Confirmed with Link: (NAS/MTL) Shea Weber for P.K. Subban

[Mass]

Hashtag# Pysyk > Josi

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

I'm pretty sure Weber also played with Bouillon at one point.

But picture Weber playing with Bouillion and having Therrien as his coach.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Subban was by far the best D man in Montréal and the best partner he ever had was the aging Markov. Imagine if he had better D partner. We'll see that in Nashville.

Yep. Can't wait to see how he does in Nashville with a competent coach and better players.

 

[DangerDave]

Weber's shot on the PP was less effective after Horny was traded for Neal. Fisher, Salomaki, Wilson, and even Goose were asked to fill that role. No one has been able to screen the goalie anywhere near as effectively as Hornqvist. Much of the talk about trading for Hartnel centered around that role in front of the goal crease. Even without someone taking away the sight of goalies, Weber scored at a pretty good clip on the PP. Granted, he had plenty of opportunities. I have a hard time believing Subban will match his goal production on or off the PP. If Montreal has someone that can play that role, Weber could put up 25 goals. But even without someone screening the net, he should get 15-20 goals.

Subban had 6 goals last season. That puts him 5th behind Weber (20), Josi (14), Ellis (10), & Ekholm (8). Weber has scored over 15 goals in each of the 8 seasons he played at least 65 games. Subban hit 15 once in 5 seasons. For an elite, dynamic playmaking Dman with the best one-timer in the league, he doesn't come close to matching Weber's goal production. So come on Habs-turned-Preds fans, keep telling me how Montreal got screwed. Because he played his career in Nashville, you have no idea what you're getting.

You are dealing with a very emotional and intense fanbase. Nobody is getting screwed. PK will be great in Nashville. He may be a bit overrated by most of us habs fans but rest assured, he's elite.

As for myself, I can;t wait to have Weber. He's always been my favorite player. I know he'll be a great fit for us.

 

[Armourboy]

Other than his puck moving the only real concern Habs fans should have about Weber is his health. He's played a ton of physical minutes and will play many more before it's said and done.

 

[Drake744]

Other than his puck moving the only real concern Habs fans should have about Weber is his health. He's played a ton of physical minutes and will play many more before it's said and done.

Yeah I haven't heard this talked about a whole lot. Weber will be 31 when the season starts but who knows how "old" his body is? He obviously plays a very tough and physical game, has been in the NHL since he was 20, and plays additional games in the playoffs more years than not (insert joke here about not being in them for very long). He missed most of our stint in the 15 playoffs with a dislocated kneecap and is showing signs of a car that gradually starts to break down. This isn't a knock on him, it's just what has happened to him after more than a decade of being a #1 defenseman with the way he plays. Trust me I love Weber and always will but there's something in the back of my mind that worries about potential injuries in the not terribly distant future.

 

[braindead]

Yeah I haven't heard this talked about a whole lot. Weber will be 31 when the season starts but who knows how "old" his body is? He obviously plays a very tough and physical game, has been in the NHL since he was 20, and plays additional games in the playoffs more years than not (insert joke here about not being in them for very long). He missed most of our stint in the 15 playoffs with a dislocated kneecap and is showing signs of a car that gradually starts to break down. This isn't a knock on him, it's just what has happened to him after more than a decade of being a #1 defenseman with the way he plays. Trust me I love Weber and always will but there's something in the back of my mind that worries about potential injuries in the not terribly distant future.

Mmmmmm. I'm not sure. I've always thought Weber just is physical as opposed to playing physical if that makes sense. Angry Shea PLAYS physical, regular Shea just is physical. As such, I tend to think he can keep it up for quite a while because it isn't likely to take as much of a toll on him. We will see.

 

[Gnashville]

One thing is certain this trade will be talked about for a long long time.

 

[Church]

One thing is certain this trade will be talked about for a long long time.

We're on part 6 on our boards

 

[Runner77]

Other than his puck moving the only real concern Habs fans should have about Weber is his health. He's played a ton of physical minutes and will play many more before it's said and done.

