Confirmed with Link: Nathan Horton to Toronto for David Clarkson

[encore]

If Toronto still has to pay Horton on LTIR, why didn't they put Clarkson on waivers first and see if anyone would bite?

Clarkson has a no movement clause.

 

[tooncesmeow]

We appreciate the consolation

No problem, this sucks for you guys but at least your GM addressed the issue immediately and (in my opinion) the most intelligent way possible.

A couple years back Nashville had a very similar situation where they had to give Toronto Cody Franson to take the concussed, likely-to-never-play Matt Lombardi at the cost of 7th-Dman Brett Lebda. It would suck for you guys to have to give up one of your more high end prospects simply to get rid of Horton.

 

[I am Canadian]

If Toronto still has to pay Horton on LTIR, why didn't they put Clarkson on waivers first and see if anyone would bite?

Clarkson had a no-movement and no trade clause. So he probably could have blocked the waivers. Also means he accepted the trade to Columbus.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Well, at least no one is prematurely making up their mind before the guy plays a shift.

No need to. Most of us know what Clarkson brings to the table.

Here's ultimately how it looks:
- A low-IQ forward, who
- Has a tendency to take boneheaded penalties, and
- Is a terrible skater, and
- Has topped 20 goals once in his life, and
- Has more than 25 points twice (32 and 46), and
- Has a contract that leaves quite literally zero options to get out of

Was acquired for someone for whom there were at least some options. Several teams are going to be hitting a cap crunch in the immediate future, meaning that Horton strictly as a financial asset would have some actual value. But we see this go from very limited options to now absolutely zero, and in the process are acquiring yet another bottom-six forward who cannot be moved at any point in the next four years.

I'd rather have Kelly Clarkson.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Clarkson had a no-movement and no trade clause. So he probably could have blocked the waivers. Also means he accepted the trade to Columbus.

Talk about a silver lining

 

[KJ Dangler]

Didn't jarmo trade umberger for hartnell ?

 

[The Jones Zone]

is Columbus also giving up a prospect or a pick in this deal?

 

[We Want Ten]

I feel like a fresh fish on my first night in the big house and the lights just went off.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

is Columbus also giving up a prospect or a pick in this deal?

Negative.

 

[Kev22]

This move was the Fukushima nuclear meltdown on top of the earthquake and tsunami filled season.

Stop, just stop, you're starting to sound like a tantruming kid.

 

[looseneditforyou]

Not having insurance on $37 million contract....which forced this dumb trade....there's no ****ing way this trade happens if Jarmo buys insurance on Horton's contract.



Well...I'm not doubting that you most likely do know more than GM Jarmo...GM Jarmo says he was trying to save a buck and didn't buy insurance on Horton the first season because they knew he was having shoulder surgery. Then, Horton became uninsurable.

That isn't the trade -- it's a circumstance that led to it. What don't you like about the trade itself?

 

[major major]

So there must have been an insurance issue.. I'll reserve judgment until I learn more. But it does seem that this trade is only happening because we'd be paying for Horton's contract anyways, and we are not a perennial cap team like the Leafs, so this way we at least get a player.

Clarkson is pretty bad, I hear . I look forward to seeing what he can do, with limited expectations. I'm sure folks will complain about his salary, but there's nothing anyone can do about it, so I'll enjoy him if he is better than Jared Boll.

 

[Timeless Winter]

Worst contract in the league. Great job Jarmo.

 

[EspenK]

So there must have been an insurance issue.. I'll reserve judgment until I learn more. But it does seem that this trade is only happening because we'd be paying for Horton's contract anyways, and we are not a perennial cap team like the Leafs, so this way we at least get a player.

Clarkson is pretty bad, I hear . I look forward to seeing what he can do, with limited expectations. I'm sure folks will complain about his salary, but there's nothing anyone can do about it, so I'll enjoy him if he is better than Jared Boll.

At a minimum we'll have a Boll clone for the next umpteen years.

 

[looseneditforyou]

Like bobcat stated above you. Jarmo hasn't exactly been succesful in his decisions so far. And I do not see this working out for the better. Bringing on a 4th liner to that price will certainly not help us in the long run. The talk about his years in New Jersey, and hoping with a change of scenery he will return to his goal scoring ways. Fact is, he weren't even that good of a player back then. I would much rather see the money spent elsewhere. It has been deemed the worst contract in hockey the last 2 years for a reason. I can not believe the Horton contract wasn't insured. Excuse my negativity, but I'm just so fed up with Jarmo.

