Proposal: MTL & NJ

[TBF1972]

Kovacevic is nothing. His play won't last. If Nemec can't beat him out NJ is in trouble.

i know it's tough to comprehend for a habs fan. but the devils try to win games. not just develop their youth.

 

[CTHabsfan]

The Canadiens traded up to draft Michael Hage this past June. They're not going to use him as a throw-in on a trade.

 

[TBF1972]

Is Nemec available at all? And if yes, what would NJ be looking for for him?

i assume not.

but if the devils would consider to trade him, the return would have to improve their chances to win now and the next two or three seasons.

 

[dirtydanglez]

you wanna give mailloux to the team that lost mcleod and foote, come on now.

 

[TBF1972]

Classic quantity for quality deal that a team never makes unless they are backed into a corner.

Would Habs fans accept Gritysuk + 1st for Demidov? Of course not

gritsyuk plays ahead of demidov. based on the logic in this thread the devils should get the 1st.

 

[BKarchitect]

The Canadiens traded up to draft Michael Hage this past June. They're not going to use him as a throw-in on a trade.

Nobody insinuated anything like that. He’s a great prospect, nobody said otherwise. The Devils just drafted Nemec 2nd overall and have no reason to be displeased with his progress, what do you expect they would want if you’re the inquiring team, a couple of ham sandwiches?

The Devils aren’t looking to deal Nemec, this thread wasn’t started under the premise of a Devils fan trying to “sell” their blue chip RHD.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Utterly and completely moronic — every word. Much of it not even worth attempting to respond to.

I’ll just give you one little nugget: Johnathan Kovacevic has been better than every single player on your team. He’s been the best defenseman on the Devils. The Devils also have Dougie Hamilton and signed Brett Pesce. Simon Nemec also suffered an injury in international play and started the season on a R-R pairing with a rookie.

I’ll let you try to comprehend some of that.

You can keep repeating that, but you’ve yet to point out exactly how, despite being challenged to do so more than once. Until you do (you can’t because every single one of the statements in question is true), you’re just describing your own posts with the bolded. I’d just leave the thread at this point if I was you.

I’ll let you try to comprehend some of that.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

You can keep repeating that, but you’ve yet to point out exactly how, despite being challenged to do so more than once. Until you do (you can’t because every single one of the statements in question is true), you’re just describing your own posts with the bolded. I’d just leave the thread at this point if I was you.

I’ll let you try to comprehend some of that.

Guy that doesn’t understand anything, hasn’t watched a single Devils game all year, didn’t watch any last year voice: Let me tell you about your team

 

[Xirik]

Guy that doesn’t understand anything, hasn’t watched a single Devils game all year, didn’t watch any last year voice: Let me tell you about your team

He's avoided Kovacevic being a top shutdown defenseman in the league three times now. At this point it time to call his posts a "defensive coping" reaction.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Guy that doesn’t understand anything, hasn’t watched a single Devils game all year, didn’t watch any last year voice: Let me tell you about your team

Again, you keep repeating the same thing over and over, but refuse to elaborate or back up your position.

Which of the facts in question do you disagree with? For a guy claiming someone else doesn’t understand anything, this should be easy.

Let’s hear it.

He's avoided Kovacevic being a top shutdown defenseman in the league three times now. At this point it time to call his posts a "defensive coping" reaction.

Go ask on the mains if anyone considers Kovacevic a top shutdown defenseman in the league or if they think he’ll sustain his play. Report back with the results.

 

[CanadienShark]

Guy that doesn’t understand anything, hasn’t watched a single Devils game all year, didn’t watch any last year voice: Let me tell you about your team

To be fair, we have a ton of Devils fans who never watch Montreal trying to tell us that they know more about Montreal players.

Look, as far as the OP goes, it's some good value going to NJ, but not enough to pry away Nemec. The deal just simply won't work.

 

[dgibb10]

You can keep repeating that, but you’ve yet to point out exactly how, despite being challenged to do so more than once. Until you do (you can’t because every single one of the statements in question is true), you’re just describing your own posts with the bolded. I’d just leave the thread at this point if I was you.

I’ll let you try to comprehend some of that.

Mailloux was the 7th dman drafted in 2021.

I'd take Luke, Power, Clarke, Moser, Evans, Edvinsson, Morrow, Zellweger over him today, so probably D9

Nemec is still D1 from his class.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Mailloux was the 7th dman drafted in 2021.

I'd take Luke, Power, Clarke, Moser, Evans, Edvinsson, Morrow, Zellweger over him today, so probably D9

Nemec is still D1 from his class.

