Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost new contract 2 x $2.1m

[FLYguy3911]

Frost is the kind of player that if he gets drafted by Tampa, he's posting near PPG seasons, playing for Team Canada, and we are wondering why the Flyers can't get a player like that.

 

[deadhead]

Frost is the kind of player that if he gets drafted by Tampa, he's posting near PPG seasons, playing for Team Canada, and we are wondering why the Flyers can't get a player like that.

No he's not. He's their 3C. He's not beating out Point or Guorde/now Cirelli.
And when he was drafted, they were so deep he'd probably have spent a full season in the AHL at 22.

He's not an uber talent that could have forced his way into the lineup of a SC contender.
Here he's getting the PT and opportunities he wouldn't receive on a top team.
Really good players, given his opportunity, would have established themselves as a top six player by now.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Choose your fighter:

Player A was worse statistically in literally every relevant stat category but would clearly play ahead of Player B.

Don't let the 11 and 8 short handed points fool you. Player B does not play on the PK in the NHL but Player A is a PK staple for his team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

AAAAGGGHHHH

 

[freakydallas13]

Choose your fighter:

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Player A was worse statistically in literally every relevant stat category but would clearly play ahead of Player B.

Don't let the 11 and 8 short handed points fool you. Player B does not play on the PK in the NHL but Player A is a PK staple for his team.

I choose to drink the Hemlock.

 

[deadhead]

Frost is 25 in his 3rd season as a starter, what he did at 19 is irrelevant.
He's played with the best forwards on the team, it's up to him to seize the opportunity.
He played with Tippett and TK earlier in the season and was meh.
More power to him if he takes advantage of a second chance.

 

[FLYguy3911]

It’s almost like the environment a player comes up in has a big impact on their development. There’s a reason certain teams get high end performances consistently and certain teams see prospects underperform.

 

[deadhead]

Are you sure? FLA gave up on Marchessault and TB on Verhaeghe.

Meanwhile no Flyers has gone on to success after failing here, Sharp, J Williams and Seidenberg two decades ago were the last ones. Ghost was injured but his best season was here, 2017-18.

If Frost can't make it work with Tippett and TK, he's not going to get better wings on other teams.

 

[VladDrag]

If Frost can't make it work with Tippett and TK, he's not going to get better wings on other teams.

we have talked about this for three years. We have 500+ minutes with Frost and TK. He has made it work with TK. He continues to make it work with TK.

The only people who seem to not see it are you and Torts

 

[Beef Invictus]

Are you sure? FLA gave up on Marchessault and TB on Verhaeghe.

Meanwhile no Flyers has gone on to success after failing here, Sharp, J Williams and Seidenberg two decades ago were the last ones. Ghost was injured but his best season was here, 2017-18.

If Frost can't make it work with Tippett and TK, he's not going to get better wings on other teams.

Yes he is sure. Development and environment matters heavily for non-star players and prospects. The Flyers have trash on both fronts, and that's why damned near everyone underperform or regress.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

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How good is this kid?

 

[FLYguy3911]

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How good is this kid?

Probably the closest to Makar we’ll see.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Are you sure? FLA gave up on Marchessault and TB on Verhaeghe.

Meanwhile no Flyers has gone on to success after failing here, Sharp, J Williams and Seidenberg two decades ago were the last ones. Ghost was injured but his best season was here, 2017-18.

If Frost can't make it work with Tippett and TK, he's not going to get better wings on other teams.

Ghost had 56 points last season.

The last non-Ghost Flyers defenseman to put up at least 56 points was Garry Galley in 93-94.

But, I wouldn't consider Ghost a failure in Philly, anyway...

 

[Flyer lurker]

Ghost had 56 points last season.

The last non-Ghost Flyers defenseman to put up at least 56 points was Garry Galley in 93-94.

But, I wouldn't consider Ghost a failure in Philly, anyway...

I thought for sure Robert Hagg, Derek Grant and Mutley would succeed.

If they traded Farabee, that would be a very interesting case.

 

[deadhead]

we have talked about this for three years. We have 500+ minutes with Frost and TK. He has made it work with TK. He continues to make it work with TK.

