Value of: Montreal Offer-Sheeting Marner or Matthews

[Holymakinaw]

I know you're just trying to be entertaining on an internet message board and that's fine but.

Some teams are going to be able to offer a player like Matthews a LOT of money. Leafs are probably thinking less than McDavid - maybe 12M$? I think that's a fair estimate, give or take 500k, in terms of what to expect.

come July 1st - I could see some teams throwing at him 14-15M$. Why wouldn't he take it? You're being delusional if you think he won't consider it.

Leafs need to lock him up before July 1st.

Well, my point still stands. Why on earth would Matthews(or Marner) sign some offer sheet to go play for a bad team? They wouldn't.

If you can think of some GREAT team out there that is super close to winning a Cup, that has 15 million and four 1st round picks to spare to get Mathews........not some silly idea like the one in the OP but a team that Matthews would actually WANT to go to........let me know.

He's in a great position to start winning Cups here in Toronto, and is surrounded by incredible talent, and works for the wealthiest team in the NHL, who will throw money at him for as long as he wants.

So explain who he'd REALISTICALLY give all that up to move his house and go play for?

 

[loyaltotheend]

He's not just asking a simple question, he uses a tone that makes people think Montreal sucks as a city and nobody wants to go there. He asked if there were any good players who wanted to go there. Ill agree these are not top players, but still good players.

Nobody knows if Radulov had more offers. I don't think you know more than anyone.

If Tavares really liked the Leafs at the point of wearing their pajamas, I respect he didn't want to go to the enemy.

And by the way, nobody was signing with Toronto when they sucked.

The bolded part is true, as I mentioned before regarding Tavares. And the point holds true for Montreal. No one is going to leave a contender to sign in Montreal, for a slightly bigger payday

 

[Commander Clueless]

You guys cut that out!


They are ours....

 

[robertmac43]

Great way to start a riot!

 

[Dache]

I actually agree here.

Matthews - $11M
Marner - $8.5M

There will be no offer sheet. It won’t reach that far. It is already confirmed that Dubas is working on both extensions. You can bet he is going to make sure both deals are signed ASAP!

This is what I think is fair/reasonable as well. As long as the players think that as well then it should be no problem

 

[Dache]

I believe Matthews will sign before Marner.

It would probably be better to sign them the opposite way of Marner keeps up his pace, other wise you’ll end up with a McDavid, Drai scenario.

 

[Dache]

Well, my point still stands. Why on earth would Matthews(or Marner) sign some offer sheet to go play for a bad team? They wouldn't.

If you can think of some GREAT team out there that is super close to winning a Cup, that has 15 million and four 1st round picks to spare to get Mathews........not some silly idea like the one in the OP but a team that Matthews would actually WANT to go to........let me know.

He's in a great position to start winning Cups here in Toronto, and is surrounded by incredible talent, and works for the wealthiest team in the NHL, who will throw money at him for as long as he wants.

So explain who he'd REALISTICALLY give all that up to move his house and go play for?

Carolina is really close to a good team with a #1 center

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Theoretically, sure.
I highly doubt they'd want to play in Montreal, so I doubt they'd sign it.

If we are being honest... no one wants to play in Montreal. Its one step above early retirement.

 

[DueDiligence]

Well, my point still stands. Why on earth would Matthews(or Marner) sign some offer sheet to go play for a bad team? They wouldn't.

If you can think of some GREAT team out there that is super close to winning a Cup, that has 15 million and four 1st round picks to spare to get Mathews........not some silly idea like the one in the OP but a team that Matthews would actually WANT to go to........let me know.

He's in a great position to start winning Cups here in Toronto, and is surrounded by incredible talent, and works for the wealthiest team in the NHL, who will throw money at him for as long as he wants.

So explain who he'd REALISTICALLY give all that up to move his house and go play for?

Marner wouldn't but Matthews could go to Arizona. The Coyotes have the cap space , have the pics and an up and coming team. Matthews gets to go home! He would immediately spark a rise in ticket sales and TV ratings as their homegrown star.

 

[34]

It would probably be better to sign them the opposite way of Marner keeps up his pace, other wise you’ll end up with a McDavid, Drai scenario.

Yeah, Marner is making it tough for sure. He will be the trickier of the 2 contracts.

We already know Matthews is getting $11M at minimum.

 

[Dache]

Yeah, Marner is making it tough for sure. He will be the trickier of the 2 contracts.

We already know Matthews is getting $11M at minimum.

Exactly. If Matthews signs for 11.5 first for example. It’s going to be a tough conversation then going to Marner if he gets 100pts, or even 90 and saying you’re worth 3 mil less.

 

[hyduK]

Exactly. If Matthews signs for 11.5 first for example. It’s going to be a tough conversation then going to Marner if he gets 100pts, or even 90 and saying you’re worth 3 mil less.

It'll already be tough to get Marner at that number.

They gave Willy 7m over 6 years and Marner is on pace to get around 40 points more than Willy had in his contract year. Try convincing him he's only worth 1.5m more at that point. Especially if the Leafs want those extra couple UFA years...

