Confirmed with Link: (NAS/MTL) Shea Weber for P.K. Subban

[bdub24]

Don't know if these have been posted yet, But Boullion's comments about the two were eye opening.

A rundown of some of Bouillon’s comments, as reported by the Montreal Gazette:

• On Weber: “(Weber has) a lot of character, a good attitude and we all know the Canadiens missed some of that last year. He has everything; I call him Mr. Hockey. If you’re looking for a good guy, a leader, that’s Shea Weber.â€

• On Subban: “P.K. is like your little brother at home — sometimes you like him, sometimes he’s all around you when you’re not feeling good. He’s got a different character but, at the end of the day, he’s your brother.

“He’s a good player but he has a different sense of humor. The bottom line is, you win with guys like P.K.â€

Source: http://www.nashvillepost.com/sports.../bouillon-says-predators-canadiens-got-better

I really hope we made the right deal.

Wow. So is Francis saying you win with PK but not with Shea? F U Francis.

 

[Drake744]

Wow. So is Francis saying you win with PK but not with Shea? F U Francis.

That's a good thing now.

 

[RaiderDoug]

So everyone agrees with Pierre McGuire's take, that there is a lot of mileage on Weber, which tilts the trade in favor of the Preds?

That is my thought.

If Weber loses a step, he's Sheldon Souray. And at 31 and up, odds are , you're going to lose a step.

I also just think it's a question of fit. Laviolette wants to play an up tempo, push the puck defense with puck moving defenseman. Weber handles the puck like it's radioactive.

There was maybe 15 guys around the league that I would have traded Weber for, but PK was one of them.

 

[adsfan]

Same concern raised by Pierre McGuire the day the trade was announced -- lots of mileage on Weber. How many more years at the current performance levels? Many are saying he's a good bet for another 2 years but are quick to point out that a decline is impending if it hasn't already started. I haven't followed him closely enough to know.

On a scored points basis, Weber had 2 of his top 3 seasons in the last three years, with 56, 45 and 51. He had 53 points in 2008-09. That doesn't sound like a decline to me.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

On a scored points basis, Weber had 2 of his top 3 seasons in the last three years, with 56, 45 and 51. He had 53 points in 2008-09. That doesn't sound like a decline to me.

I don't think he is declining to any significant measure, but I think that's why we were able to trade him for PK. You don't wait until he starts the decline or its far too late to trade him for the type of return we just got.

 

[PredsV82]

Wow. So is Francis saying you win with PK but not with Shea? F U Francis.

im not sure thats exactly what he was saying, I think he was saying you put up with PK even of you don't like him because he helps you win, whereas Weber helps you win and you're also glad you have him

 

[Runner77]

Someone from the Habs board was nice enough to dig up post season scoring by Subban and Weber and offered this:

PPG = Points per game, GPG = Goals per game

Total is more like 10th or 8th if you remove 2015-16.

But in PPG between 2010 and 2015 (with players over 20 PO games) he is second just behind Letang and ahead Keith.

If you choose 2010-2016, he is still 2nd, behind Burns and ahead of Letang.
Also second in GPG scored (behind Burns) over the same period and first for the 2010-2015 period.

Total goals or points is irrelevant to me.
You can not compare Seabrook, Doughty, Keith and Boychuck who played respectively 73, 70, 77 and 73 PO games with PK who played 41 PO games.

Basically, top-2 in both PPG and GPG in PO since 2010.

It is clear that the clutch factor and the offense of PK is not in the same category as Weber.
Maybe Weber gets tougher assignment on defense during the PO.
Someone posted an article where Weber has > 50% Corsi except when he plays with Gustaud.

Weber will get 40-50 points where PK will get 50-60 points.
Still Weber will get more PP Goals and has better defense.

Weber gets the nod in top-4 of Team Canada and World Cup.
In two years, it could very well change.

 

[bdub24]

im not sure thats exactly what he was saying, I think he was saying you put up with PK even of you don't like him because he helps you win, whereas Weber helps you win and you're also glad you have him

I read it like he was slighting Weber, which isn't cool coming from an explayer of his caliber.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Wow. So is Francis saying you win with PK but not with Shea? F U Francis.

