Proposal: MTL - NYR Blockbuster

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Mcdonagh is awful not even close to Pacioretty.

Yeah, good thing you guys got rid of him when you did.....

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Hudler. That's your answer?

No. Just an option for depth. Add Hudler, Radulov replaces Pacioretty's production and you hope one of the kids (Carr, Andrighetto) has a 20 goal year.

 

[puckluck33*]

Are you talking about Ryan McDonagh or someone else?

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

 

[YP44]

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

cause they play the same position, same style, and have same roles right?

Jesus what a piss poor stat to use to compare the two.

 

[Legend123]

i prefer pacs straight up than Mcdonagh, as much as i love Mcdonagh, pacs is a goal scoring beast with a tiny salary of 4.5M for the next 2 years. Thats incredible value, you just cant pass on that.
So yeah, pacs + beaulieu is laughable. But so is the op proposal, assuming nash has good value. Idk if he has any after all his injuries, age, decline and contract length (??).

habs dont need nash. They could use Mcdonagh but pacs has more value to the habs than Mcdonagh would.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

i prefer pacs straight up than Mcdonagh, as much as i love Mcdonagh, pacs is a goal scoring beast with a tiny salary of 4.5M for the next 2 years. Thats incredible value, you just cant pass on that.
So yeah, pacs + beaulieu is laughable. But so is the op proposal, assuming nash has good value. Idk if he has any after all his injuries, age, decline and contract length (??).

habs dont need nash. They could use Mcdonagh but pacs has more value to the habs than Mcdonagh would.

So many contradictory thoughts here, I don't know what your trying to say.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

School can't start soon enough.....

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

Oh boy....boy oh boy oh ****ing boy...

You realize you're comparing a defenseman to one of the best scoring forwards in the league in the goals department, right????

 

[bernmeister]

That deal is ALMOST as bad, as this one. Smh

welcome to the boards, rookie.

the trade noted in my post was okayed by Maukkis, a known Jets fan.
younger Trouba worth more in a vacuum, but Winni need for lefty, McD's sweetheart deal, pay raise for Trouba, all make my prop fair.

An intimate observer. At any rate, I think Pacioretty for McDonagh straight up is a pretty fair deal, but acknowledge that it is harder to find D over Wingers. With that said, does:

Pacioretty & Beaulieu

for

McDonagh

Work?

No, and the reason is you are looking at what is perceived fair value, but ignoring whether or not a given player commands more in competitive bids.

I think Trouba and 2 picks upgraded is best return for Rangers, but there could be even higher offers. If the case, would have to see if even if more were returned, would that be best fit for NY needs.

But my point is, Max Pax is great and all that, but he is not the best return of THAT asset for a team looking to get younger and cheaper.

YOUR BID NEEDS TO BE COMPETITIVE AT MIN, AND ULTIMATELY, THE BEST ONE, IN TERMS OF BOTH RETURN AND FIT, TO PREVAIL.

Honestly, I thought it made sense initially, Nash having to be protected in Expansion etc. However, having thought about it and read the responses, I think the following is equitable and honestly might make both teams better.

Pacioretty & Beaulieu

for

McDonagh

no, see above

any interest in Marc Staal?

 

[Legend123]

So many contradictory thoughts here, I don't know what your trying to say.

well pacs imo is better than both rangers, as well as he has more value than the both of them (1v1). And the only reason the trade is bad in the eyes of rangers fans is bcuz of nash being a throw in to the deal while acquiring a player in emelin they already have too much of (girardi, staal).
But I do wonder if nash has any value to nhl Gms anymore. I dont think he does have any value at 8M for the next 2 years with a heavy decline in his overall play, his age and his injuries.

So yeah, at first it might seem off for rangers, I now think its off for the habs just because they pick up an 8M contract whereas the rangers pick up just 4.5 (emelin).

In all, its a well thought no from montreal.

 

[Legend123]

any interest in Marc Staal?

No, he might acquire emelin at this point.

 

[jacks*]

Honestly, I thought it made sense initially, Nash having to be protected in Expansion etc. However, having thought about it and read the responses, I think the following is equitable and honestly might make both teams better.

Pacioretty & Beaulieu

for

McDonagh

Hell no from the Habs.

 

[imapylon]

Not a good move for the Rangers

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Last 3 years Pacioretty 106 goals...Mcdonagh 31

great analysis

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pacioretty over rated... Habs are going no where with him as their captain and leader. Good thing they got Weber. Something less for Pacioretty to cry about

 

[Stasis]

Love Patches, but we have that in Nash. Except Nash is more physical (somehow), and a great two-way player who really helps on the PK. Not sure how Patches is in that department, admittedly. He has a great cap hit, and I'd love to have him, but we absolutely cannot get rid of our best defender who's at an equally fantastic cap hit.

