He is. As usually Quint is wrong. Suzuki is good defensively. Even if his O zone starts were high it would be because he is bay far the best offensive centre on the team.
Proposal: Montreal and Winnipeg
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Romang67
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I'd say it's more akin to Heinola + Ves + NYR 1st (if they make the ECF). I wouldn't expect the Habs to be interested in that, like we're not interested in this offer.
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Not a chance. PLD is the most popular player in Winnipeg these days.
#1, Faceoffs are A minority of shift starts. #2, He gets caved in on shot share which is leading to a horrendous +/-. But go ahead and call that “good”.
Again, we can't compare a guy with 55pts in 73 games who plays night in and night out with top end talents like Connor, Wheeler, Scheiffle etc... To a guy who's best linemate is a 1st year rookie.
Suzuki's value is higher than PLD. a top10 prospect league wide, a late 1st and a 3rd liner is a good offer for a 60pts 2nd line C with size (60pts playing with guys who are near PPG btw)
I'd say that if Habs were to trade Suzuki (which won't happen), we'd be looking at a package similar to what Chycrun will get. Dubois isn't on that level
danyhabsfan
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You should take 5 minutes to go to capfriendly.
75M for 19 players as of right now for next season.
Leaving 7.5M for 4 players
Romang67
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Should go trade them for another one then. The Jets are obviously not going to trade PLD for that package. It's utterly mediocre.
We don't need to trade them. We'll be able to draft either Wright or Bedard / Michkov. No need to try and speed things off when habs will most likelly still be top2 at the draft for the next 3 years
People don't seem to realize that Connor is playing his best hockey with PLD. You get the puck a heck of a lot more when you are a team's only good player. Interesting people aren't willing to give us anything of value for Schief but yet when it comes to putting PLD down. Gee whiz he gets to play with Wheeler and Schief.
Yep. When is Montreal going to be done rebuilding and compete in your opinion 2030?
Dubois has played with Connor and Svech for the most part I think. Power play is different story just like Montreal’s would be. I know you are trying to undersell Caufield here, but he’s been damn good since St Louis took over. I’m sure Dubois numbers would be up if the Jets didn’t employ a Timbits strategy and have one of the dads coach.
The Gr8 Dane
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Actually pretty soon, unlike most mediocre franchises that bottom out we actually have a culture to maintain in montreal, cant just sit in the bottom of the league and accumulate top 10 picks like most teams that rebuild forever
Not trying to undermine Caufield, but he's a not at Connor-Wheeler-Ehlers level at all. Not yet.
Give Suzuki one of those guys instead and he's probably closer to PPG.
It's just silly to argue about the value of the Montreal offer when the BIG ISSUE is that conceptually, it makes no sense for the Jets to sell off a core member for magic beans. Winnipeg isn't in sell-off mode. They are not rebuilding. If you think the Jets should be rebuilding, then we have a lot of other pieces to move first (and not a 23 year old centre).
When making a trade proposal, maybe figure out if it even makes sense for the other team. When debating the proposal, don't fixate on value if the concept (trading core for prospects) is stupid.
This whole thread is garbage.
When making a trade proposal, maybe figure out if it even makes sense for the other team. When debating the proposal, don't fixate on value if the concept (trading core for prospects) is stupid.
This whole thread is garbage.
Tasteless Beaver
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A usual Montreal trade proposal.
Montreal fans: give us your star player for this mediocre trade package
Team 2 fans: No, that’s an awful offer
Montreal fans: Fine, he sucks, we didn’t want him anyway!
Rinse, repeat.
Montreal fans: give us your star player for this mediocre trade package
Team 2 fans: No, that’s an awful offer
Montreal fans: Fine, he sucks, we didn’t want him anyway!
Rinse, repeat.
pth2
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Yup. Like I said in post #6: Winnipeg isn't rebuilding from scratch.
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pth2
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He's still a young yet proven top-6 center.
The offer is only a high-end prospect, a late first in a bad draft, and a bottom-six forward who hasn't established himself. It's just not enough. (and Winnipeg isn't tearing it all down anyways).
if you want to get something good, you need to give up something good,
not a bunch of maybe's
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I would personally take Suzuki over PLD, but the gap is not very big. They are only a year apart in age, have almost identical playoff statistics, very similar regular season stats.
I'm enjoying the irrational back and forth in here though.
I'm enjoying the irrational back and forth in here though.
I agree, that's a lot closer. Don't see Winnipeg having interest in that at all.
However, Suzuki is locked up for an extra 8 years at a decent cap hit, let's see what PLD wants/gets.
Also, PLD was a total no show in the playoffs last year, while Suzuki was very good, specially against Winnipeg.
It's true they are close, but the only time PLD has had strong year offensively he had a very good winger on his line in Panarin and Connor. Suzuki is doing great with Caufield now, but it's only been 30 games. He usually make players around him better a lot more then PLD imo.I would personally take Suzuki over PLD, but the gap is not very big. They are only a year apart in age, have almost identical playoff statistics, very similar regular season stats.
I'm enjoying the irrational back and forth in here though.
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