Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[Baksfamous112]

Montreal will finish in the bottom 10 in the league this season. Book it.

See you on the golf court once the first round is done. Book it.

 

[Holymakinaw]

What kind of answer is this? I was talking about Arizona?

Arizona will finish ahead of the Habs. Book it.

 

[DanM]

I don't see the Habs and Leafs throwing offer sheets at each other. I could see other teams doing it to us, but not each other.

If it happened, talk about heavyweights going at it lol

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Doing offer sheets is one thing, Having a player sign one is another. Doubt either Matthews or Marner would sign an offer sheet by Montreal. Not when the Leafs are a far superior team then them.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Why would it be so hard to believe that if they added Matthews they couldn’t be one of the better teams. They would have a 1C, 1D and a 1G Locke’s up. With some young talented players coming up. They may not be in the same boat as Toronto but that’s a playoff team right there.

No need to act like an ass when talking about how bad you think Montreal is when Toronto hasn’t won anything.

Goalie isnt playing like a 1a and their 1d will regress in a couple years most likely. I like gallager and kotk/byron/domi/mete but nothing screams elite to me in their system which you need. We are lucky to have what we have and it isnt even close.

 

[rod]

I don't see the Habs and Leafs throwing offer sheets at each other. I could see other teams doing it to us, but not each other.

If it happened, talk about heavyweights going at it lol

Your right, it wont be Montreal doing an offer sheet, it will be the NY Islanders! remember a guy called Lou Amerello?

 

[DanM]

Your right, it wont be Montreal doing an offer sheet, it will be the NY Islanders! remember a guy called Lou Amerello?

I could see NY doing it.

Mind you, offer sheets won't be happening in general most likely lol

 

[sheed36]

I could see NY doing it.

Mind you, offer sheets won't be happening in general most likely lol

Even if none of the upcoming high profile RFA's officially signs an offersheet this summer (if they do make it to July 1st) there will still very likely be teams contacting the agents for these players throwing huge numbers around. Good leverage for these agents trying to maximize the value of their client knowing what another team would be willing to offer for their clients services.

With so many potential high profile RFA's this summer I'd like to see a couple of offersheets signed by players just to spice things up a bit but like you said it will sadly not likely happen.

 

[BAM]

Rantanen could, in theory be offer sheeted; it would make sense. I imagine the Avs would match whatever was sent out, however.

Point is great, but he isn't worth more than 8.5-9m (and even that is a stretch) so you're making a huge risk; you give him a deal that the Lightning can match, or you're stuck overpaying for a player who has inflated numbers because of his teammates.

Laine could be offer-sheeted, and it would make sense, but Winnipeg would immediately free up the cap space to solve the problem; they can't afford to lose Laine.

Marner could be offer-sheeted, and it would again make sense, but you can't really realistically afford to pay him more than 10/11m.

Matthews is the first player any team should offer-sheet, you could pay the kid 16m and it wouldn't be that big of a deal; he's a 21 year old superstar center. For a team like Montreal, the incentive is greater because the Leafs are not just another team, they're in the same division. You either strip them of a franchise player, or put them in cap hell where they have to dismember the team around the players.

Sure, Leafs could have Matthews at 14, Marner at 12, Tavares at 12, and Nylander at 7; but you can't have a defensive group or Kadri or Marleau or Kapanen with those cap hits. The incentive to offer sheeting is you either get a franchise altering player (Laine/Matthews/Marner) or you **** the team on the other end of it royally.

1. The player still has to sign the contract, why would Matthews or Marner leave a top 3 team and cup contender for the next decade for a team with shitty management and a bottom of the barrel roster?

2. Even in the case where someone left via offer-sheet to the Habs...You don't think at some point you guys will have an elite young player that you'll have drafted in the next few years? The Leafs would just steal that player like it was nothing.

 

[sheed36]

1. The player still has to sign the contract, why would Matthews or Marner leave a top 3 team and cup contender for the next decade for a team with ****ty management and a bottom of the barrel roster?

2. Even in the case where someone left via offer-sheet to the Habs...You don't think at some point you guys will have an elite young player that you'll have drafted in the next few years? The Leafs would just steal that player like it was nothing.

Love the arrogance. Stop acting like the Leafs are the only team in the NHL that prints money.

 

[HabsAddict]

Habs are the second/third most valuable team in the NHL, right besides the leafs...but somehow, they don't have the money? LOL

There is only one issue, is Matthews a franchise player? He has the talents and the points, but he must also have the fire to take a team by the collar and win. Given last year playoffs, I'm not sure.

If Matthews had Gallagher kind of fire and drive, he's worth 4 1st rounds and 14 million without question.

And just for the record.....Matthews did not sleep in leafs pajamas. He is going to want maximum $$$$$$$$$

 

[HabsAddict]

Even if none of the upcoming high profile RFA's officially signs an offersheet this summer (if they do make it to July 1st) there will still very likely be teams contacting the agents for these players throwing huge numbers around. Good leverage for these agents trying to maximize the value of their client knowing what another team would be willing to offer for their clients services.

