So many people don't seem to have watched PLD at all or know what he is doing for this team. There is nothing the Habs have that I would trade him for. Suzuki might be a sideways trade, but why would we do that? Rather keep the guy with the chemistry and Habs fans wouldn't want to do that trade either.
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No skin in this game, so from my side of the fence the Habs would do this in a heartbeat. A french Canadian star for those pieces is a slam dunk. The Jets don't consider this offer or any other on PLD imo. If you were talking Mark Scheifele, they might look at this offer.
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I would personally take Suzuki over PLD, but the gap is not very big. They are only a year apart in age, have almost identical playoff statistics, very similar regular season stats.
I'm enjoying the irrational back and forth in here though.
Correct the difference is very minor and largely just personal preference as a fan.
PLD - Bigger, much more physical, pest, better goal scorer. Offensively almost identical numbers as Suzuki.
Suzuki - I think is slightly more offensive overall (albeit numbers are almost identical) and slightly better defensively.
Neither are great at FO's which is weird b/c that is a skill a person can get better at. Both drive play well and any team would love to have either. Suzuki is signed long term and PLD contract I up this summer and I expect he will get slightly more then Suzuki due to more UFA time "if" signs for same term.
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I think that the 1st and Guhle is a great package as a starting piece, but it's not enough. And Poehling's value is almost nothing.
Jets needs d-men, right?
- Petry or Edmunson( not the main piece, but a "band-aid" that would help the Jets a lot as a short term solution, plus the Habs would need that space. Can be replaced by Edmunson if you prefer)
- Dvorak (2nd line center on a good contract to play behind Scheif. He had a rough start in Mtl but to be fair, every players had one. He's pretty decent as of now)
- Guhle (Main piece, he's the Habs best prospect and projected as a 1st pairing or 2nd pairing d-man. Not ready to play in the NHL right now but you'd have Petry or Edmuson in the mean time)
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Montreal gets
- PLD (Big center to play behind Suzuki. I'd play him with Anderson lol)
- + (pick or prospect, to equalize everything)
Jets needs d-men, right?
- Petry or Edmunson( not the main piece, but a "band-aid" that would help the Jets a lot as a short term solution, plus the Habs would need that space. Can be replaced by Edmunson if you prefer)
- Dvorak (2nd line center on a good contract to play behind Scheif. He had a rough start in Mtl but to be fair, every players had one. He's pretty decent as of now)
- Guhle (Main piece, he's the Habs best prospect and projected as a 1st pairing or 2nd pairing d-man. Not ready to play in the NHL right now but you'd have Petry or Edmuson in the mean time)
- 1st Calgary 2022
Montreal gets
- PLD (Big center to play behind Suzuki. I'd play him with Anderson lol)
- + (pick or prospect, to equalize everything)
I don't see enough difference in output to be willing to give up the physical specimen that PLD is. If Suzuki outscored PLD buy 20% sure, but right now that plus would be going to Winnipeg before they would consider a deal like this.
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Holy Cow, what overpayment, thats nuts. Hugo should be fired if they ever offered that.
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Are there 2 Ryan Poehling?? The one I know about is in his D+5 season, has played 77 career games and has 18 points. In fact if it wasn't for that hat-trick in his debut 4 seasons ago he would have 5 goals and 15 points in 76 games at 23 years old. Players with that type of resume don't carry much value.
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No thanks, PLD is not available and not for that offer.
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This type of argument has been disproven almost every time there is a trade. How many 40-50 goal scorers have there been because they were traded to Pitt to play with Crosby? On this board 8-10, in hindsight zero. There are a lot of factors that play into the chemistry of a line. Burrow went from roller hockey to a 30 goal scorer in the NHL with the Sedins but a lot of players with better pedigree failed to get any traction with them.
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That is debatable. They are darn equal as players. Certainly nothing to LOL over.
OK, so ONE playoff round where the entire team SUCKED and that is how you regard him forever? Not a very astute way to assess talent.
Both teams say no. Habs are rebuilding so do t want to trade a future potential top pairing Dman for a player ready to win now.
Habs hope to draft Cooley or Wright and are set at C with Suzuki and Wright/Cooley.
Value is not quite there from the Jets perspective unless they love Guhle or have there eye on a player in the last 1st round.
Habs hope to draft Cooley or Wright and are set at C with Suzuki and Wright/Cooley.
Value is not quite there from the Jets perspective unless they love Guhle or have there eye on a player in the last 1st round.
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Suzuki is PPG in his last 26 or 27 games. He had a rougher start, but right now, he's killing it. He was also killing it last year in the playoffs.
I will not be the guy that call Dubois a bad player, because he's not, I'd take him in a heartbeat on the Habs. He would be an awesome second line center, I'd put him between Anderson and Armia to wreck shit up. Good player, still young, has a mean streak, everybody knows him.
But in vaccum, IMO, Suzuki is better everywhere. And as far as physical play goes, it doesn't matter too much, we have other players that can do it.
To say that Suzuki must come with assets to get PLD is to me, ludicrous
You say Suzuki is better everywhere but show no evidence other than "he's killing it" right now (I indicated earlier in the thread a stats site in fact show Dubois is currently better in many categories). A hot streak is just that. Does not make him a better player everywhere.
And while I initially responded by saying Suzuki + (in response to a terrible OP) I have suggested the two players are very even in value. You even quoted the post where I said they are "darn even players". Heck, they both have 53 points in 73 games THIS season.
Maybe you are right and Suzuki IS a PPG player moving forward and establishes himself as the clear better player. Maybe. No problem if you keep yours and the Jets keep theirs.
Mostly, I wish I could turn back the clock so the Jets did NOT trade the pick to Vegas and that they used it to draft Suzuki in the first place.
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Whenever a poster slices the sample size to fit his argument, it's a dishonnest argument.
These types of threads usually bring out the extra-bluntness and exaggeration, almost always from both sides. Habs fans are alright.
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Yup. Jets arent doing full rebuild.
They slap Habs around now; and, in 3-5 years as they are a few steps ahead.
Doesn't change the fact you're usually will produce more offensivelly when gifted strong players to play with.
Especially when you arent one of the best player to ever play the game like Crosby-McD-Ovi etc... It's a team sport for a reason.
PLD has a much better crew around him, and yet can't seem to be able to outproduce a younger player than him in Suzuki... Saying Habs would need to add to Suzuki is complete non--sense. I don't think Habs would trade Suzuki for any player on the Jets roster appart from Connor. Considering age, contract, position etc...
The + better be Savard & Hoffman’s contract because there’s no way I see Montreal moving Suzuki for PLD straight up
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