No one's supporting the trade by saying Jarmo is competent in general, or that Clarkson's a good player. We're saying the money couldn't have been recouped in any way except by trading the contract., and that the return would inevitably be another bad contract from a cap team. And you couldn't have spent the money elsewhere -- it was tied up in Horton's contract.

 

[futurcorerock]

Is there anyone out there who bought a Jeff Carter and a Nathan Horton jersey?

 

[Doug19]

Worst contract in the league. Great job Jarmo.

Actually judging by the insurance news, Columbus just traded the worst contract maybe in the history of the NHL

 

[NotWendell]

So basically the FO screwed up and didn't insure Horton that first year and he got injured before they could insure him for the second. Brilliant.

That's my take given what is currently known.

I can remember many of us discussing Horton's injuries and concussions, along with his style of play perhaps leading to more injuries, when the acquisition was made. I'm going to stop just short of calling for Jarmo's firing until more information comes to light about the insurance.

 

[major major]

No need to. Most of us know what Clarkson brings to the table.

Here's ultimately how it looks:
- A low-IQ forward, who
- Has a tendency to take boneheaded penalties, and
- Is a terrible skater, and
- Has topped 20 goals once in his life, and
- Has more than 25 points twice (32 and 46), and
- Has a contract that leaves quite literally zero options to get out of

Was acquired for someone for whom there were at least some options. Several teams are going to be hitting a cap crunch in the immediate future, meaning that Horton strictly as a financial asset would have some actual value. But we see this go from very limited options to now absolutely zero, and in the process are acquiring yet another bottom-six forward who cannot be moved at any point in the next four years.

I'd rather have Kelly Clarkson.

Relative to paying Horton's salary and getting nothing for it, this is a step forward. Now the question is, could we at least have gotten more of a throw-in on the deal? The Leafs can get a cap-break on the deal of $5.3m a year! That's huge value for them, could we have gotten more in return?

 

[BluejacketNut]

I can imagine the entire staff in Toronto trying not to laugh too loud when they were on the phone making the deal. "Shhhhh we've almost got the deal done.....SHHHHHH.... uhh huh, sure, done deal... "....click

 

[Byron Bitz]

Hope Clarkson can at least be a decent 4th liner for you guys. He works hard, wins puck battles, and plays physical. Just don't expect him to skate at an NHL level or pass. When he gets the puck all he can do is shoot or try to take it to the net, i'm not kidding he literally cannot pass, he's blind out there.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Relative to paying Horton's salary and getting nothing for it, this is a step forward. Now the question is, could we at least have gotten more of a throw-in on the deal? The Leafs can get a cap-break on the deal of $5.3m a year! That's huge value for them, could we have gotten more in return?

I'd have to believe so. I'd have gone after Los Angeles (again) and tried to pick up Mike Richards; he's at least a higher-IQ guy who can kill penalties and play a disciplined game even if he's not scoring.

 

[EspenK]

No need to. Most of us know what Clarkson brings to the table.

Here's ultimately how it looks:
- A low-IQ forward, who
- Has a tendency to take boneheaded penalties, and
- Is a terrible skater, and
- Has topped 20 goals once in his life, and
- Has more than 25 points twice (32 and 46), and
- Has a contract that leaves quite literally zero options to get out of

Was acquired for someone for whom there were at least some options. Several teams are going to be hitting a cap crunch in the immediate future, meaning that Horton strictly as a financial asset would have some actual value. But we see this go from very limited options to now absolutely zero, and in the process are acquiring yet another bottom-six forward who cannot be moved at any point in the next four years.

I'd rather have Kelly Clarkson.

Explain how he would have value other than in exchange for a guy with a crappy contract like Clarkson? I think its like tweedle dee- tweedle dum(b). Got a guy who can play a bit and maybe we get lucky ( I mean we're due right?)and he captures lightning in a bottle one more time.

I disagree that the outcome would ever have been better unless Mike Milbury gets hired as a GM. I guess the other time it could be better if we need the cap space and could have put Horton on LITR.

 

[NotWendell]

Is there anyone out there who bought a Jeff Carter and a Nathan Horton jersey?

Based on that, we should make Clarkson #9

 

[jackets4life]

This makes the decision about next years season renewal a lot easier. Thanks Jarmo.