Same concern raised by Pierre McGuire the day the trade was announced -- lots of mileage on Weber. How many more years at the current performance levels? Many are saying he's a good bet for another 2 years but are quick to point out that a decline is impending if it hasn't already started. I haven't followed him closely enough to know.

 

[Price is Wright]

Same concern raised by Pierre McGuire the day the trade was announced -- lots of mileage on Weber. How many more years at the current performance levels? Many are saying he's a good bet for another 2 years but are quick to point out that a decline is impending if it hasn't already started. I haven't followed him closely enough to know.

If you're a physical player in the Atlantic division, chances are you'll be pressured to be even more physical due to rivalries in the division. Montreal faces Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Ottawa, and Buffalo, all teams that bring the sandpaper against Montreal. Shea Weber is gonna feel the pressure to bring his physical A game against those clubs at every matchup. He's gonna be expected to face wash after whistles near Price. The whole reason Alexei Emelin is in the NHL with the contract he has is because he brings his A game against Boston. If Weber is smart he'll play smart and just try to win on the scoreboard, but too often in Montreal the scrappy guys wanna make a statement when playing for the Habs and it leads to quick injuries and shorter careers.

 

[Legionnaire11]

If you're a physical player in the Atlantic division, chances are you'll be pressured to be even more physical due to rivalries in the division. Montreal faces Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Ottawa, and Buffalo, all teams that bring the sandpaper against Montreal. Shea Weber is gonna feel the pressure to bring his physical A game against those clubs at every matchup. He's gonna be expected to face wash after whistles near Price. The whole reason Alexei Emelin is in the NHL with the contract he has is because he brings his A game against Boston. If Weber is smart he'll play smart and just try to win on the scoreboard, but too often in Montreal the scrappy guys wanna make a statement when playing for the Habs and it leads to quick injuries and shorter careers.

It's easy to believe that if you aren't engrained in the day to day battles of a division. But having followed the Lightning closely for the last two seasons while I lived there, I would say that the Eastern conference is not as physical as the West. The Central and Pacific have a lot of hard minutes, on average it's a bit tougher.

It's not a huge difference, the hockey generally looks the same around the league, I just think there's a slight edge in the West and then you throw the travel on top of it.

I actually think Shea will be in for a bit of an ease in physical punishment to his body.

 

[bdub24]

If you're a physical player in the Atlantic division, chances are you'll be pressured to be even more physical due to rivalries in the division. Montreal faces Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Ottawa, and Buffalo, all teams that bring the sandpaper against Montreal. Shea Weber is gonna feel the pressure to bring his physical A game against those clubs at every matchup. He's gonna be expected to face wash after whistles near Price. The whole reason Alexei Emelin is in the NHL with the contract he has is because he brings his A game against Boston. If Weber is smart he'll play smart and just try to win on the scoreboard, but too often in Montreal the scrappy guys wanna make a statement when playing for the Habs and it leads to quick injuries and shorter careers.

Someone is gonna have to teach him about standing up for the goalie like you describe. It is the one thing that pisses me off about this team. Basically Pekka has to get charged before our players get in the faces of opponents that end the play in Peks face. Drives me nuts they aren't more territorial and protective.

 

[Price is Wright]

It's easy to believe that if you aren't engrained in the day to day battles of a division. But having followed the Lightning closely for the last two seasons while I lived there, I would say that the Eastern conference is not as physical as the West. The Central and Pacific have a lot of hard minutes, on average it's a bit tougher.

It's not a huge difference, the hockey generally looks the same around the league, I just think there's a slight edge in the West and then you throw the travel on top of it.

I actually think Shea will be in for a bit of an ease in physical punishment to his body.

Tampa isn't a physical team until they play the Habs. Then they ramp up the physical game. When Weber plays the Hurricanes he won't have to be so physical but against an Atlantic division team he will be pushed to prove himself to the locker.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Tampa isn't a physical team until they play the Habs. Then they ramp up the physical game. When Weber plays the Hurricanes he won't have to be so physical but against an Atlantic division team he will be pushed to prove himself to the locker.