The only people who seem to not see it are you and Torts

Everybody makes it work with TK.
Actually some weird number last year and a half
Frost - TK 398 minutes: xGF 55.40%, HDCF 56.68%,GF/xGF/60: 4.12/2.77
Frost w/o TK 987 minutes: xGF 52.95%, HDCF 50.97%, GF/xGF/60: 1.92/2.52
TK w/o Frost 1378 minutes: xGF 51.49%, HDCF 51.28%, GF/xGF/60: 2.50/2.76
neither: 3400 minutes: xGF 51.76%, HDCF 53.42%, GF/xGF/60: 2.43/2.45

Frost - Tippett 692 minutes: xGF 54.99%, HDCF 52.81%,GF/xGF/60: 3.76/2.87
Frost w/o Tippett 693 minutes: xGF 52.14%, HDCF 52.89%, GF/xGF/60: 1.36/2.32
Tippett w/o Frost 924 minutes: xGF 49.89%, HDCF 49.29%, GF/xGF/60: 2.18/2.55
neither: 3855 minutes: xGF 52.12%, HDCF 52.86%, GF/xGF/60: 2.51/2.53

Frost struggles to score without TK and/or Tippett on the ice.
Confirms the eyeball test, he's really not a good playmaker - best when moving his feet and attacking in transition with fast linemates, pushing play before the defense can set up.
Which makes him a bad match for Michkov, who is best at O-zone setups.

 

[Magua]

Confirms the eyeball test, he's really not a good playmaker

 

[deadhead]

If he's so good, how come the PP is so bad with him on it?
A good playmaker should be able to drive this PP to respectability, no?

 

[zizbuka]

Frost is 25 in his 3rd season as a starter, what he did at 19 is irrelevant.
He's played with the best forwards on the team, it's up to him to seize the opportunity.
He played with Tippett and TK earlier in the season and was meh.
More power to him if he takes advantage of a second chance.

There must be an absolute war going on in your 'dead' head. You praise everything the team does, then you belittle certain players. They're part of the team you know.

 

[deadhead]

There must be an absolute war going on in your 'dead' head. You praise everything the team does, then you belittle certain players. They're part of the team you know.

I don't "belittle" Frost, I've praised him when praise was due.
But some here have an exaggerated opinion of his talent.
He's as much a product of his linemates as a center who drives his line.

 

[VladDrag]

If he's so good, how come the PP is so bad with him on it?
A good playmaker should be able to drive this PP to respectability, no?

Because they put him in the net front position. How in the f*** is he supposed to pass when he’s netfront?

 

[deadhead]

Because they put him in the net front position. How in the f*** is he supposed to pass when he’s netfront?

I don't think they put him net front so much as all three on that line should be crashing the net when they don't have the puck.
Frost is as good or better shooter as he is a passer. Doesn't shoot enough.
Tippett needs to go net front more often, they pointed out to TK that he'd score more if he went to the net, and sure enough, his scoring increased.

What makes a Tippett - Frost - TK line interesting is the combination of speed and all three are good passers in terms of passing accuracy, TK has the best vision, Tippett the worst, and all three can shoot.

Given that skill set, all three should be moving and putting pressure on the defense instead of standing on the perimeter waiting for a pass or to make a pass. Skate with the puck, skate to an open area, skate to the net or skate to the blue line to cover a D-man attacking the O-zone.

 

[Flyer lurker]

we have talked about this for three years. We have 500+ minutes with Frost and TK. He has made it work with TK. He continues to make it work with TK.

The only people who seem to not see it are you and Torts

All I want and I would think all the people on here want is to Leave Frost with TK for the next six weeks and see what happens. Playing Poehling with TK did not accomplish anything and no shot of accomplishing anything. Now come March 1st if the flyers don't want to sign Frost to a mulit year contract and trade then so be it. I have doubts they resign both Frost and Cates to be honest. But lets play it out. No more torts messages. Just ride the wave.

 

[FLYguy3911]

When the PP is bad no matter who is on it, that again goes back to the environment players are brought into.

 

[Flyer lurker]

When the PP is bad no matter who is on it, that again goes back to the environment players are brought into.

Last I checked with TK the pp put up a monster 12% last year.

 

[Magua]

When the PP is bad no matter who is on it, that again goes back to the environment players are brought into.

The PP environment is a problem for everyone except Sanheim and Frost, the two best PP guys on the team as junior players. Their skills just don’t translate to the PP. Weird how that works. Now, let me tell you about Tippett and Drysdale being held back by the environment…..