Post-Game Talk: Nash vs Dubinsky 1/6/14 (and some other guys played too)
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JHS
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So many people on this board are just incredible. So you would rather the rangers not have come back to tie the game last night? That would some how have been better than at least earning one point and showing actual spark in the third period? I'm confused.
My point about Hank is so many people on here just say " Hank let in soft goals, therefore the team lost." It's honestly the least insightful analysis anyone can offer. It's just not worth posting. Everyone can see the weak goals. Truth is, anyone who has ever played hockey knows that on virtually every goal scored by the opposition, multiple mistakes were made. It's just too bad many on this board don't or can't see beyond the obvious, " Hank should have stopped that one."
EspenK
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You better get a grip. Jackets are the equal of the Rangers - not that that is necessarily good for either side.
The Gloaming
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If that "hit" is right along the boards and the ref's eyes aren't stuck in his behind, I'm not even sure the statisticians count it as a hit.
So many people on this board are just incredible. So you would rather the rangers not have come back to tie the game last night? That would some how have been better than at least earning one point and showing actual spark in the third period? I'm confused.
My point about Hank is so many people on here just say " Hank let in soft goals, therefore the team lost." It's honestly the least insightful analysis anyone can offer. It's just not worth posting. Everyone can see the weak goals. Truth is, anyone who has ever played hockey knows that on virtually every goal scored by the opposition, multiple mistakes were made. It's just too bad many on this board don't or can't see beyond the obvious, " Hank should have stopped that one."
How about a regulation win at home? Is that asking for much?
The Rangers have played Columbus twice in the last month at home. 1 point out of 4.
The Rangers are 3-5-3 in their last 11 home games. 9 points out a possible 22. That's more than 25% of the home schedule.
Winnipeg-Loss
Jersey-SO Loss
Caps-Loss
Nashville-Loss
Columbus-Loss
Calgary-SO Win
Pittsburgh-SO Loss
Islanders-Loss
Wild-Win
Toronto-SO win
Columbus-SO loss
You said the Rangers wouldn't have come back a month ago when they already did on Pittsburgh.
Mediocrity.
NYRFANMANI
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Enterning game. Even though Hank gave up one too many, he nd the team redeemed themselves in the 3rd and OT. (That one save in OT was goat!)
Nash has to keep the pace up. Kreider (and McD) is our franchise player at this point.
Nash has to keep the pace up. Kreider (and McD) is our franchise player at this point.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Not to beat a dead horse, but last night just confirmed how much I would like Dubi on this team. He has his warts and that was clearly an "on" game but he did literally everything I wish the Rangers did more.
Not to dwell on it. It's over. Hopefully Miller can grow into a similar role.
LieutenantLackluster
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We got beat by a team whos top line consists of Dubi and Anisimov.
Thats pretty sad.
And Kreider is 10x the player Dubi will ever be so stop missing him please.
Thats pretty sad.
And Kreider is 10x the player Dubi will ever be so stop missing him please.
The man to man defense is leading to ALL KINDS of breakdowns, but especially the inability to pick up the trailer on the rush. I could live with this if it led to a solid transition and more even strength offense. It hasn't.
The powerplay has looked way better compared to years past, but the 5 on 5 play has taken a nosedive.
Most of the game is played 5 on 5. Time to tighten up.
Lundqvist played great yesterday and as a poster said, many people on here just see he let up 3. If the Rangers allowed ten breakaways and ten 2 on 1s and scored on 3 of them to lose 3-2, you would all still blame Lundqvist.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
This is what I don't really understand. The biggest positive this year has been a much improved PP. Full credit to AV and the staff.
I would think a winning recipe would be to play more conservative on D. Yes you may sacrifice some of the transition offense. But what are you actually sacrificing in terms of GF? Let your revamped special teams and stellar D/goaltending under a tighter defensive system win you games.
Move to the man d/uptempo transition system when players are better drilled and you can make some personnel changes. Not to mention a more conservative system will help guys like DZ, Girardi, Staal look better and increase their trade value. It just seems incredibly foolish to keep trotting this out and expecting wins in the short term.