With so many potential high profile RFA's this summer I'd like to see a couple of offersheets signed by players just to spice things up a bit but like you said it will sadly not likely happen.

How many franchise players were available in t he last 5 years?

It's not the money, it's the 4 picks that very players are worth. Matthews/Laine/etc. are worth 4 mid round picks.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't see the Habs and Leafs throwing offer sheets at each other. I could see other teams doing it to us, but not each other.

If it happened, talk about heavyweights going at it lol

Two of the top 3 richest teams in the NHL.

 

[Brobust]

Players don't consider offer sheets unless they feel completely insulted by a team's stance in contract negotiations.

The Nylander saga went on two months into the season and Lewis Gross admitted that neither he nor Nylander had any interest in talking to other teams.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Arizona will finish ahead of the Habs. Book it.

Funnier and funnier.

Carry on.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Players don't consider offer sheets unless they feel completely insulted by a team's stance in contract negotiations.

The Nylander saga went on two months into the season and Lewis Gross admitted that neither he nor Nylander had any interest in talking to other teams.

You believe player agents and players when they say politically correct things to the media? Do you really think his agent gives two f***s about what teams he has to talk to to get more money?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I won't say offer sheets don't happen because we don't know that but we do know that no one has signed one since 2013 when ROR signed with Calgary.

Also understand this, the Leafs are NOT the one, they have more money than you and if you do this you will pay for it, there is not a player in the NHL the Leafs can't pay, not every team can say that

 

[cgf]

Simple solution. Habs offersheet Marner and try to make him their 1C, Avs offersheet Matthews to be this generation’s Foppa, and Tavares can get back to what he’s used to. Win-win-win.

 

[Notsince67]

Why? That's dumb.

I'm a habs fan and if either of those guys make it to July 1st - the ranking order is:

Matthews - Offer sheet #1

It's a win-win for us. Let's say we offer him 14M$? Well - why not? We can afford it, even within the cap world. We have cap space and need franchise players. And Matthews is a helluva player to build around, as a 1C, a position we've been weak at for a long time (even though somehow our C depth looks a bit better this year). I'd pay the draft picks for Matthews.

If Leafs match? Oh well - we just screwed up the cap of a divisional rival. Great for us too.

Do you really want to go through the humiliation of a player turning down 14MM to play for the Habs? The leafs only need to match if Matthews signs. Zero chance he would put his future legacy on the line. He is living the dream. Why go to a nightmare?

 

[Notsince67]

I mean, Toronto is obviously still better. But Matthews turns most teams in the league into a playoff team pretty easily. If you moved Matthews to Montreal and didn't change the rest of either teams lineup, they'd probably be pretty close in talent.

OMG. You can't be serious.

 

[Notsince67]

I don’t care who does it, but if someone does I’d be so thrilled (sorry leaf fans)

No problem. Getting used to the classless few Habs and Sabres fans who don't like the game enough to see their team's properly get better to beat the leafs. They just prefer a spiteful remedy to their feelings of being losers. Take it from the real hockey fans out there of which I am sure are also within the Habs and Sabres fan base. It is better to focus on what your team management and players are doing wrong than to wish a better team just goes away. Future victories will feel hollow if they aren't properly earned.

 

[Notsince67]

Your right, it wont be Montreal doing an offer sheet, it will be the NY Islanders! remember a guy called Lou Amerello?

Never heard of him.

 

[Notsince67]

Funnier and funnier.

Carry on.

The habs fanbase seems to have become much younger

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I think offersheets should happen more often.

I think if Matthews and Marner seriously take less to stay with the Leafs, the NHLPA should push to abolish RFAs entirely and let players go from their ELCs to UFA straight away, or at least give them arbitration rights immediately and limit RFAs to two years tops. They're prime-time players, they deserve to be paid what the open, free market want to pay them. They're worth 14m a season to Montreal, they might not be worth 14m a season + four 1st round picks though. That's a tough ask for any RFA-coveting team, and that's why RFAs don't seriously consider other teams' interest - those teams will likely try to sign them at below the four 1st rate if only out of self-preservation.

 

[96]

They don’t speak Francais tho so it can’t happen

I think offersheets should happen more often.

I think if Matthews and Marner seriously take less to stay with the Leafs, the NHLPA should push to abolish RFAs entirely and let players go from their ELCs to UFA straight away, or at least give them arbitration rights immediately and limit RFAs to two years tops. They're prime-time players, they deserve to be paid what the open, free market want to pay them. They're worth 14m a season to Montreal, they might not be worth 14m a season + four 1st round picks though. That's a tough ask for any RFA-coveting team, and that's why RFAs don't seriously consider other teams' interest - those teams will likely try to sign them at below the four 1st rate if only out of self-preservation.

I wonder if anyone in the whole world thinks this post is something other than complete garbage LMAO