dgibb10
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Highlights older than the Golden Knights lmao
Highlights older than the Golden Knights lmao
They trade him at the next deadline and say thanks for coming outI'm curious about what happens if he has a few very good campaigns. Assume he has back-to-back 40 goal seasons with no injuries. Where does Montreal go from there?
You think a 28 y.o. UFA coming off back-to-back 40-goal, point a game seasons is going to sign a contract in the same range as those who were relatively unproven and were buying out RFA years? His contract would start with a 9 minimum. In a competitive market he's signing over 10 (assuming those goal/point totals), even on full term.Laine....currently is overpaid....and as Stuart Smalley would say....that's ok!
Habs are the perfect team to spend money for a couple of years to run this experiment. I'm looking for a minimum 30+30 point total to make the experiement worth it, based on our current team needs and process.
In the 30+30 world each season, I would then look to sign him to a contract that recognizes that. 2nd line money in the 5.5-7 mil range depending on term.
Ideally he does something like 40+40 back to back and plays himself into a contract similar to Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf. If he goes bananas and does something like 50+50, he could be a big ticket price in two years and we will have to make some tough choices. Conversely, if he can't reach 30+30 for whatever reason, then I question whether his career is on a downturn.
A few posters asked...what will it take to make him worth his cap hit. It is not as black and white as that. There is a range here.
If you have an "if"...it is a theoretical number. There's a qualifier. You either did something or you didn't.Pace is not a fake number, it's an indication of how many goals you can expect Laine to score in a given amount of games. At minimum, Laine will score at a rate of .365 goals per game regardless of the games he plays - and this is conservative because his career pace is .425 goals per game.
So, yes, he technically didn't score 30 goals - but if he plays 82 games you can expect him to hover around that number based on his goal scoring rate in 7 of his 8 seasons.
It's not my money. If the owner doesn't care, why should we? Salary gets wasted every year on a ton of players. The habs have the space to take this gamble.
Laine has an $8m contract... that has to be factored in
I'm guessing Laine would have been dumped for free with no retention kind of like the PLD trade
In two years....the cap hit percentage of 9 mil may be the same as the percentage of Suzuki when we signed him. My point here is that....8.7 to take this shot is worth it. Hell if he plays himself into a 10+ mil contract that is a pretty damn good problem to have.You think a 28 y.o. UFA coming off back-to-back 40-goal, point a game seasons is going to sign a contract in the same range as those who were relatively unproven and were buying out RFA years? His contract would start with a 9 minimum. In a competitive market he's signing over 10 (assuming those goal/point totals), even on full term.
Actually quite the opposite, he talked about it and so did Hughes when he talked to him. His head space is a lot better and he wants the spotlight. He doesn't have to be the focal point.Laine in Montreal is such a bad fit given his skillset and off ice situation.
He's going to get Drouin'd/Galchenyuk'd so hard there.
if he is healthy and maintains his pace from his last 2 seasons in CBJ (excludign last year with his non injury time away ) he is almost at a 37 g 40 assist pace. he stays healty i think 30 goals is a givenLaine....currently is overpaid....and as Stuart Smalley would say....that's ok!
Habs are the perfect team to spend money for a couple of years to run this experiment. I'm looking for a minimum 30+30 point total to make the experiement worth it, based on our current team needs and process.
In the 30+30 world each season, I would then look to sign him to a contract that recognizes that. 2nd line money in the 5.5-7 mil range depending on term.
Ideally he does something like 40+40 back to back and plays himself into a contract similar to Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf. If he goes bananas and does something like 50+50, he could be a big ticket price in two years and we will have to make some tough choices. Conversely, if he can't reach 30+30 for whatever reason, then I question whether his career is on a downturn.
A few posters asked...what will it take to make him worth his cap hit. It is not as black and white as that. There is a range here.
