Confirmed with Link: (NAS/MTL) Shea Weber for P.K. Subban
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Can't Montreal trade Weber after they got a few/some years out of him before he starts declining in play because of his age?
That first video...klt...too funny. I disagree about Shea being an OPOS but other than that...
I would think they could trade him...but who'd take him with that cap hit? Ha ha!
I would think they could trade him...but who'd take him with that cap hit? Ha ha!
Byrddog
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Weber's contract really did end up biting him in the butt. I think he still has some good years in him but 10 years? I think this trade might hurt us short term but in the long term we definitely won out as at least we are getting a younger, fast player. I will be really surprised if Weber is still great all the way through his 10 year contract if he doesn't retire before then. He already seemed to have lost a step this past playoff season.
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I think Weber will be fine the first few years and probably help the team get to the playoffs but after that when he starts declining w/ age then they will be calling for someone's head. I don't know I could be wrong though as there are a couple hockey players in their late 30's/early 40's that still play great but that's a rarity. If Weber retires though, let's hope he retires early rather than later in order to spread out the recapture fee we will have to pay. When you add what we are going to be paying PK Subban for his 6 year contract plus the recapture fee if Weber retires before his contract is up than we are actually going to be paying the same amount as if we just kept Weber for the remainder of his 10 year contract. If Weber is a beast or still an elite defense man for 6 years of the remainder of his 10 year contract then this trade will be a bust for us imo. If Weber declines w/ age though and PK Subban is great for us over his 6 year contract term then this trade will end up being great for us.
If Weber was younger and in his prime, I wouldn't have done this trade but w/ Weber being older and likely to regress w/ age and Preds management wanting to go younger and faster, I understand this trade.
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SauceMyBiscuit
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Does this trade put us in "win now" mode? Or rather does it give us more time and more chances to win a cup? Lots of preds fans want to pull the trigger on an overpriced UFA or make a high end trade.
I think we should wait for the perfect move in the next year or two now that our 1D is a few years younger. That's my two cents.
I think we should wait for the perfect move in the next year or two now that our 1D is a few years younger. That's my two cents.
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I think it actually widens our window, but we still should be in "win now" mode based on Fisher and Rinne
I think next year is our best shot(on paper anyway) that we've ever had
I think the expansion draft is going to play a bigger part in any other moves that might be made, so we might add another piece this year or next just depends on what opportunities present themselves to Poile.
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Webers game will not be much different than what it has been the last two years here. The thing is the game PK plays is the exact opposite of Weber. PK fits Lavi's system and coaching philosophy. Weber is from the Trotz mold. Weber will have his 15 to 20 goals next year but his playmaking ability will be what hurts the Habs. Pk is as talented as Johanson in the ability to make plays and move the puck. He will top out at 10 to 15 goals but if Poile can find a LW and RW finisher for the top 6 PK could have 60 or more assists. But Weber might work out well with the perimeter shot Montreal lacks finish ability in the top 6 as well. They may be transitioning into the type team we had before Lavi who knows. One thing is for sure there every NHL fan will be watching these two this year. I think most agree that PK will fit here and its questionable about Weber there, thats the reason most see us winning this trade.
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I think Nashville won that trade in terms of talent and player at his prime. Montréal had no choice of trading Subban due to the many gossips we heard from the locker room. In Eastern conference the play is slower and more conservative. Weber will fit better. Subban have to take care of big hits in Western Conference. Someone will wish him the 'welcome hit' to the Western Conference. Subban is so cocky, celebrate with so much style after a goal, he will be targetting pretty soon. But he's tough, he is 6 foot but he looks like a beast.
On the Montréal side our goalie will be back, he is top 3 of the league, or best of the league. We have good defensemen even after loosing Subban, we have some good prospects D coming so Weber as a mentor will be good at showing how to play. When Weber will decline in 5 years, I guess our GM will loose his job, the coach will be replaced and Mtl Canadiens will become ridiculous having Weber with his contract. But I don't think too much about in 5 years, let's think about the bridge when we'll arrive to the river.