I feel like the way this is resolved is Marner getting a shorter contract. Lock Matthews up long term...he's the best player and the face of the franchise/probably captain. Give Marner 5 years and you can keep the caphit around 9m. After 5 years the cap has gone up enough that you can sign him again long term.

Long term contracts = more dollars. Get creative with the years and stagger them so that when it's time to reup the cap has had room to grow.

 

[Legend123]

Theoretically, sure.
I highly doubt they'd want to play in Montreal, so I doubt they'd sign it.

Marner i can see. But why not Matthews?? He's playing in Toronto as an American, im sure he wouldn't be bothered too much if he had to skip cities and play in Montreal. I mean its not like he chose Toronto or anything.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Marner wouldn't but Matthews could go to Arizona. The Coyotes have the cap space , have the pics and an up and coming team. Matthews gets to go home! He would immediately spark a rise in ticket sales and TV ratings as their homegrown star.

.....and he'd be on a horrible, lose-every-year team, as opposed to Toronto, who are very close to being a serious contender now.

Sounds fun for him.

 

[Legend123]

why in the hell would Montreal give a tons of first round picks for Marner ? you would give 4 years of high picks for Marner ?
The cost to sign a RFA is simply stupid and no GM wants to touch that.

$9,131,645 or greater

Four first-round picks

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ITS INSANE, you do understand that MTL top draft picks are going to be in the top 10 for 2 +years, right ?


you would give Toronto a dynasty for Marner, really ?

With Marner or Matthews in the team, We wont be a bottom 10 team. In fact, with Matthews as our #1 C and Kotka as our #2C, we are most likley a consistent playoff team.

 

[hyduK]

.....and he'd be on a horrible, lose-every-year team, as opposed to Toronto, who are very close to being a serious contender now.

Sounds fun for him.

I mean, Toronto is obviously still better. But Matthews turns most teams in the league into a playoff team pretty easily. If you moved Matthews to Montreal and didn't change the rest of either teams lineup, they'd probably be pretty close in talent.

 

[Holymakinaw]

I mean, Toronto is obviously still better. But Matthews turns most teams in the league into a playoff team pretty easily. If you moved Matthews to Montreal and didn't change the rest of either teams lineup, they'd probably be pretty close in talent.

LMAO.

 

[thefutures]

Interesting scenerio, i think dubas is a smart guy and will get on both guys negotiations immediately once the season finishes. Since there are two of then i wouldnt be entirely shocked to see one get offer sheeted if it gets too july. Giving them their money pre july will save them 2 or 3 mill total as any offer sheet would probably be a couple mill over what we expect toronto too offer and potentially get done before they hit rfa. It would take an overpayment for these guys to leave, toronto fans would u match mattews at 13 mill or marner at say 10.5? Or would u take the 4 picks from montreal?

 

[DoobieDubas]

Marner i can see. But why not Matthews?? He's playing in Toronto as an American, im sure he wouldn't be bothered too much if he had to skip cities and play in Montreal. I mean its not like he chose Toronto or anything.

imagine he leaves and we win it all he would never forgive himself. Mtl is not a top team so why would he leave lol not like mtl is a top team with him. also french...uck

 

[hyduK]

LMAO.

Bit of an exaggeration maybe but they're not that far apart. Matthews is your best player and also has the most room for improvement. Certainly not going to be getting many good draft picks as compensation.

 

[DueDiligence]

.....and he'd be on a horrible, lose-every-year team, as opposed to Toronto, who are very close to being a serious contender now.

Sounds fun for him.

Typical Leaf fan not knowing the facts. They are not a" horrible team" anymore. They are middle of the pact and getting better. And Matthews would make them a lot better.

 

[bobholly39]

Well, my point still stands. Why on earth would Matthews(or Marner) sign some offer sheet to go play for a bad team? They wouldn't.

If you can think of some GREAT team out there that is super close to winning a Cup, that has 15 million and four 1st round picks to spare to get Mathews........not some silly idea like the one in the OP but a team that Matthews would actually WANT to go to........let me know.

He's in a great position to start winning Cups here in Toronto, and is surrounded by incredible talent, and works for the wealthiest team in the NHL, who will throw money at him for as long as he wants.

So explain who he'd REALISTICALLY give all that up to move his house and go play for?

7x3M$ per year = 21M$

Seems simple enough an explanation.

Some players care a lot about winning. Some care less.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Reasons why this would never happen:

-Player either has to join Montreal and become the most hated player in Leafs history.
-Toronto matches the offersheet and the player is now the most hated player in Leafs history while playing for the team.

Only situation that would occur is using another teams offer as leverage to drive up Toronto's ask. I'd assume this is what most guys do that aren't getting the number they want. That's why you don't see offer sheets signed ever.

 

[Cor]

This at least is more plausible than Arizona offer sheeting one.

So good job I guess

 

[Legend123]

imagine he leaves and we win it all he would never forgive himself. Mtl is not a top team so why would he leave lol not like mtl is a top team with him. also french...uck

Not saying he would but what was said by the guy who said it as if it's a fact is moronic.