Our defense is our weakness right now. Emelin does nothing to help that, lol. We need to add TO McD, not exchange him for something weaker + a forward, no matter how good the contract. We don't really need more goal scoring, it's not an issue. He'd be a great Nash replacement, sure, especially at that hit. Still doesn't make sense for us.

 

[Legend123]

Love Patches, but we have that in Nash. Except Nash is more physical (somehow), and a great two-way player who really helps on the PK. Not sure how Patches is in that department, admittedly. He has a great cap hit, and I'd love to have him, but we absolutely cannot get rid of our best defender who's at an equally fantastic cap hit.

Our defense is our weakness right now. Emelin does nothing to help that, lol. We need to add TO McD, not exchange him for something weaker + a forward, no matter how good the contract. We don't really need more goal scoring, it's not an issue. He'd be a great Nash replacement, sure, especially at that hit. Still doesn't make sense for us.

I agree completely with you that the rangers will and should never trade thier #1 D, cuz besides him, the rangers are pretty thin, esp after the loss of yandle. Just look at the oilers and what they did to acquire what they hope a top 2 D. No one will deny hall is the better player, but true top 2 Ds like Mcdonagh are too hard to find.

But in terms of value, Pacs, with his contract, imo, has equal value to Mcdonagh.
If you want offense --> take pacs
if you want Defense --> take Mcdonagh

P.S. sorry idk how to spell pacs real name

 

[nhlfan9191]

I agree completely with you that the rangers will and should never trade thier #1 D, cuz besides him, the rangers are pretty thin, esp after the loss of yandle. Just look at the oilers and what they did to acquire what they hope a top 2 D. No one will deny hall is the better player, but true top 2 Ds like Mcdonagh are too hard to find.

But in terms of value, Pacs, with his contract, imo, has equal value to Mcdonagh.
If you want offense --> take pacs
if you want Defense --> take Mcdonagh

P.S. sorry idk how to spell pacs real name

These two would probably come close to value in a one on one trade. No chance in **** we would add Beaulieu. The Rangers win the trade by a mile with that offer. But really what it comes down to is team needs. Like you said, scoring vs defence. Habs need the scoring, Rangers need the defence so there's no deal to be made.

 

[jacks*]

Pacioretty over rated... Habs are going no where with him as their captain and leader. Good thing they got Weber. Something less for Pacioretty to cry about

106 goals over the last 3 seasons.Ya he's overrated.

 

[Riggins]

106 goals over the last 3 seasons.Ya he's overrated.

No one can complain about his goal totals. Him wearing the C however, you can definitely question his leadership at this point.

Can't believe we could have had an insane McDonagh-Subban pairing now we have neither.

 

[Dijock94]

This proposal is wild to say the least

 

[Shootertooter]

Mcdonagh is awful not even close to Pacioretty.

Mon. already gave up on the guy once....way to use reverse psychology and convince the Rangers he sucks, maybe they will trade him back.


The offer is a huge no. We lack D, we aren't giving up our #1 Dman, cost controlled and Capt. of the team.

and for Damn Sakes, Nash has a NMC to all Canadian teams.

can we counter Staal, Girardi and Glass for Weber? Now doesn't that seem absurd too?

 

[Vern]

Trading max pac, the 4th or 5th best goal scorer in the league, who actually is a great leader and hard physical player ( PK fans blame him for getting voted captain by his teammates), AND WHO IS ALSO SIGNED TIL 2019 AT 4.5, for mcD the #1 D who has broken 10 goals and 40 points once in his career.... would BE THE EPITOME OF STUPID.

then you throw in 8 mil nash who both sucked ass and was injured last year....

Emelin is a perfectly good dman. much better than girardi or staal.

Rangers would take this in a flash, regardless of the fact their d would be even more screwed. they're NY, they can just get the next big ufa dman that comes around or trade for shatty or whatever. max pacs dont come around and they dont get traded.

I would venture to say that "#1" defensemen get traded more often than current top 5 goal scorers. I thought stamkos would be traded, wanted it so bad lol. shoulda known better.

 

[CapSpace]

An intimate observer. At any rate, I think Pacioretty for McDonagh straight up is a pretty fair deal, but acknowledge that it is harder to find D over Wingers. With that said, does:

Pacioretty & Beaulieu

for

McDonagh

Work?

This is ****ing terrible for Montreal. Even MaxPac vs McDo one on one is terrible. Not value vise, but team's needs wise. We have no scoring depth at all but we have some good defensive prospects. Why give our 40-45 goals scorer for more defense ?