One of my more egregious points of contention. Great the PP is doing better. But the 5 on 5 play has gone to hell.
I thought Lundqvist was fighting it last night, even the "big" saves he made I didn't think he looked good. But I thought the Rangers defense was worse. How many times did they give the puck away? Stralman had a bad night. And that's being kind.
OverTheCap
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Agreed with the posts above. I would be a lot more excited about the PP if this team was at least competent 5-on-5. They are amongst the bottom of the league in 5-on-5 goals for/against - only Calgary, Nashville, Edmonton, and Buffalo are worse, and that's not the sort of company the Rangers want to be around.
Even with the PP succeeding this year, the Rangers are on pace for their worst offensive output since the 2004-05 lockout.
Even with the PP succeeding this year, the Rangers are on pace for their worst offensive output since the 2004-05 lockout.
The thing that I was thinking about even before the trade went was how well each players game compliments the other.
When I come on here and post about balancing skill with grit....well this exactly what I mean.
If Sather wants to trade for Rick Nash, a guy that obviously needs complimentary pieces, he needs Dubinsky to be one of those pieces.
Now it's easy for me to say that, but I'm not the GM of the New York Rangers. That's Sathers job.
This trade is gonna piss me off for a long time.
When I come on here and post about balancing skill with grit....well this exactly what I mean.
If Sather wants to trade for Rick Nash, a guy that obviously needs complimentary pieces, he needs Dubinsky to be one of those pieces.
Now it's easy for me to say that, but I'm not the GM of the New York Rangers. That's Sathers job.
This trade is gonna piss me off for a long time.
I am an former collegiate goaltender and now a level 4 coach.
I know something about the position. Hank is still struggling and it should be obvious to someone with your background.
A goaltender has a 80/20 advantage on breakaways. Hank has been 20/80.
He seems uncomfortable making routine saves. He seems to be lunging instead of moving fluidly.
Bottom line is that a guy at this level does not forget how to play. He will get his confidence back. Hopefully soon.
I don't think the actual 5 on 5 play has taken a nosedive, we are 6th in the league in shots on goal. 10th in shots against (fewest). Its definitely not taken a nosedive in terms of puck possession, and the PP to a big extent is just a pro-longation of the 5 on 5 play. YOu can't give the puck away 5 on 5 all night and then expect to be able to pass it around for 2 minutes.
But I definitely agree with you on defense. We are 21th in goals against this year, I don't have time to look it up now, but I would bet that this is the one big problem compared to other years. Not shots against.
We are just a mess around our own net. The man-man defense is really not working, right now at least.
Yeah. Thanks.
I need to follow your example.
At some point, after decades of watching the same mistakes over and over....you just have to say to yourself:
"this is us. This is the Rangers. This is just what will always be. Never contending. Always rebuilding."
It sucks but there it is. Thank God it's just sports.
You (I) need to let it go. I have to content myself in deriving enjoyment from this franchise in some way other than actually winning and contending on a regular basis.
Okay then....how about that Kreider kid. He's something huh?
Cally has been solid and good since coming back from his injury. Has 3 points in 3 games now since being back.
So so for Callahan? Maybe in the 1st period or so. However, he made three plays to get that tying goal. He drew the penalty from adding pressure, forechecked behind the net to get the puck to Richards who then passed to Nash, but then hustled back to the front of the net to screen the goalie.
Hank was disappointing, had a great 3rd period but it was already too late, but the SO he could of shined but looked awful.
Callahan was decent nothing special in the beginning but really had a strong 3rd period and was a big part of Nash's goal that tied the game. Things like this is what we all love Cally for and if he continues this, he needs to be extened, and people need to relax with the trade talks. Cally's aggresive coverage and checking draws a lot of penalties and it also creates turnovers like he did on that powerplay.
The constant criticism of Lundqvist after each game needs to stop. Every GDT doesn't have to be about Lundqvist vs Talbot. It's getting old.
