Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[Mickey Marner]

The sooner HF learns offer sheets aren't a player acquisition tool the better. They exist so a GM can't strong arm an RFA into pennies on the dollar, while simultaneously deflating the RFA salary relative to UFA salary via draft pick compensation. They're a paper tiger that exist to meditate the RFA negotiation process.

 

[Patagonia]

Your math ain't better dude.

If Habs offer 11x7 and player signs it....it's going to count as 11m on Habs cap hit. One way or the other, there is no need to calculate it over 5 years because it's above the highest degree of compensation, which is 4 1st picks.

Besides, if Leafs sign AM, MM and Kapanen they will have less than 6M to sign 9 other players, but Habs with 5.5M wouldn't be able to sign 3 players.

Also...29M invested into CP, SW and MM would cripple Habs...but 41M in AM, MM, JT and WN won't cripple the Leafs. L-O-L !

So what is wrong with my calculations? Unless you have some voodoo math, you’re assuming the Habs Offer the max and my numbers are still right.

Just accept the Habs suck and no Leaf RFA is going to sign with them. AM and MM are going nowhere and will extend with the Leafs.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

So what is wrong with my calculations? Unless you have some voodoo math, you’re assuming the Habs Offer the max and my numbers are still right.

Just accept the Habs suck and no Leaf RFA is going to sign with them. AM and MM are going nowhere and will extend with the Leafs.

Cap hit of $15.4 resulting from a 7 x $11M offer ?

And the poster who quoted you bolded the error...

You probably meant something else (value of offer to calculate compensation).

If so, it's not your calculation that was wrong, but your writing...

 

[Cobra Commander]

I’m ready to give Marner 14 mil x 7

Does Toronto match or take the 4 first round picks?

Drouin-Domi-Marner

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I’m ready to give Marner 14 mil x 7

Does Toronto match or take the 4 first round picks?

Too much.

$10-11 might have them pondering.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Too much.

$10-11 might have them pondering.

No I’m offering 14 x 7 , he will sign that for sure, and the deal will look better and better for us as we move into it.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No I’m offering 14 x 7 , he will sign that for sure, and the deal will look better and better for us as we move into it.

You have not thought about our future RFAs, have you ?

Look beyond the tip of your nose.

 

[Drew311]

Too much.

$10-11 might have them pondering.

Leafs match in less than a second.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Leafs match in less than a second.

So they do.

Fine.

But that's probably $1.5-2M more than their budget projections...

 

[Drew311]

So they do.

Fine.

But that's probably $1.5-2M more than their budget projections...

So they trade someone to make it work...

 

[webdev]

So habs fans think Marner will leave his hometown, the team he grew up cheering for, and his friends and family to join one of its rivals? Good luck with that, dreams can come true....

Matthews as well, good luck as well.

I think some of you forget that you need to have the player sign the offersheet for it to be valid.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

So habs fans think Marner will leave his hometown, the team he grew up cheering for, and his friends and family to join one of its rivals? Good luck with that, dreams can come true....

Matthews as well, good luck as well.

I think some of you forget that you need to have the player sign the offersheet for it to be valid.

They are professionals who will try to maximise their earning after their ELCs expire, over the next 5-10-15-20 years.

 

[4thline]

The sooner HF learns offer sheets aren't a player acquisition tool the better. They exist so a GM can't strong arm an RFA into pennies on the dollar, while simultaneously deflating the RFA salary relative to UFA salary via draft pick compensation. They're a paper tiger that exist to meditate the RFA negotiation process.

You've been reading my posts!

 

[Dominator13]

why in the hell would Montreal give a tons of first round picks for Marner ? you would give 4 years of high picks for Marner ?
The cost to sign a RFA is simply stupid and no GM wants to touch that.

$9,131,645 or greater

Four first-round picks

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ITS INSANE, you do understand that MTL top draft picks are going to be in the top 10 for 2 +years, right ?


you would give Toronto a dynasty for Marner, really ?

Huh...

1) With Marner added to this current core that's seriously on the rise, we wouldn't be giving 4 too 10 picks. I don't think we'd be giving one tbh.

2) Marner is a generational talent at RW that you simply don't pass on. Especially since if it were to happen, it's automatically on a 7 year deal.

3) Habs have a had draft picks galore in the last 2 drafts. Remember we have Poehling, Suzuki, Ylonen, Ikonen, Olofsson, etc who are all expectef to play in the NHL expected some point. Our prospect pool has the depth to cover the losses of those 1st round picks.

 

[The Podium]

Huh...

1) With Marner added to this current core that's seriously on the rise, we wouldn't be giving 4 too 10 picks. I don't think we'd be giving one tbh.

2) Marner is a generational talent at RW that you simply don't pass on. Especially since if it were to happen, it's automatically on a 7 year deal.