No one is saying it is not an imaginary number. It's an indication of rate of expected goals in a time frame.If you have an "if"...it is a theoretical number. There's a qualifier. You either did something or you didn't.
Pace is an imaginary number.
Risk: 17 million dollars of salary eatenIn two years....the cap hit percentage of 9 mil may be the same as the percentage of Suzuki when we signed him. My point here is that....8.7 to take this shot is worth it. Hell if he plays himself into a 10+ mil contract that is a pretty damn good problem to have.
Maybe my numbers are off....I'm just saying....this is a very high reward low risk deal for us. The only risk is we are out of the big game UFA hunt for two years. If he flames out...we are still entering our competetive window and we can pivot to some other UFA in 2 years.
They extend him and Hughes has proven that he's a genius at that given his payer agent experience.They trade him at the next deadline and say thanks for coming out
you know he could also sign with a team that'll have approx 20-23m in cap space that helped him get his career back on trackRisk: 17 million dollars of salary eaten
Reward: 2nd now, potential rental winger price next deadline, outside chance he helps you reach the playoffs in 25-26.
You know if Laine bounces back he's a UFA right? He can still just leave
I think once a guy has bounced around and had to deal with issues, if he finds a fit somewhere, he's more likely to extend rather than try and get the very most he can as a UFA.Risk: 17 million dollars of salary eaten
Reward: 2nd now, potential rental winger price next deadline, outside chance he helps you reach the playoffs in 25-26.
You know if Laine bounces back he's a UFA right? He can still just leave
Oh so what's important is that Laine is committed to the team culture, something he's never been throughout his NHL career. Got it.
He is the best GM Montreal has had since our last cup in '93.
Cope harder man. This is a great deal for the Habs. Any deal carries a risk reward factor. This one has very little risk and a whole lot of reward
Eventually someone will be paid more than Suzuki think Demidov when he finishes his ELCI'm curious about what happens if he has a few very good campaigns. Assume he has back-to-back 40 goal seasons with no injuries. Where does Montreal go from there? Demidov will be in the fold and you now have Slafkovsky, Caufield, Demidov and Laine as your top 4 wingers. Will they sign him long term to a contract that will exceed Suzuki's (it's going to inevitably happen)? How does the affect their long-term salary structure (when Demidov, Hutson, Reinbacher, etc. will need new deals)? Where does that leave Newhook, Roy, Mesar, and Hage?
I know not everyone will hit their ceilings and these are great problems to have. Just wondering how much it would shift the direction of the organization.
Who cares about money?There is a very significant risk.
If laine doesn't contribute to winning and then leaves as a UFA, you have burned 17 million dollars for a 2nd round pick. That is a very significant risk.
The upside is... Laine plays up to his contract? Even in your most optimistic scenarios you yourself are still suggesting he's worth about the same amount as his salary.
Even resigning Laine you're still paying about the same as you would without trading for him.
The upside, is that either MTLs window comes through next year pretty significantly ahead of schedule, or Laine decides to take a large discount out as a UFA out of the kindness of his heart.
I respect teams that are willing to eat massive amounts of money while not contending, but it's not some genius move.
Ahh I see, so money only matters if you're a good team?Who cares about money?
If Molson said « ok », then NO ONE CARES about actual money being burned in a billionaires pocket.
If you mean « cap space », we have 9 million still on it waiting to be used so again, who cares???
Forget about pace if it annoys you that much. I am not sure CBJ were crushingly disappointed when Laine scored 108 points in 111 games in 2021-22/2022-23 including 48 goals. Injuries are part of hockey and in those years he had covid, then an ankle and biceps injury. No knees, no back, no concussion recurrence. He was producing at a PPG.Pace is a fake number. You either get to 30 goals or you do not get to 30 goals. Any player can get injured or go cold.
The 2nd I see the word "pace" I immediately know it being used to prop somebody up that couldn't actually get to the number they are talking about. He paced for this amazing fake number(but never really reached it).
Pace...smdh