Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Junohockeyfan]

You’re right about him not being the answer at 2C.

So, if you put any third liner next to MacKinnon (mentioning him due to a lack of a 2C) and they’ll be more productive. Plus they’ll likely do other things. It’s doubtful he makes it on to the Avs PP1. It would take an injury.

I think he would be more productive with linemates like a healthy Lehkonen / Nikushkin than a cooked Gallagher and useless Armia. Just a theory of mine...

The fact he is producing offense on the PP) can't be held against him.

That said, the Avs need a more proven 2C like Lindstrom or better to compete for a cup IMO.

 

[John Mandalorian]

His xGF% with Pearson is 40%. His xGF% away from Pearson is 45%. Pearson's xGF% away from him is 57%.

Again, this idea that Monahan's linemates are the ones holding him back, rather than the other way around, doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Except for Anderson, who seems to be awful with Monahan, and even worse away from him.

Anderson is a guy who might be a fit for the Avs except he makes too much money.

 

[Romang67]

Anderson is a guy who might be a fit for the Avs except he makes too much money.

Anderson really sucks. He's genuinely dreadful. He's even worse than Monahan.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Anderson is a guy who might be a fit for the Avs except he makes too much money.

His speed, grit, hitting, toughness would be very useful in the playoffs for the Avs. But his caphit is not ideal and i don't see the Habs retaining 50%.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Anderson really sucks. He's genuinely dreadful. He's even worse than Monahan.

Yeah. He’s been unproductive but Colorado suits his strengths. Speed and physicality. Again, he’s too expensive.

His speed, grit, hitting, toughness would be very useful in the playoffs for the Avs. But his caphit is not ideal and i don't see the Habs retaining 50%.

Exactly. 100%.

 

[MardyBum]

Tell me you know nothing about him without telling me you know nothing about him......

He's getting 50% of his points on the PP like pretty much every offensive players in the NHL, it's such a stupid argument, well done.

Try to watch some hockey, you might like it.

Which is why you can look at 5v5 production to see how they're performing. He's 250ish in 5v5 points. He's around 220th per 60 with a min of 450 mins played.

The Jets (for example) have 12 forwards that are scoring at a better pace than Monahan's 1.33 P/60. We'll take out Toninato and his 100+ mins, and even Axel and his nearly 200 mins, that's still 10 guys.

The "offensive" players who score 50% of their points on the PP also put up alot of 5v5 points. