Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[TDK67]

trust me not wishful thinking as a Bruins fan to have Marner or Mathews in Montreal.
Why wouldn't either of them sign a contract if it was for more term and money in Montreal? Does Toronto hold some mythical power that players wouldn't want to leave.

Toronto is the only team that can offer max term (8 yrs) to their RFAs.

Also, re: Matthews--you can safely bet all the money in the world that Matthews isn't going to make it to July 1st unsigned. Its well known (via all of the trusted "insiders") that Matthews and his agent are open to negotiating during the season. Furthermore its been speculated by the same sources that Matthews' camp and the Leafs are close to a deal already and once the Nylander thing is/was over a Matthews deal will be finished soon after.

The Marner thing is a little more complicated but I don't think Dubas will let him get to July 1st either. Much less noise on a contract there from the "insiders" though, so we'll see.

 

[BlueBaron]

NHL players tend to try and go where the money is. Before you quote John Tavares, he is an anomaly that took less money to go home. The reality is that few players do that.

Hypothetically, Habs offer 7 X 14 for Mathews I think the Leafs have to match. They then come back with 7 X 11.5 for Marner and I still think Leafs match but your belief that this will never happen is short sighted in my opinion.

Sadly you have stated a falsehood. This should be obvious if you look at the history of offers sheets.

If what you say is true the n players would sign offer sheets all the time. So your " expert opinion" is something that almost never happens, with only a couple examples in the entire history of the game is a likely problem for us. McDavid didn't get offer sheeted but for some reason our guys will.

You don't see how this seems improbable?

This also assumes we don't sign them by July 1.

 

[smack66]

Its hilarious how salty non-leaf fans are. Sooooo damn salty and jealous. We've built a great team through great drafting...why so angry bro's? First there was no way in hell the leafs were going to get babcock. Then no way in hell we were going to sign Johnny T. Now its there's no way we can keep all 3 young studs. Well Nylander is done and I have 0% concern about the other 2 getting done. None of them would sign an offer sheet even if it was offered. They know this team is going to be great for many years to come and want to be here. They will get paid very handsomely and will be here for a very long time. In the meantime, keep posting your salty comments and I'll keep sitting here laughing my ass off.

How about you win something before claiming fans of other teams are salty. You did in fact have some great drafting but lets be honest, those great drafts were a direct result of being bad and having early picks. Its good to know that you can say the there is no way Mathews would sign a 7 x14 if it was offered to him or Marner a 7 x 11

 

[topshelf15]

Both these guys will remain Leafs,the costs involved in submitting one that could pry either of them away..Is just too large..

 

[sheed36]

Sadly you have stated a falsehood. This should be obvious if you look at the history of offers sheets.

If what you say is true the n players would sign offer sheets all the time. So your " expert opinion" is something that almost never happens, with only a couple examples in the entire history of the game is a likely problem for us. McDavid didn't get offer sheeted but for some reason our guys will.

You don't see how this seems improbable?

This also assumes we don't sign them by July 1.

MvDavid re-signed before his ELC expired so he was never eligible to receive an offer sheet. Same will very likely happen to Matthews, Marner, plus most of the other potential high profile RFA's needing new contracts this summer.

While offer sheets are indeed rare that option is still there and will it eventually be used on a player again in the future at some point most likely. Best to get any potential RFA's re-signed before it gets to that point and you won't have to worry about such stuff happening. If the player gets to July 1st there's always the possibility of an offer sheet even if it's a remote chance but the threat is still there.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs fan here and If I was the Leafs, my reaction to this would be...

Not going to happen Habs fans. Squash the thread now.

 

[sandysan]

I'm not educated enough in this area to get the reference you are making. Nothing is guaranteed but the Leafs have one of the best chances over the next 5 years as any other team.

ponce de leon was allegedly ( there are conflicting views about this) motivated to try and find the fountain of youth in florida so that he could live forever. which you would likely need if you expected to be able to see what the response to the leafs winning multiple cups.

yeah because we all know that the ultimate stanley cup winner is decided in december. is it looking good now ? sure but the cup isnt awarded in December.

 

[Pi]

Are we all forgetting one important aspect in all of this?

Why the f*** would either player accept an offer sheet from Montreal?

If we are under the assumption that all they want is money, they can get it from any team. Why wouldn't they sign an offer sheet from a better team in that case?

 

[BatVader]

Montreal would have to OS Marner, not Matthews.
The vault is going to be open wide for Matthews, leaving what’s left for Marner, and that’s where the only weekness lies. But it would have to be a stupid huge offer....like “STUPID HUGE”

 

[Patagonia]

Habs suck and will likely remain a bad team for the next few years.

Offer Sheeting anyone will at least require $8M+ averaged over 5 years, so this will require the maximum compensation of 4 - 1st round picks. Given they're rebuilding, there is no chance they will pursue anyone unless it's through a sign and trade or UFA.

This is a dumb thread involving the Habs and should be closed down.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I won't say offer sheets don't happen because we don't know that but we do know that no one has signed one since 2013 when ROR signed with Calgary.

Also understand this, the Leafs are NOT the one, they have more money than you and if you do this you will pay for it, there is not a player in the NHL the Leafs can't pay, not every team can say that

A little thing called "cap space" might be a itsy-bitsy problem...

But nice threat anyway.

Congrats.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Habs suck and will likely remain a bad team for the next few years.

They don't suck at all; their defense does, though.

They are going to get significantly better over the next few years; they have tons of solid prospects down the middle and on the back-end.

They also have a ton of available cap space to make moves.

Offer Sheeting anyone will at least require $8M+ averaged over 5 years, so this will require the maximum compensation of 4 - 1st round picks. Given they're rebuilding, there is no chance they will pursue anyone unless it's through a sign and trade or UFA.

Matthews AND Marner are both worth far more than four first round picks. Try again.

This is a dumb thread involving the Habs and should be closed down.

So it's because it has to do with the Habs that you are salty. Got it.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Do you really want to go through the humiliation of a player turning down 14MM to play for the Habs? The leafs only need to match if Matthews signs. Zero chance he would put his future legacy on the line. He is living the dream. Why go to a nightmare?

OMG. You can't be serious.

No problem. Getting used to the classless few Habs and Sabres fans who don't like the game enough to see their team's properly get better to beat the leafs. They just prefer a spiteful remedy to their feelings of being losers. Take it from the real hockey fans out there of which I am sure are also within the Habs and Sabres fan base. It is better to focus on what your team management and players are doing wrong than to wish a better team just goes away. Future victories will feel hollow if they aren't properly earned.

Never heard of him.

The habs fanbase seems to have become much younger

You're really on a roll here.

Spoiled milk in your cereals ?

 

[Patagonia]

They don't suck at all; their defense does, though.

They are going to get significantly better over the next few years; they have tons of solid prospects down the middle and on the back-end.

They also have a ton of available cap space to make moves.



Matthews AND Marner are both worth far more than four first round picks. Try again.



So it's because it has to do with the Habs that you are salty. Got it.

HABs are a bad team, accept it.

However, you're missing the point, it's not a slight against the team. Rebuilding shouldn't be sending 4-1st (likely high picks) to sign a RFA. I'm criticizing the idiotic idea the HABs would consider such a dumb proposal.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I agree that offer sheets are a dumb thing to daydream about because they just never happen anymore.

But did you forget the whole Nylander thing already? LOL. Don't be so sure that it'll be "easy" and all done, nice & tidy, before June 30th at 11:59pm.

You make sense ?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

If you don't think Matthews has the "fire" you should watch him play more. He's as competitive and driven to win just as much as anyone. Just because you don't score 2 points a game over a 7 game playoff series does not mean you lack the "fire". Small sample size, anyone can have an amazing/poor 7 games at any point throughout the season. To question whether or not he is a franchise player is beyond ridiculous, that in itself deserves a huge facepalm.

But it was 2 points over a 7-game series...

Not that I disagree with your point.

 

[Holymakinaw]

You make sense ?

It doesn't take away from the fact that the Habs are a crap team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A little thing called "cap space" might be a itsy-bitsy problem...

But nice threat anyway.

Congrats.

Cap space can be cleared,Trade Zaitsev and if you have to Brown and we are good.

Dermott can take Zaitsev minutes and a Marlie, or Ennis type signing can replace Brown.

We aren't in cap trouble no matter how much you wish for it.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Poorest team in the league offering the biggest contract in NHL history...seems likely

They'll use some of the money that the Leafs fork over.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Its hilarious how salty non-leaf fans are. Sooooo damn salty and jealous. We've built a great team through great drafting...why so angry bro's? First there was no way in hell the leafs were going to get babcock. Then no way in hell we were going to sign Johnny T. Now its there's no way we can keep all 3 young studs. Well Nylander is done and I have 0% concern about the other 2 getting done. None of them would sign an offer sheet even if it was offered. They know this team is going to be great for many years to come and want to be here. They will get paid very handsomely and will be here for a very long time. In the meantime, keep posting your salty comments and I'll keep sitting here laughing my ass off.

Love the name and the avatar.

Mind you, I prefer Châteauneuf, Bandol, Taurasi and Barbaresco.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It doesn't take away from the fact that the Habs are a crap team.

And here you are...

I knew it couldn't last.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Cap space can be cleared,Trade Zaitsev and if you have to Brown and we are good.

Dermott can take Zaitsev minutes and a Marlie, or Ennis type signing can replace Brown.

We aren't in cap trouble no matter how much you wish for it.

So as I wrote: itsy-bitsy problem if you have to make moves to get the space...

Glad we agree.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So as I wrote: itsy-bitsy problem if you have to make moves to get the space...

Glad we agree.

It's not an issues at all

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It's not an issues at all

Strange definition of "not an issue"...

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Sure Matthews and Marner can be "offered sheeted" by the Habs, or any team but that doesn't mean the player signs it. It sure gives the player leverage though in his negotiations with his "home" team. It could bump off their Leaf salary or in Matthews case, bump up his salary and Matthew gets a four or five year term so he can leave as a UFA sooner.