People criticized him for the loss last night. I was at the game. I thought he played well. He gave up three goals, all of them were good goals, would it have been nice to see him stop one? Yes, but he didn't and life moves on. He stopped 36 of 39 shots, and if it wasn't for his strong play in the 3rd period, when the Rangers stopped playing after they tied it up at 3 to 3, the Rangers wouldn't have even gotten a point.
Than, he played lights out in overtime, got the team to the shootout, and lost in a skills competition. It happens. Nash and MZA didn't score in the shootout either.
Last night is an easy game to blame Lundqvist for, when he played well, whether he seemed to be "fighting it" or not. People see that he let up 3 goals, AGAIN, and assume that it was a bad game. You have to put in in context. He gave up three goals in this game, played well overall, and gave the team a chance to win. That's all you can do as a goaltender.
Personally, I thought he played well against Tampa Bay, Florida and Columbus. And the game he got shelled for five goals, he didn't have much of a chance on wonky deflections off his own teammates. He's played solid in three out of his last four. He's slowly finding his game.
Nash played his best game of the season. Which was great to see. I wonder how much of it had to do with the fact that he was playing Columbus, but regardless, it's a good starting point.
Kreider looked great up until his ejection. Which, I didn't have a problem with, even after watching the reviews. He slowed up, hit him shoulder to shoulder, but he did hit a player in a vulnerable position, and unfortunately Tyutin took an awkward turn face first into the boards. It wasn't a dirty hit, and probably shouldn't have been an ejection (should have been a two minute minor), but the refs are going to call that more times than not, especially when a player gets hurt on the play. Kreider needs to be more disciplined in my opinion. He's taken a lot of bad penalties this season, and I think that's one area he can certainly work on.
People criticized him for the loss last night. I was at the game. I thought he played well. He gave up three goals, all of them were good goals, would it have been nice to see him stop one? Yes, but he didn't and life moves on. He stopped 36 of 39 shots, and if it wasn't for his strong play in the 3rd period, when the Rangers stopped playing after they tied it up at 3 to 3, the Rangers wouldn't have even gotten a point.
Than, he played lights out in overtime, got the team to the shootout, and lost in a skills competition. It happens. Nash and MZA didn't score in the shootout either.
Last night is an easy game to blame Lundqvist for, when he played well, whether he seemed to be "fighting it" or not. People see that he let up 3 goals, AGAIN, and assume that it was a bad game. You have to put in in context. He gave up three goals in this game, played well overall, and gave the team a chance to win. That's all you can do as a goaltender.
Personally, I thought he played well against Tampa Bay, Florida and Columbus. And the game he got shelled for five goals, he didn't have much of a chance on wonky deflections off his own teammates. He's played solid in three out of his last four. He's slowly finding his game.
Nash played his best game of the season. Which was great to see. I wonder how much of it had to do with the fact that he was playing Columbus, but regardless, it's a good starting point.
Kreider looked great up until his ejection. Which, I didn't have a problem with, even after watching the reviews. He slowed up, hit him shoulder to shoulder, but he did hit a player in a vulnerable position, and unfortunately Tyutin took an awkward turn face first into the boards. It wasn't a dirty hit, and probably shouldn't have been an ejection (should have been a two minute minor), but the refs are going to call that more times than not, especially when a player gets hurt on the play. Kreider needs to be more disciplined in my opinion. He's taken a lot of bad penalties this season, and I think that's one area he can certainly work on.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
I said that sine the game vs Tampa that Hank has been trending upwards. He uncomfortablity and lunging are still there but compared to earlier in the season, he is clearly improving. That's my point. He's trending upwards. He looks more comfortable now than he did a month ago, he's not lunging as much as he was then and so on.
My main point is that we need him to get his confidence back and as you said, guys at this level don't forget how to play. His issues are all mental and we need him to build his confidence back up. Av needs to give him 5 straigh games here. He can't be alternating with Talbot because clearly that's not working for his confidence.
And i mainly agree with you. All I was saying is that Hank is trending upwards. I have to point out the positives I see in his game to make that point simply because everyone here is immediately going negatively. But tell me, you know the position, so you must see the improvement in Hank now compared to early season Hank righh?