Francis is saying something you don't like? Desown him, ignore him !

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

im not sure thats exactly what he was saying, I think he was saying you put up with PK even of you don't like him because he helps you win, whereas Weber helps you win and you're also glad you have him

Witch means everybody loves Weber while 50% players of a hockey team likes or dislike PK.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

That is my thought.

If Weber loses a step, he's Sheldon Souray. And at 31 and up, odds are , you're going to lose a step.

I also just think it's a question of fit. Laviolette wants to play an up tempo, push the puck defense with puck moving defenseman. Weber handles the puck like it's radioactive.

There was maybe 15 guys around the league that I would have traded Weber for, but PK was one of them.

6 years ago PK wasn't passing the puck at all. He was going out of his zone with a fast stretch and dumped the puck arriving at the opposite blue line. His teamates were waiting for a pass that never came. It was so boring to watch. Then PK matured and started to pass the puck. Only then he got the Norris trophy.

Preds teamates depends on PK's feelings. He will do whatever he wants, randomly from his feelings. He is very confident about himself and very stubborn too. Just pray that everything will turn out fine.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I read it like he was slighting Weber, which isn't cool coming from an explayer of his caliber.

I've read all the comments Francis told to the media without translation and he was saying Weber was by far the best teamate he ever had. Most talent, a M. Hockey, a perfect guy, a perfect captain. Then he talked about PK that some day you find him funny and another day he annoys you because you don't enjoy his jokes everyday. Dany Brière said also that PK wasn't unanimus liked in the team to say the least. But having PK with the attention he took in the media was ok for Brière at the time because Brière wanted to be low profile, he knew he had became a marginal player.
And PK in the looker room many journalists of Montréal media said he wasn't liked by everybody.

 

[nomorekids]

Dale Weise was on NHL Network Radio on Sirius a couple of days ago -- the day after the Montreal radio guy blasted Subban for being a "me first" player.

He basically dispusted everything the guy said and called Subban a high character player and a leader. He said that while it's true Subban is...to use his word, "a little eccentric," he said that in his time playing with PK in Montreal there was never an issue, and that includes the media favorite "Pacioretty hates Subban" story. He said that in his opinion, some in Montreal are trying to rationalize why a player that good was traded, but that they're reaching and grasping at straws. He said that he thinks it was a good hockey trade, but at the end of the day he couldn't say a bad thing about Subban.

This is a guy that recently signed with the Flyers and really has no horse in the race.

 

[Drake744]

One thing is for certain......there's no media circus surrounding the Preds in Nashville. All of that energy is spent on football. It'll be interesting to see how PK and his "personality" is perceived in a city that will leave him alone.

 

[optimus2861]

You're right.

P.K. is not the one that was hitting the most (nor the best) , or blocking shots. He let his fellow d-men do the dirty work.

PK used to lay out some fierce hip checks at the blue line. Some things of beauty the Montreal blue line hadn't seen since the days Robinson patrolled it. Therrien & JJD, small-minded risk-averse morons that they are, coached it right out of him.

And with PK on the ice, you're not as often in your zone needing to block shots. Josh Gorges was always heralded as such a great shot blocker when he was with the Habs; that's because the puck was always in the D-zone when he was out there. He was a possession anchor and highly overrated.

 

[nomorekids]

Optimus has the right of it. Suter once said, somewhat ironically, because Greg Zanon was on the team at the time, that if youre blocking a lot of shots it means that you're not a very good defenseman...you're not only stuck in your own zone, you don't have the puck.

It's why analytics folks hate Kris Russell so much. To the average fan, they see a shot blocking warrior...but his underlying numbers scream "if I'm on the ice, be prepared to be in full defense mode"

 

[NSH615]

Optimus has the right of it. Suter once said, somewhat ironically, because Greg Zanon was on the team at the time, that if youre blocking a lot of shots it means that you're not a very good defenseman...you're not only stuck in your own zone, you don't have the puck.

