Proposal: MTL & STL

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Neutrinos

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Montreal <-- Bolduc, Scandella

St. Louis <-- Evans, Edmundson (50% ret.)


Habs get a C prospect from Quebec who was taken 17th in the 2021 draft, and a veteran LD and Montreal native who may be needed in a leadership role during the rebuild if Petry and Savard are dealt

Blues land a versatile bottom 6 forward signed long term on a team-friendly deal, and a top 4 LD in Edmundson at half his cap hit. They also shed the final 2 years of Scandella's deal
 
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rumrokh

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Blues aren't going to spend Bolduc just to shed Scandella. They have too many big forwards going to unrestricted free agency and other guys owed big raises as RFA's over the next couple years. They view Bolduc as a big part of the next wave. The likely only way they trade him is for a long term solution on defense.
 

EastVillageBlues

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Thanks, but that does nothing for us.

Evans is of zero use given our current lineup. And if we wanted a top 4 LD, we would just resign Leddy at 4-5M; who is a much, much better option than Edmundson. We know what Edmundson is, and he doesn't do much to improve our backend, and is a clear downgrade from Leddy. We certainly are not going to send one of our top 3 prospects for some at best questionable pieces.
 
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BlueDream

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No way. We are high on Bolduc and he has way more value than that. Only way he would be traded is in a package for a legit top pairing D. And Edmundson is not that guy.
 
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jfhabs

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Thanks, but that does nothing for us.

Evans is of zero use given our current lineup. And if we wanted a top 4 LD, we would just resign Leddy at 4-5M; who is a much, much better option than Edmundson. We know what Edmundson is, and he doesn't do much to improve our backend, and is a clear downgrade from Leddy. We certainly are not going to send one of our top 3 prospects for some at best questionable pieces.
Edmundson is probably a bit better then the last time you saw him in St.Louis. He has a lot more experience under his belt since.
While Evans isn't a world beater, he had a ton of speed and heart. He'd probably be your 9th-10th best forward on the depth chart right now.
All in all this trade makes the Blues a better team today, but clearly not better enough to lose a former 1st round pick in Bolduc.
 
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EastVillageBlues

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Edmundson is probably a bit better then the last time you saw him in St.Louis. He has a lot more experience under his belt since.
While Evans isn't a world beater, he had a ton of speed and heart. He'd probably be your 9th-10th best forward on the depth chart right now.
All in all this trade makes the Blues a better team today, but clearly not better enough to lose a former 1st round pick in Bolduc.

Definitely not; this trade will automatically prevent us from signing Leddy (or a comparable D).

Evans is of zero value to the Blues (not saying about WRT other teams, but to the makeup of the Blues today). Edmundson, we know very very well, and even given moderate progress, he is not in the same ilk of D that Leddy is, who is a smooth skating PMD that we can pair with Parayko very easily, and who worked very well in our system since the trade deadline.

So no, this trade would absolutely make the Blues a worse team, TODAY.
 

jfhabs

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Definitely not; this trade will automatically prevent us from signing Leddy (or a comparable D).

Evans is of zero value to the Blues (not saying about WRT other teams, but to the makeup of the Blues today). Edmundson, we know very very well, and even given moderate progress, he is not in the same ilk of D that Leddy is, who is a smooth skating PMD that we can pair with Parayko very easily, and who worked very well in our system since the trade deadline.

So no, this trade would absolutely make the Blues a worse team, TODAY.
Well as of right now, it looks like you won't be able to retain Leddy anyway. Taking an extra .2M in cap isn't the difference maker. Edmunson is an upgrade on Scandella/Mikkola and Evans on Brown/Bozak/Toropchenko.
 

Captain Mountain

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Montreal <-- Bolduc, Scandella

St. Louis <-- Evans, Edmundson (50% ret.)


Habs get a C prospect from Quebec who was taken 17th in the 2021 draft, and a veteran LD and Montreal native who may be needed in a leadership role during the rebuild if Petry and Savard are dealt

Blues land a versatile bottom 6 forward signed long term on a team-friendly deal, and a top 4 LD in Edmundson at half his cap hit. They also shed the final 2 years of Scandella's deal

I really don't get why Montreal would even consider this. Bolduc is a very good prospect, but its not like Montreal doesn't have quality QMJHL prospects from the 2021 NHL draft. Maybe they really like him, but the rest of the deal is worse.

Montreal traded Scandella to St. Louis, fans know that Edmundson is way more of a veteran leader (as well as being cheaper and better when healthy). There's zero indication that Montreal will be moving Savard either. Plus Montreal needs to retain on Edmundson AND give up Evans? Unless you think Bolduc has a realistic path at being a 1st line center, its not worth it.
 

rumrokh

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Edmundson is probably a bit better then the last time you saw him in St.Louis. He has a lot more experience under his belt since.
While Evans isn't a world beater, he had a ton of speed and heart. He'd probably be your 9th-10th best forward on the depth chart right now.
All in all this trade makes the Blues a better team today, but clearly not better enough to lose a former 1st round pick in Bolduc.

