any Argentine fans would get the impression you're saying France deserved to win if the refs hadn't messed up; even if that wasn't your intention.

I'll state it a hundreth time.
The reffing was terrible IMO, and mostly in favor of Argentina (basically, the Kolo penalty shouldn't have been given IMO).
That doesn't mean it would have changed the outcome.
But some people here are supporting the idea that somehow the reffing was good. It wasn't. And the fact it was vastly in favor of Argentina blinds some people quite obviously (since they cheered for them, which is fine with me).

For instance, some people are saying the ref was good and have used the Thuram diving card as example, which was a clear pen and thus a mistake.

 

[cgf]

I'll state it a hundreth time.
The reffing was terrible IMO, and mostly in favor of Argentina (basically, the Kolo penalty shouldn't have been given IMO).
That doesn't mean it would have changed the outcome.
But some people here are supporting the idea that somehow the reffing was good. It wasn't. And the fact it was vastly in favor of Argentina blinds some people quite obviously (since they cheered for them, which is fine with me).

I'm not saying that you are blaming the refs for the outcome. Just that the bevy of posts with tweets complaining about the refs (understandably) gives people a different impression...despite you explicitly typing that that's not what you mean.

Actions v words and all that.

 

[Corto]

It’s not a penalty Thurman dangles his leg to create contact…

Why are you guys not taking about Upa’s volleyball to Mbappe… pretty obvious it doesn’t fit your agenda.

He gets hit in his left foot. It's infinitely more contact than than the ADM penalty.
Like, actually a penalty. ADM pen is a joke.

The handball thing is proven wrong and a non-issue, just look like that from one angle and about 4 people other than Argentina fans think it's any sort of an issue.

Look, I don't know why you care.
I'd gladly take being carried by the refs and my team acting like utter trash, in exchange for winning the WC.
Sure, everyone would call me underserved winner, cheating scum, etc... And I wouldn't care one bit.

 

[cgf]

He gets hit in his left foot. It's infinitely more contact than than the ADM penalty.
Like, actually a penalty. ADM pen is a joke.

The handball thing is proven wrong and a non-issue, just look like that from one angle and about 4 people other than Argentina fans think it's any sort of an issue.

Look, I don't know why you care.
I'd gladly take being carried by the refs and my team acting like utter trash, in exchange for winning the WC.
Sure, everyone would call me underserved winner, cheating scum, etc... And I wouldn't care one bit.

lol someone's salty

 

[Corto]

I'll state it a hundreth time.
The reffing was terrible IMO, and mostly in favor of Argentina (basically, the Kolo penalty shouldn't have been given IMO).
That doesn't mean it would have changed the outcome.

You don't have to pretend to be gracious. A debatable penalty in any game changes the game at 0-0.
Of course it changes the game. France coming back doesn't change the fact that Argentina went up 1-0 on a s**t call and went 2-0 on the counter. Not like Argentina were bombing away at Lloris before the game turned.

lol someone's salty

Not even hiding it lol
Maybe if Modric wins another CL or two, they will hand us free pens in the next EURO.
(I'm not lying either, I'd take it.... 5 pens in 7 games, 1 "ok", 1 utter BS, and 3 very very debatable ones, my players not getting booked and sent off etc... give it to me, let my boys win the title like that, lets go...)

 

[Savant]

Not really, he's living quite the resurgence in Turkey as a center forward (I know, as suprised as you are). Currently rated second best player there this season, smack dab between world cup heroes Enner Valencia and Weghorst. And I'd rather take a forward in form from a lesser league than someone struggling in a top 5 league.

I mean Haji Wright was tearing us the Turkish league too. But I almost spit my drink out when I saw Borini name

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

He gets hit in his left foot. It's infinitely more contact than than the ADM penalty.
Like, actually a penalty. ADM pen is a joke.

The handball thing is proven wrong and a non-issue, just look like that from one angle and about 4 people other than Argentina fans think it's any sort of an issue.

Look, I don't know why you care.
I'd gladly take being carried by the refs and my team acting like utter trash, in exchange for winning the WC.
Sure, everyone would call me underserved winner, cheating scum, etc... And I wouldn't care one bit.

