Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[WaitingForThatCab]

It's the manner of how he did it, not that he did it. Had he casually put it in the net, there wouldn't be a problem.

Very nice to know that guys should only get blasted with a cross-check to the face when they shoot the puck hard into the empty net. If they just casually tap it in, that's okay, you can keep your teeth.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Considering some agree that the appropriate retaliation for a slapshot in an empty net is a crosscheck to the head, can you tell me what the appropriate retaliation for a crosscheck to the head is?

Is a Sens player justified in going full Matt Cooke on Rielly the next time they play? Tell me why or why not.

They get to shoot a puck at players at the end of a period/game.

 

[Divine]

He didn't point out a cross check suspension, that was me. But sure our names both begin with K so thats cool I guess.

Okay, so the suspension you pointed out clearly show the principle point matters.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Morgan should have just beat his face with his fists, that way he wont get suspended.

Yeah a face to face bought of fisticuffs at least holds some semblance of honor. Notice how quickly Reilly was of the ice after the incident? Linesman didn't even need to pull him away or usher him off. You'd be suprised he was even involved at how quickly he darted for the showers.

Soft. Coward. Yellow bellied. Webster's Thesaurus will have to open a new page under "Morgan Reilly" after this fiasco.

f***ing embarrassing

 

[HTFN]

I don't know. Giroux seemed to throw his teammate under the bus when asked about it. It seems some players (including teammates of Greig) care more about the code than defending their teammates.

That in itself signals that the NHL players value the code. Whether or not fans agree with it.

Do I personally care? No.

I mean, that reads to me like oldheads and young guns seeing what matters slightly differently.

I didn't see the interview but I don't think they asked "did Greig deserve to be crosschecked right in the head like that?" or ask Giroux which was worse, they probably asked about what Greig did and he gave an opinion.

It's not about what you personally feel, it's more about you being in here trying to rationalize something that just isn't okay in any phase of play regardless of if it was "earned" (and it wasn't)

Any crosscheck are never part of the game. There's literally a rule written against it.

It's very much relevant, the NHL has different rules (in operation) for scrums in a dead neutral play vs the very clear and obvious attacking of someone who scored a goal and is in no position to defend himself while celebrating.

They aren't codified but we all know the difference there.

Same goes for cross checks. The league isn't against a little leverage through the core now and then.

They generally don't go "oh that's just a cross check" when it gets up into the head and neck anymore unless you're, like... Jamie Benn or something.

 

[Rare Jewel]

It's very much relevant, the NHL has different rules (in operation) for scrums in a dead neutral play vs the very clear and obvious attacking of someone who scored a goal and is in no position to defend himself while celebrating.

They aren't codified but we all know the difference there.

Well, good hopefully they'll consider what Greig did as well if they're that thorough.

 

[johnnystormcgy]

Yeah a face to face bought of fisticuffs at least holds some semblance of honor. Notice how quickly Reilly was of the ice after the incident? Linesman didn't even need to pull him away or usher him off. You'd be suprised he was even involved at how quickly he darted for the showers.

Soft. Coward. Yellow bellied. Webster's Thesaurus will have to open a new page under "Morgan Reilly" after this fiasco.

f***ing embarrassing

Betcha $20 Riley doesn't do it again...

 

[Divine]

I mean, that reads to me like oldheads and young guns seeing what matters slightly differently.

I didn't see the interview but I don't think they asked "did Greig deserve to be crosschecked right in the head like that?" or ask Giroux which was worse, they probably asked about what Greig did and he gave an opinion.

It's not about what you personally feel, it's more about you being in here trying to rationalize something that just isn't okay in any phase of play regardless of if it was "earned" (and it wasn't)

They asked him what he thought about Greig's play and he said something along the lines of "I thought the emotions got the best of him" in response to Greig, suggesting he shouldn't have done that.

They asked if the thought it was okay (what Greig did) and he replied no comment.

Rielly obviously felt compelled to do something. No one has to justify it - it happened. The Leafs coach (who also played in the NHL) felt the reaction was warranted.