A friend is a big Montreal fan, so I watch them a lot. Edmundson is pretty much the same player. The current Blues' coaching staff completely lost faith in his play against teams that play with quickness. Even if some fans want him back because they're nostalgic for the Cup year, there's no way the coaches do.

Also, I like Evans, but he would not be in the Blues' top 9. No "probably" about it. Definitely.
 

HuGo Sham

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A friend is a big Montreal fan, so I watch them a lot. Edmundson is pretty much the same player. The current Blues' coaching staff completely lost faith in his play against teams that play with quickness. Even if some fans want him back because they're nostalgic for the Cup year, there's no way the coaches do.

Also, I like Evans, but he would not be in the Blues' top 9. No "probably" about it. Definitely.
eddy is WAY better than scandella. and he's signed for next 2 years
Evans is a solid 3C with a great contract for the next 3 years.
Mtl doesn't make this trade either
 

Vektor

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eddy is WAY better than scandella. and he's signed for next 2 years
Evans is a solid 3C with a great contract for the next 3 years.
Mtl doesn't make this trade either
We have had Eddy we know what he is. Its pretty much a wash between the two.
 

PJJJP

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eddy is WAY better than scandella. and he's signed for next 2 years
Evans is a solid 3C with a great contract for the next 3 years.
Mtl doesn't make this trade either
The blues don't really need Evans at 3C when we have Schenn playing there. This trade doesn't really do anything or upgrade the blues and it seems from Montreal fans that it doesn't seem to do anything for them. Don't think we make good trading partners
 

HuGo Sham

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We have had Eddy we know what he is. Its pretty much a wash between the two.
I completely disagree

The blues don't really need Evans at 3C when we have Schenn playing there. This trade doesn't really do anything or upgrade the blues and it seems from Montreal fans that it doesn't seem to do anything for them. Don't think we make good trading partners
yeah trade makes no sense. Evans fits into Mtl's timeline and has become the 3 C while being young and cost-controlled. He has concussion issues but has been very good when healthy. I think Eddy his way better than Scandella and Marco was already here and traded to you guys. Bolduc is a nice piece, but Habs will have a bit of a jam at C with suzuki, wright/cooley, Evans, Dvorak, Poehling etc
 

Neutrinos

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Blues aren't going to spend Bolduc just to shed Scandella. They have too many big forwards going to unrestricted free agency and other guys owed big raises as RFA's over the next couple years. They view Bolduc as a big part of the next wave. The likely only way they trade him is for a long term solution on defense.

That's not what the trade is

They're getting an upgrade at LD, and a versatile bottom 6 forward, while also dumping Scandella
 

EastVillageBlues

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That's not what the trade is

They're getting an upgrade at LD, and a versatile bottom 6 forward, while also dumping Scandella

Not an upgrade, it's a downgrade.

We would rather having to move Barbashev to fit in Leddy or a comparable D, than going for the half-assed solution of Edmunson (he is nothing special, we know him very, very well over the years).

And we certainly aren't going to move top prospect in the organization to do it.
 

rumrokh

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That's not what the trade is

They're getting an upgrade at LD, and a versatile bottom 6 forward, while also dumping Scandella

Edmundson doesn't move the needle and Evans would play on their 4th line. The Blues need a legit long term solution defenseman and don't need depth forwards. So, yes, when you consider actual needs, that is exactly what the trade is.
 

Kudo Shinichi

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Not interested.
Evans is developing into a solid 2-way 3rd line center, and Edmundson should be able to return a late 1st at the tdl when we decide to trade him.
 

Neutrinos

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Not interested.
Evans is developing into a solid 2-way 3rd line center, and Edmundson should be able to return a late 1st at the tdl when we decide to trade him.

Evans is 26, and will hit UFA in 3 years

He's not what a rebuilding team should consider a "keeper"
 

McJedi

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Montreal <-- Bolduc, Scandella

St. Louis <-- Evans, Edmundson (50% ret.)


Habs get a C prospect from Quebec who was taken 17th in the 2021 draft, and a veteran LD and Montreal native who may be needed in a leadership role during the rebuild if Petry and Savard are dealt

Blues land a versatile bottom 6 forward signed long term on a team-friendly deal, and a top 4 LD in Edmundson at half his cap hit. They also shed the final 2 years of Scandella's deal
Makes no sense for the blues. Habs should change Evans to Romanov and that may get the Blues attention.
 

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