3) Habs have a had draft picks galore in the last 2 drafts. Remember we have Poehling, Suzuki, Ylonen, Ikonen, Olofsson, etc who are all expectef to play in the NHL expected some point. Our prospect pool has the depth to cover the losses of those 1st round picks.

I dont think Montreal is a Marner away from contention. Even if they did this, theyd be a bubble team, risking the Leafs getting a few lottery picks out of it (with the new lottery system).

Also Marner is a bad target, hometown boy, biggest Leaf fan on the team, hed be the least likely to sign an OS.

 

[Liferleafer]

The compensation values stated in the CBA have been checked yearly (as per the CBA). The compensations for Offer Sheets in 2018 are:

$1,339,575 or less	No compensation
$1,339,576 to $2,029,659	Third-round pick
$2,029,660 to $4,059,322	Second-round pick
$4,059,323 to $6,088,980	First and third-round picks
$6,088,981 to $8,118,641	First, second and third-round picks
$8,118,642 to $10,148,302	Two firsts, a second and third-round picks
Over $10,148,302	Four first-round picks

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Under $8.1M you can get away with 1st, 2nd and 3rd, if you don't go above 5 years. A 5 years SPC would take the boys right into UFA.

Under 8.1? Ya....pretty sure the Leafs might match that one...

 

[Mickey Marner]

I'm not saying they would, I was springboarding from the $8M+ in the post I quoted, and mainly correcting the Offer Sheet compensation info the poster had.

But if either one would really badly want to go UFA at the age of 25-26, that would be a way to do it. TOR would obviously match if they signed that one. But the offering team could offer 5 x $10.1M and even then the compensation wouldn't be four 1sts.

I'm sure they would prefer guaranteed salary, largely in lump sum bonus, on a competitive team. As would their agents. There is no scenario in the which the Leafs are financially strong-armed.

 

[Paladin2799]

The sooner HF learns offer sheets aren't a player acquisition tool the better. They exist so a GM can't strong arm an RFA into pennies on the dollar, while simultaneously deflating the RFA salary relative to UFA salary via draft pick compensation. They're a paper tiger that exist to meditate the RFA negotiation process.

So many people dismiss this line of reasoning and its dead on.

Its not meant to be something that people poach with, its there to be used as the player if the team you're on is being abusive/lowballing/awful culture etc.

Think about it this way, if a gay hockey player was in a place that had a locker room that was deeply homophobic and he didn't want to sign, the offer sheet is there as a way to let him leave the organization without that organization getting absolutely nothing for a young player.

This example was purely 100% speculative.

 

[The Mentalist]

Toronto counters with offer sheeting Kotkaniemi to max contract.

 

[NoName]

They could offer-sheet one of the two, sure. It would take four 1st rounders though, so they could only offer-sheet one of the two. Matthews is the face of the team, a 1st overall pick and has absolutely bonkers stats so I imagine Toronto matches even a crazy offer, however if a team is willing to severly overpay then they could potentially pry away Marner.

To those saying neither of these guys would ever sign with Montreal: Money talks. Look what the Leafs went through with Nylander fighting down to the wire over a measly $300k. If someone were to offer Marner $3million+ more than Toronto, I would be very surprised if he dismissed it out of hand, even if he really enjoys being on the Leafs, I imagine at the very least he would thoroughly consider it. If someone offered you a job comparable to your current one but with higher pay, wouldn't you consider it even if you really like your current position?

 

[NoName]

Under 8.1? Ya....pretty sure the Leafs might match that one...

As a Leafs fan I would be thrilled to have Marner for $8.1 million. Given the season he is having and his track record so far in his career, him taking that would be a hometown discount.

For either Marner or Matthews you are going to have to fork out four first, otherwise Toronto definitely matches. Indeed, if Toronto managed to get these guys for combined less than $20 million anyway, I would be very happy.

 

[justafan22]

You've been reading my posts!

Philly only gave Weber an offer sheet due to thinking Nashville wouldn't match how they set it up. It's more about hurting the other team than benefiting your own

 

[BM14]

They are professionals who will try to maximise their earning after their ELCs expire, over the next 5-10-15-20 years.

They're competing professionals.

One of which grew up dreaming to play for his hometown team and the other has embraced the city as his own.

You have more chance of hiring an English only speaking GM.

 

[powerstuck]

So habs fans think Marner will leave his hometown, the team he grew up cheering for, and his friends and family to join one of its rivals? Good luck with that, dreams can come true....

Matthews as well, good luck as well.

I think some of you forget that you need to have the player sign the offersheet for it to be valid.

See...you guys use this argument freely. But when someone suggest that Matthews, who was born, raised and cheered for Coyotes as a kid...no way he would accept an Arizona Coyotes offer sheet. I mean, if the argument is good for one, it must be good for the other too no ?

 

[Dominator13]

Toronto counters with offer sheeting Kotkaniemi to max contract.

Oh really? Lol