That's just false, I have to respectfully disagree. The Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Wings, Caps... are all big games for the Lightning. From a fans perspective and what some media wants the narrative to be, isn't always what actually happens on the ice and in the room.

There is no evidence, as I've watched many, many, many games from teams around the league every year, that Weber is going to a more or even equally physically demanding environment in Montreal/Atlantic/East.

 

[NSH615]

That's just false, I have to respectfully disagree. The Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Wings, Caps... are all big games for the Lightning. From a fans perspective and what some media wants the narrative to be, isn't always what actually happens on the ice and in the room.

There is no evidence, as I've watched many, many, many games from teams around the league every year, that Weber is going to a more or even equally physically demanding environment in Montreal/Atlantic/East.

Yeah...I would say it is lesser simply due to

1) Less St. Louis
2) Less Chicago
3) Less Minnesota
4) Less Anaheim
5) Less Kings
6) Less San Jose
7) Less Winnipeg

Now they do get more toughness from the more Flyers and more Bruins, but that's all I can think of.

 

[Runner77]

So everyone agrees with Pierre McGuire's take, that there is a lot of mileage on Weber, which tilts the trade in favor of the Preds?

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Don't know if these have been posted yet, But Boullion's comments about the two were eye opening.

A rundown of some of Bouillon’s comments, as reported by the Montreal Gazette:

• On Weber: “(Weber has) a lot of character, a good attitude and we all know the Canadiens missed some of that last year. He has everything; I call him Mr. Hockey. If you’re looking for a good guy, a leader, that’s Shea Weber.”

• On Subban: “P.K. is like your little brother at home — sometimes you like him, sometimes he’s all around you when you’re not feeling good. He’s got a different character but, at the end of the day, he’s your brother.

“He’s a good player but he has a different sense of humor. The bottom line is, you win with guys like P.K.”

Source: http://www.nashvillepost.com/sports.../bouillon-says-predators-canadiens-got-better

I really hope we made the right deal.

 

[KurtAngle]

Teams in the West just learned to leave Weber alone. Anyone who thinks he cant be as physical as he wants will be surprised. The East isn't more physical than the West just more pushing and shoving after the plays.

Agreed.

I am still amazed Weber went from our "All World Defenseman" to a broken down old car in a week.

 

[deanwormer]

Yeah...I would say it is lesser simply due to

1) Less St. Louis
2) Less Chicago
3) Less Minnesota
4) Less Anaheim
5) Less Kings
6) Less San Jose
7) Less Winnipeg

Now they do get more toughness from the more Flyers and more Bruins, but that's all I can think of.

When talking Flyers and Bruins, the word you are looking for is THUGness.

 

[Legionnaire11]

And the Flyers aren't exactly the Bullies these days.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Yeah...I would say it is lesser simply due to

1) Less St. Louis
2) Less Chicago
3) Less Minnesota
4) Less Anaheim
5) Less Kings
6) Less San Jose
7) Less Winnipeg

Now they do get more toughness from the more Flyers and more Bruins, but that's all I can think of.

Wait. When did Chicago get tough?

 

[NSH615]

Wait. When did Chicago get tough?

Well they lost the last one I can think of in Shaw, but I seem to remember more than that a couple of years ago. Maybe I was wrong there.


But hey, they added TooToo, so I guess they intend to still fight some.

 

[1909]

Other than his puck moving the only real concern Habs fans should have about Weber is his health. He's played a ton of physical minutes and will play many more before it's said and done.

You're right.

P.K. is not the one that was hitting the most (nor the best) , or blocking shots. He let his fellow d-men do the dirty work.

 

[Runner77]

Someone on the mains posted that PK has the 2nd highest goals scored in the playoffs for a defenseman, since 2010, right behind Duncan Keith.

If someone has a list or a link, please post. Thanks.