On the Montréal side our goalie will be back, he is top 3 of the league, or best of the league. We have good defensemen even after loosing Subban, we have some good prospects D coming so Weber as a mentor will be good at showing how to play. When Weber will decline in 5 years, I guess our GM will loose his job, the coach will be replaced and Mtl Canadiens will become ridiculous having Weber with his contract. But I don't think too much about in 5 years, let's think about the bridge when we'll arrive to the river.
I agree. It feels like passing the puck around the perimeter waiting for a Weber bomb was the only thing we have done for years now.
They always talked about different strategies etc. but when it came down to it we saw that more than anything else.
Forsberg, RyJo, Josi, PK all have elite level passing to work with on the PP now. It should be really interesting.
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I doubt the PP schemes change much. Lavi was never a fan of the feeding defensemen the puck on the PP and letting the bombs go. WHile he reverted to it a few times he still promoted the defense jumping into the offense. On the PP and 5 on 5. This is why I think PK is going to make such a improvment in both areas. Hopefully it will help 3 on 3 as well, after lasts years results there no way to go but up.
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PK Subban is excellent in power play. He is the best one timer shooter of the league. He skates lateral, wait for the pass and blast the puck. He doen't have to stop the puck, he receive a fast puck and just blast it. Not always on the net but most of the times on the net. Goals comes pretty fast with Subban. Sometimes he injure a player of his own team or opposite team. His shoot is about 101 mph. But all Eastern Teams have solved the problem and Subban wasn't able to shoot on PP last year. They systematicly blocked the shooting corridors of Subban. Only 6 goals last year.
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SauceMyBiscuit
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Thank god. Everyone talks about how Weber scored 20 goals last season. 14 of those goals were on the powerplay and at least one goal was an empty netter. Our PP1 unit was so stale in a large part because of Weber.
This year we could feed yannick Weber one-timers and probably get the same productivity.
Luckily Subban and Josi and going to move the puck like nothing we've seen before.
glenngineer
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Take it one step further, we will have 4 guys that can handle the puck like nobodies business in Josi, Subban, Forsberg and Johansen. How fun is that going to be to watch. I just wish we'd line up with guys on the faceoff dot that shoot the opposite way of which dot they're on so we can get off some one timers properly.
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You just contradicted yourself here. This is the only scheme Lavy has employed while here. If he was never a fan of it, why wasn't it changed already? A perfect example of this was in the playoffs, I think it was one of the Ducks games. In a span of about 10-20 seconds: Pass to Weber - BOOM and miss - Pass, Pass, Pass to Weber - Boom and miss - Pass, Pass, Pass to Weber - Boom and Goal.
This team needs to utilize Johansen, Neal, and Forsberg more than they do on the PP.
Feed it to Subban works just fine too. I'm just glad Nashville already is my west coast team. Subban is an excellent possession player, and I expect the Predators to be a lot better with him in the line up, especially if Lavi let's him do his thing
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Imagine if Neal scored more PP goals? He had what, 4 during the regular season? He's not a big PP contributor as far as goals goes. Love to see him light the lamp more to be honest. If he did score at a rate most top 3 guys score at he'd be a 40 goal scorer year in and out.
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But isn't part of that the PP scheme this team has been running? It was all about bombing from the point. The forwards were mostly just there to create traffic and grab to puck to send back to the defensemen, thus making Neal ineffective.
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Subban puts the Preds in the "win now and long term" mode. A franchise player who is just entering his prime years. I wish I were in Nashville to witness all he'll do. What a lucky fanbase you have. Enjoy.
I think both teams benefited from this trade w/ us benefiting more long term than Montreal and Montreal benefiting short term. I think Montreal will be fine as they will have both Weber and Radulov. If Radulov matured like he says he has I see them making the playoffs and maybe a run for the cup.
https://www.nhl.com/fr/canadiens/video/audio-alexander-radulov/t-277616218/c-44328103
https://www.nhl.com/fr/canadiens/video/audio-alexander-radulov/t-277616218/c-44328103
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