 

[Korpse]

The NHL literally pointed out the main/primary (whatever you want to call it) point of contact in the crosscheck suspension you pointed earlier. They highlighted that the stick rode up and therefore gave a lighter sentence than he would otherwise receive if he directly crosschecked him in the head.

How is that not proof that the main impact does matter?

"While we have heard the argument made by the club that this is not a direct blow to the head, we disagree. While we acknowledge that Zub raises his arm in an attempt to ward off the oncoming blow, Perron is coming up and off the ice and aiming his stick at an unacceptable level. At most the stick makes glancing contact with Zub's shoulder pad and the angle and height is not affected in any material way. The brunt of the impact of this blow is clearly absorbed by Zub's head due directly to the actions and choices made by Perron."

Yes Detroit argued that it matter that contact was made with the shoulder first. I'm sure Toronto will try too but it's not a saving grace that a player raises his arm at the last moment to protect himself. Where was it said that because contact was made with the shoulder, it was a lighter sentence? What I heard was that they disagreed with that argument.

 

[pb1300]

I'm speaking generally, there's sort of an unwritten conduct of things you shouldn't do. It was excessive, but Grieg shouldn't be surprised they went after him.

The playing being dead is irrelevant as well. How many scrums that lead to fights happened after a whistle?

So there is an unwritten rule to never slap shot an empty net, in a 1 goal game, against a rival in your home arena....yet there isnt one for crosschecking a defenseless player in the head? Maybe because its a DIRTY F'NG PLAY.

44 pages, and Leafs fans are still the ONLY people defending this. Hmmm, I wonder why.

 

[HTFN]

Well, good hopefully they'll consider what Greig did as well if they're that thorough.

"what Greig did" is a fat lot of nothing and any hockey player that soft should pack it up

They asked him what he thought about Greig's play and he said something along the lines of "I thought the emotions got the best of him" in response to Greig, suggesting he shouldn't have done that.

They asked if the thought it was okay (what Greig did) and he replied no comment.

Reilly obviously felt compelled to do something. No one has to justify it - it happened. The Leafs coach (who also played in the NHL) felt the reaction was warranted.

Did they ask what Giroux thought of Reilly's response? That's the point here. It doesn't matter if it's in "poor taste", it's not the type of thing that should get you cracked in the face and there's no reason to normalize losing teams getting to be petulant about scored goals because they didn't like the flavor of the abuse they suffered.

There are going to be actual blowouts, players need to learn to contain themselves when they're frustrated just because someone didn't do something to their liking.

 

[strattonius]

I don't condone what Reilly did and I hope Greig is okay but I'll be perfectly honest I don't view Reilly negativity or as a dirty player after that play. It's not a good look but neither is taking a 95mph slapshot in an empty net.

 

[Karma Police]

Dale Hunter was suspended 21 games crosschecking Pierre Turgeon right after a goal. That pretty much looks the same

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

They asked him what he thought about Greig's play and he said something along the lines of "I thought the emotions got the best of him" in response to Greig, suggesting he shouldn't have done that.

They asked if the thought it was okay (what Greig did) and he replied no comment.

Rielly obviously felt compelled to do something. No one has to justify it - it happened. The Leafs coach (who also played in the NHL) felt the reaction was warranted.

If you actually listened to his answer, he was responding to a question about what Greig did and Rielly's response with "sometimes the emotions will get to you". He could very well be talking about Rielly. Let's not get it twisted again.

He also never said no comment. He said sometimes that stuff happens (the whole situation) and that there's no much else to say.

 

[Kegu]

Okay, so the suspension you pointed out clearly show the principle point matters.

Go back and look at the hit, especially from the alternate angle shown on page 34. Greigs arm was out at almost 90° and he went right over it. The Hoffman hit was not the same, I was just illustrating a point and giving an example of a hit that starts low and rides up. This Rielly hit is not that.

