Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

euhchepas

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why is this thread still alive.
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It's not going to happen don't worry Leafs fans nobody is going to sign them. They'll be leafs next year, you will have cap problems but marner and matthews will stay leafs.

Habs are building a young team that will need big contract in 2-3 years (domi 2 years probably 6-7M, kotkaniemi 3 years depends on where he is at that point but I coud see 6-7M, gallagher 3 years probably close to 6M). Yes we have a lot of cap space but we will need it soon.

I prefer being patient with our kids and having a lot of cap space to keep them than spend that cap to push for contention sooner and be in trouble in a couple of years.
 

Dekes For Days

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Or are willing to leave.

World of difference between that and "wanting".
Not really. At that point, they've locked in to the decision to hurt their original team.

If they are wanting to stay with the team, they could use it in negotiations, but there is no sense in actually signing the offer sheet.
 

kayakjack

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Offer sheets will go to Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnson, Dermott, Moore, Pat Boutette, Frank Nigro, David Shand and Rich Costello because, apparently according to the non-Leaf fans on here, the other teams don't have to fear pissing off the wealthiest team in the NHL and making themselves an offer sheet target for the Leafs until the cows come home.
 

Michel Beauchamp

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Offer sheets will go to Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnson, Dermott, Moore, Pat Boutette, Frank Nigro, David Shand and Rich Costello because, apparently according to the non-Leaf fans on here, the other teams don't have to fear pissing off the wealthiest team in the NHL and making themselves an offer sheet target for the Leafs until the cows come home.
Wow.

They must be shaking in their boots. :eek2:

They'll match the offefsheets made by the Leafs with the money the Leafs will be forking to them... :vhappy:
 

LeafFever

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Wioth that ridiculous Price contract, would they have the $ to sign someone for 14-15 million per?
 

TOGuy14

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Of all the offersheet destinations Montreal would be least likely for these two.

If the Habs offered 13M compared to the Leafs 12M for Matthews, taxes alone would probably level them out.

Habs would probably have to offer a max deal to steal one of these guys.
 

LeafFever

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What?

Come on lol Montreal is a HUGE market with fantastic fans, a great atmosphere, and a historic market.

We don't have to like the Habs, but what a place to play your hockey career.

Let's be honest, going to Montreal right now be be like going to Toronto almost anytime prior to SHanahan arriving. They have no direction and no clear vision to compete for a cup.
That's why Tavares would not even meet with them despite knowing how much $ he could make there. He wanted to win and thought he could not.
 

Michel Beauchamp

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I laugh at all this offer sheet talk. It rarely happens and mostly because teams know it will be open season on their own players afterwards.
Urban legend.

The only instance it happened was a joke of an offer sheet, where St. Louis offered 1 year and 2.5M to Steve Bernier after Vancouver offered 3 years at $2.5M per year to David Backes in July 2008.
 

Mackiaveli

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That's why Tavares would not even meet with them despite knowing how much $ he could make there. He wanted to win and thought he could not.

You're not wrong; but prior to this season the Habs finished fourth last, and had a dismal offense to match their terrible defense, their sub-par special teams and their lackluster goaltending. On top of that, our prospect pool was barren and the team was just looking like a whole mess with Weber injured.

THEN there were rumors we were trading our captain and only pure goal scorer, and that doesn't even include the fact that we have been rumored to have been moving Galchenyuk for years (our other big goal scorer) --- of course John Tavares wouldn't want to sign here.

Then the Habs actually traded Patches and Galchenyuk --- for Tatar and Domi no less; we drafted Kotkaniemi over Tkachuk and Zadina and suddenly everything was looking bleak; Tanking for Hughes was the new future of Montreal.

But then, Domi decided to play out of his mind, Tatar is having a career year, Kotkaniemi showed not only was he NHL ready but god damn the kid has eyes in the sides of his head. We have some of the most lethal offensive efforts of any team in the League, we pepper teams with shots, we limit opposing opportunities acceptably well, and despite having one of the coldest powerplays we still have had a relatively hot offensive group.

Oh yeah, and Price figured out how to play hockey again --- Weber came back from injury and looks like a #1 still. The Habs of December 28th, 2018 are a world away from the Habs in August of the same year; we have hope and are very likely playoff bound despite having a true #1C, despite a very obviously weak defensive group, despite getting subpar goaltending through the first ~20 games and despite not having an elite otherworldly offensive talent. We have a ton of cap room, two movable contracts (Shaw/Alzner), a decent pool of prospects (Suzuki, Poehling, Brook, Ikonen) and all of our draft picks.

Sure, there are better teams that are closer to a cup; but players in the show know that Price and Weber are franchise talents; regardless of what people on these boards say --- no player in the NHL would say "Price is overpaid, his contract sucks" or "Weber's contract is a boat anchor" --- they would see the opportunity to play with two of the best players of the last decade. What happens if the Habs and Leafs meet in the first round, Price plays otherworldly and they steal even 3 games (imagine, worse, they beat them) --- then it becomes we're just one piece away from getting over that hump.

Point is, the Habs are not that far off from competing; if Benn/Seguin become available, if Simmonds makes it to UFA, if Muzzin is available at a real cost, hell if Erik Karlsson would even take a meeting with Montreal; the possibilities are there for this team to take off as soon as next year.
 

LeafFever

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I don't get why Leaf fans are being so defensive and dismissive of this. It seems like common sense offer sheets will happen this summer, and Matthews is leading candidate in the NHL for next summer.

If Leafs are offering Matthews 12M - and especially if this comes on the heels of another playoff exit with more rumors of some sort of Babcock/Matthews heat - why in the world would Matthews not seriously consider accepting an offer sheet for 14M-15M in a different city, with less pressure, maybe better climate, etc.

Winning isn't everything to everyone. Especially this early in their career.

I'm not saying it's going to happen - i fully expect him to sign before July 1st (90-95% likelihood i'd guess). But if he makes it to July 1st I think Leaf fans should be very worried.
No offer sheets in 6 years by the summer= common sense multiple offer sheets will happen this summer?
 

bobholly39

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No offer sheets in 6 years by the summer= common sense multiple offer sheets will happen this summer?

This years potential rfa crop is better than any rfa i can remember. Matthews Marner Ranta etc etc.

I should have said "if players are available". I dont think Matthews reaches july 1st (nor many others). But if he does do you honestly not expect him to get offer sheeted? He absolutely would.
 

thepuckguru

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Of all the offersheet destinations Montreal would be least likely for these two.

If the Habs offered 13M compared to the Leafs 12M for Matthews, taxes alone would probably level them out.

Habs would probably have to offer a max deal to steal one of these guys.
According to cap friendly tax calculator
Take home for 13mil in Montreal would be 6,094,053
Take home for 13mil in TO would be 6,078,229
 

thepuckguru

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That's surprising.

But even if it's the other way around, you have to consider the cost of living which is much higher in Toronto.
What's more than surprising and really sucks as far as parity is considered is the take home from 13mil in Florida, Vegas, Texas and nashville is $8,224,310.00. That's 2.2 million more per year. Salary cap is not so friendly.
 

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