But they werent... lol no one cheated I mean I could put you on ignore but Id rather talk footy on here. If you want your opinion taken seriously I suggest you stop being butt hurt or a homer. Your choice really

 

[Corto]

But they werent... lol no one cheated I mean I could put you on ignore but Id rather talk footy on here. If you want your opinion taken seriously I suggest you stop being butt hurt or a homer. Your choice really

I mean, that's my opinion on the matter. They acted extremely unsportsmanlike and benefited from very questionable ref calls throughout the tournament.
So, agree to disagree on that front.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I mean, that's my opinion on the matter. They acted extremely unsportsmanlike and benefited from very questionable ref calls throughout the tournament.
So, agree to disagree on that front.

Yeah, opinion and sometimes its talking out of your ass.. Guess which category you fall under?

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Thanks after work Ill dig up my angle.

I think pretty much any sane person knows that it wasn't a hand ball because there weren't 10 Argentinians surrounding the referee 5 seconds later. If the Argentinians play on like nothing happened the reality of it is that nothing happened.

 

[cgf]

I think pretty much any sane person knows that it wasn't a hand ball because there weren't 10 Argentinians surrounding the referee 5 seconds later. If the Argentinians play on like nothing happened the reality of it is that nothing happened.

They just didn't notice because they lacked someone with Müller's vision. Nobody bitches at the refs like the raumdeuter

 

[Corto]

Yeah, opinion and sometimes its talking out of your ass.. Guess which category you fall under?

I'm gonna go with opinion, mate.
What exactly is controversial if I say Argentina acted unsportsmanlike or that they benefited from suspect ref calls?
Memes aside (or trolling or saltiness), I really don't think that's a controversial thing to say.

Doesn't mean they're not the WC winners. They are.

 

[Apex Predator]

It’s amazing how whining about the refs is still going on two days later and is permeating through every thread.

Every World Cup game was fixed if you follow daily game threads.

 

[Evilo]

You don't have to pretend to be gracious. A debatable penalty in any game changes the game at 0-0.
Of course it changes the game. France coming back doesn't change the fact that Argentina went up 1-0 on a s**t call and went 2-0 on the counter. Not like Argentina were bombing away at Lloris before the game turned.

Not even hiding it lol
Maybe if Modric wins another CL or two, they will hand us free pens in the next EURO.
(I'm not lying either, I'd take it.... 5 pens in 7 games, 1 "ok", 1 utter BS, and 3 very very debatable ones, my players not getting booked and sent off etc... give it to me, let my boys win the title like that, lets go...)

I doubt Argentina doesn't score even if the penalty isn't given. The hole might have been 1-0, but Argentina was the better team by miles at that point. So yeah it's not being gracious, it's being unbiased.
I was mad at the call and said so in the game thread. I was only calmed down when the makeup call happenned on the Kolo Muani pen.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I'm gonna go with opinion, mate.
What exactly is controversial if I say Argentina acted unsportsmanlike or that they benefited from suspect ref calls?
Memes aside (or trolling or saltiness), I really don't think that's a controversial thing to say.

Doesn't mean they're not the WC winners. They are.

Not controversial but when you harp on one side its not controversial its stupid... You ignore what the dutch did and ignore the missed call against Argentina. You come off as a Ronaldo fan boy who's butt hurt Messi won. You even admit how much you hate the team... I hate Madrid but it doesnt mean I refuse to have a rational conversation about them winning. If this is the angle you want to go for by all means... Guess I know what to do hf is blessed to offer ways to filter nonsense.

 

[BMann]

I'll state it a hundreth time.
The reffing was terrible IMO, and mostly in favor of Argentina (basically, the Kolo penalty shouldn't have been given IMO).
That doesn't mean it would have changed the outcome.
But some people here are supporting the idea that somehow the reffing was good. It wasn't. And the fact it was vastly in favor of Argentina blinds some people quite obviously (since they cheered for them, which is fine with me).

For instance, some people are saying the ref was good and have used the Thuram diving card as example, which was a clear pen and thus a mistake.

Give it up. What about the kick on RDP by Mbappe ? Kounde getting away with wrestling di Maria to the ground ? Everyone apart from supporters of France say Marciniak did an excellent job. He correctly booked Thuram as well. If Argentina had not taken their foot off the pedal and Scaloni brought on fresh legal earlier France would not even had a sniff.