 

[Divine]

"While we have heard the argument made by the club that this is not a direct blow to the head, we disagree. While we acknowledge that Zub raises his arm in an attempt to ward off the oncoming blow, Perron is coming up and off the ice and aiming his stick at an unacceptable level. At most the stick makes glancing contact with Zub's shoulder pad and the angle and height is not affected in any material way. The brunt of the impact of this blow is clearly absorbed by Zub's head due directly to the actions and choices made by Perron."

Yes Detroit argued that it matter that contact was made with the shoulder first. I'm sure Toronto will try too.

Yeah, so Detroit argued it and failed.

Obviously the fact the league takes the argument of the main point of contact and then makes a judgement on it seems to imply it is a factor.

I wasn't talking about Perron though.

Here's another argument where a player successfully argued his intent was different than what occurred, which the league accepted, resulting in a lower suspension.



I'm simply arguing that whether it hits the head first, if accepted, does play a role.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

What a joke the league is becoming. Land of the sissies. Have to answer for routine legal checks. Vast majority of players won't fight. Cheap shotting is easier and only results in a petty fine or weak suspension. And tonight a guy gets cross checked in the neck/head for scoring an empty netter the "wrong" way. Get rid of the damn instigator and make these boys act like men.​

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yeah a face to face bought of fisticuffs at least holds some semblance of honor. Notice how quickly Reilly was of the ice after the incident? Linesman didn't even need to pull him away or usher him off. You'd be suprised he was even involved at how quickly he darted for the showers.

Soft. Coward. Yellow bellied. Webster's Thesaurus will have to open a new page under "Morgan Reilly" after this fiasco.

f***ing embarrassing

Embarrassing for you.

 

[Xspyrit]

lol at people endorsing what Reilly did, poster boys for the modern idiocracy!

You've never played a game of hockey and it shows

True, I have played a thousand games and quite a few tools also play the game

Yes, drop the gloves there and go after him. Id be more than content with that.

Reilly revealed how much of a coward he is… Greig would have wrecked him but doubt he would have fought in a win with 5 secs left

 

[SimpleJack]

Sore loser. Bad look. Lost a lot of respect for him.

 

[Divine]

If you actually listened to his answer, he was responding to a question about what Greig did and Rielly's response with "sometimes the emotions will get to you". He could very well be talking about Rielly. Let's not get it twisted again.

What are you talking about? He even referenced that the crowd might have pumped him up. He's clearly talking about Greig, the game was in Ottawa.

 

[Leaf Fans]

True, I have played a thousand games and quite a few tools also play the game



Reilly revealed how much of a coward he is… Greig would have wrecked him but doubt he would have fought in a win with 5 secs left

Greig would have lay on the ground until one of his teammates cane and got him.

 

[pcruz]

Cross-Check to shoulder


It's clearly a cross-check to the shoulder which rides up to the head after the Sens player moves his hands up.

It will be a suspension, but to compare this to Turgeon and Hunter is asinine.

 

[WatchfulElm]

This reminds me of Hextall vs Chelios and Hunter vs Turgeon.

Absolutely gutless, useless and dangerous attempt to injure out of frustration from losing a game.

I wished he had 10+ games.

That Greig did his slapshot before should have absolutely no weight in the decision. Greig didn't hurt anybody apart from the Leafs feelings.

 

[HTFN]

I don't condone what Reilly did and I hope Greig is okay but I'll be perfectly honest I don't view Reilly negativity or as a dirty player after that play. It's not a good look but neither is taking a 95mph slapshot in an empty net.

as with any sports league I watch, I'd much rather see a little extra in the "haha f*** you we won" category than the "haha f*** you for winning" category.

NBA players dunk harder than they need to sometimes up 20. MLB players pimp HRs more and more now because people enjoy it more than they enjoy seeing pitchers pout and plunk people. NFL... well, goes flip floppy on their celebration rules all the time but they made it pretty damn clear that the defense has even less of a right to fight back than the offense does to gloat.

Stuffing one home like that is no doubt cheeky. Very cheeky, but it's more in the realm of "play him super tough next game" than "let's go right for the head"