Cool. So what? Mailloux has still risen from 31st overall in his class, and Nemec has fallen from 2nd overall in his. That was the point.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You can’t; that’s why. I’ll bring up each line/assertion for everyone to see then, since you want to double down on your BS.

I said the Devils underachieved and missed the playoffs last year. That’s a fact.

I said Nemec is watching games from the press box right now. That’s a fact.

I said that Kovacevic is currently playing in the Devil’s top-4, after being shipped out of MTL for nothing. That’s a fact.

I said Mailloux’s stock has risen from 31st in his draft class. That’s a fact.

I said Nemec’s stock has fallen from 2nd overall in his draft class. That’s a fact.

I said there’s a difference in expectations between a 2nd overall pick and a 31st overall pick. That’s a fact.

I said that Nemec and Mailloux are both in the same boat currently, i.e., not good enough to play with the big club. That’s a fact.

Which of the above facts do you disagree with? Explain.

The problem is you are trying to say these things are related. And avoiding a lot of context in doing so.

The Devil's missed the playoffs last year due primarily to ahitty goaltending and secondly to losing their #1 defenseman for 62 games last year, as well as man other games missed between Siegenthaler and Marino. The team had already moved on from 2 solid defenseman that summer too in Severson and Graves to make room for young guys like Bahl and Hughes and acclimate them into bigger roles. The injuries last resulted in those 2 players, along with Nemec (who they never intended to promote to the NHL originally) being forced into much bigger roles than they were ready for yet. It is already rare for a contending team to have a single top 4 defenseman under the US drinking age, let alone 2.

Nemec has played in 9/14 games this year. Luke Hughes and Brett Peace both started the season on IR but have recently returned to the lineup for the last 5 games. Casey was sent down already but the Devils are in the middle of a Western road trip so it makes no sense at all to send Nemec down until after they return home. It's not a big deal if he gets sent back down, Jiricek and Korchinski have already been assigned to the AHL too. It's better to play 20+ a night in the AHL than none in the NHL. But you can pretty much guarantee he's the first call up if an injury occurs on the Devils blue line.

It's a 14 game sample size where 2 of their regular top 4 guys were injured and replaced by kids. It's not logical to think a coach would play a couple 20 year olds more than a 27 year old. And it takes time for those previously injured players to get back up to speed. Highly unlikely Kovacevic remains in the top 4 over the course of the season. Small sample size ice time can also be effected by extended shifts from icings, and special teams time. Just like how Mark Kastelic isn't going to maintain a 30% scoring rate, these numbers will even put with a bigger sample size.

Mailloux's stock has risen yes, but no where near top 10. He's passed a couple guys but has also been passed by others (Stankoven, Knies, Moser, Zellweger). I'm not sure how Nemec's stock has fallen though, who's passed him? Maybe Cooley at most. Falling from 2nd to 3rd is hardly the "falling stock" you are making it out to be. And yes there is a difference in expectation between #2 and #31, but as I pointed out above, you are vastly over exaggerating how much the 2 players have risen and fallen.

It's not at all that Nemec isn't good enough, it's that New Jersey wants to win the cup and can't be developing 2-3 young guys on their blue line at the same time. There are very few teams in the NHL where Nemec wouldn't be playing a regular NHL role right now. On the other hand Montreal has been awful to start the year, Mailloux was given a tryout and was sent back down because he wasn't ready.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Who gives a shit fellas

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Again, you keep repeating the same thing over and over, but refuse to elaborate or back up your position.

Which of the facts in question do you disagree with? For a guy claiming someone else doesn’t understand anything, this should be easy.

Let’s hear it.


Go ask on the mains if anyone considers Kovacevic a top shutdown defenseman in the league or if they think he’ll sustain his play. Report back with the results.

What you or any other fan consider is irrelevant. Kovacevic has been the top shut down dmen on the team — on one of the top shut down pairings in the league to start the season. Inarguable. Will that change? Sure, possibly, who cares?

And they also have Dougie Hamilton and Brett Pesce. What are you not comprehending about this equation? I guess Nemec is a bust and we can throw out his enormously successful rookie season because he couldn’t get in the lineup to start the season. I guess that means he’s on the level of quite literally the worst defensive dmen in the league (Mailloux).

 

[dgibb10]

Cool. So what? Mailloux has still risen from 31st overall in his class, and Nemec has fallen from 2nd overall in his. That was the point.

Has he tho?

I'd say he's passed Boucher, Svechkov, Bourgault, Stillman, Lambos, Ceulemans, Olausson, Dean (8 guys)

And been passed by

Knies, Morrow, Zellweger, Evans, Doan, Stankoven, Moser, Blake (8 guys)

 

[Garbageyuk]

What you or any other fan consider is irrelevant.