It's why analytics folks hate Kris Russell so much. To the average fan, they see a shot blocking warrior...but his underlying numbers scream "if I'm on the ice, be prepared to be in full defense mode"

I'll admit, I am one who does not quite understand these advanced stats. But that's 100% on him? I get that is a bad indicator for him a player as he is a defender but I mean there are 4 other skaters on the ice most of the time he is out there.

 

[nomorekids]

I'll admit, I am one who does not quite understand these advanced stats. But that's 100% on him? I get that is a bad indicator for him a player as he is a defender but I mean there are 4 other skaters on the ice most of the time he is out there.

that's where corsi relative comes in. it helps to isolate just who the problem is. In the case of Russell, the numbers say "when he is on the ice, bad stuff is happening. When he leaves the ice, it gets dramatically better."

 

[FFWRX]

that's where corsi relative comes in. it helps to isolate just who the problem is. In the case of Russell, the numbers say "when he is on the ice, bad stuff is happening. When he leaves the ice, it gets dramatically better."

How does Josi's corsi look? He was 8th in blocked shots.

 

[nomorekids]

How does Josi's corsi look? He was 8th in blocked shots.

49% at 5 on 5 close, which isn't terrible, but not great either for an elite defenseman. Now here's where it gets interesting. Looking at WOWY (With or Without You) info for Josi and Weber, Josi's Corsi percentage in the same situations:

WITH Weber - 35.4
WITHOUT Weber - 51.3

What does that tell you about why Josi was blocking so many shots? And what Weber, as a D partner, was doing to puck possession when that pairing was on the ice?

Taking it a step further, when Weber is NOT on the ice, the team was almost 4 percent better in terms of corsi-for events. Now, some of that can be explained away by deployment -- Weber's percentage of starts in the defensive zone is higher than anyone else's, but that's still a pretty big gap.

 

[SauceMyBiscuit]

I don't think there's lots of Weber crits, but rather everyone wants to compare Weber and Subban to analyze how they will play in their new situations.

Despite winning the NHL leadership award, Weber did not seem like a vocal leader at all.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

My biggest concern is more Subban's style clashing with some of the other guys. I think it will be OK, but it is going to be a cultural shock for these guys.

I'm happy with the trade, but I can't help but be a bit worried about Subban's presence. I understand it's Montreal yada yada yada, but if life has taught me anything, these things are rarely black and white. Usually both parties are at least partially at fault.

I am really hoping, however, this is a Seguin like move. Maybe it will wake PK up a bit and refocus him on hockey and his locker room persona.

 

[Drake744]

My biggest concern is more Subban's style clashing with some of the other guys. I think it will be OK, but it is going to be a cultural shock for these guys.

I'm happy with the trade, but I can't help but be a bit worried about Subban's presence. I understand it's Montreal yada yada yada, but if life has taught me anything, these things are rarely black and white. Usually both parties are at least partially at fault.

I am really hoping, however, this is a Seguin like move. Maybe it will wake PK up a bit and refocus him on hockey and his locker room persona.

I was going to compare this situation to Seguin in a post earlier. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

 

[Byrddog]

Guys PK was in a market where if he farted it was in the news. Hes going to be fine and Weber is going to be fine as well(Ihope). Everyone has wanted this team to have more publicity well were dang sure gonna get it with this guy. The casual viewers from Canada is going to blow up. We will no longer have to defend guys like Josi Or Ekholm due to them not being seen. This has been the best move for the franchise all around in many years.

 

[NSH615]

Guys PK was in a market where if he farted it was in the news. Hes going to be fine and Weber is going to be fine as well(Ihope). Everyone has wanted this team to have more publicity well were dang sure gonna get it with this guy. The casual viewers from Canada is going to blow up. We will no longer have to defend guys like Josi Or Ekholm due to them not being seen. This has been the best move for the franchise all around in many years.

Weber's personality + Canadian media = ugly combination. I have a feeling that Weber would ask for a trade after not too long as I think the media will run him out town.