Yet, here you are quoting me over and over, repeating the same things, and refusing to elaborate or back up your statements. The chance for you to play this card is long gone.

Kovacevic has been the top shut down dmen on the team — on one of the top shut down pairings in the league to start the season.

There you go. The other guy simply claimed he was a top shutdown D outright, as if his play will continue indefinitely.

I guess Nemec is a bust and we can throw out his enormously successful rookie season because he couldn’t get in the lineup to start the season.

Strawman argument. Where did I say this?

 

[My3Sons]

No interest whatsoever in Ryan Murray 2.0, and certainly not for the equivalent of 3 firsts. Ridiculous.

Nemec is a buttery soft “offensive” D who struggles to produce offense. No thanks.

Oooh sick burn dude. How about I don’t want any player off Montreal and I don’t want the draft picks because they anre infected with the taint of a shitty organization and the failure of everything about the organization. Ok. Now you say you hate the equivalent from NJ so we can all get on with life.

 

[Xirik]

The problem is you are trying to say these things are related. And avoiding a lot of context in doing so.

The Devil's missed the playoffs last year due primarily to ahitty goaltending and secondly to losing their #1 defenseman for 62 games last year, as well as man other games missed between Siegenthaler and Marino. The team had already moved on from 2 solid defenseman that summer too in Severson and Graves to make room for young guys like Bahl and Hughes and acclimate them into bigger roles. The injuries last resulted in those 2 players, along with Nemec (who they never intended to promote to the NHL originally) being forced into much bigger roles than they were ready for yet. It is already rare for a contending team to have a single top 4 defenseman under the US drinking age, let alone 2.

Nemec has played in 9/14 games this year. Luke Hughes and Brett Peace both started the season on IR but have recently returned to the lineup for the last 5 games. Casey was sent down already but the Devils are in the middle of a Western road trip so it makes no sense at all to send Nemec down until after they return home. It's not a big deal if he gets sent back down, Jiricek and Korchinski have already been assigned to the AHL too. It's better to play 20+ a night in the AHL than none in the NHL. But you can pretty much guarantee he's the first call up if an injury occurs on the Devils blue line.

It's a 14 game sample size where 2 of their regular top 4 guys were injured and replaced by kids. It's not logical to think a coach would play a couple 20 year olds more than a 27 year old. And it takes time for those previously injured players to get back up to speed. Highly unlikely Kovacevic remains in the top 4 over the course of the season. Small sample size ice time can also be effected by extended shifts from icings, and special teams time. Just like how Mark Kastelic isn't going to maintain a 30% scoring rate, these numbers will even put with a bigger sample size.

Mailloux's stock has risen yes, but no where near top 10. He's passed a couple guys but has also been passed by others (Stankoven, Knies, Moser, Zellweger). I'm not sure how Nemec's stock has fallen though, who's passed him? Maybe Cooley at most. Falling from 2nd to 3rd is hardly the "falling stock" you are making it out to be. And yes there is a difference in expectation between #2 and #31, but as I pointed out above, you are vastly over exaggerating how much the 2 players have risen and fallen.

It's not at all that Nemec isn't good enough, it's that New Jersey wants to win the cup and can't be developing 2-3 young guys on their blue line at the same time. There are very few teams in the NHL where Nemec wouldn't be playing a regular NHL role right now. On the other hand Montreal has been awful to start the year, Mailloux was given a tryout and was sent back down because he wasn't ready.

Dub thee honorary Devil fan with all the perks that come with it.

 

[Wayfarer13]

you wanna give mailloux to the team that lost mcleod and foote, come on now.

2.25 ppg in the A and has walked the line straight.

 

[My3Sons]

2.25 ppg in the A and has walked the line straight.

I’m sure he’s an excellent player. Hopefully he feels remorse for his past criminal activity but NJ doesn’t need to add a player with that sort of baggage.

 

[dirtydanglez]

2.25 ppg in the A and has walked the line straight.

it was never his skill that was an issue

 

[Wayfarer13]

it was never his skill that was an issue

Now he went to court for that. What was the sentence ruling?

 

[Garbageyuk]

Oooh sick burn dude. How about I don’t want any player off Montreal and I don’t want the draft picks because they anre infected with the taint of a shitty organization and the failure of everything about the organization. Ok. Now you say you hate the equivalent from NJ so we can all get on with life.

You ok? You really shouldn’t let internet comments upset you to this extent, especially when they aren’t even directed at you. My advice is to just ignore it next time something online upsets you. Cheers.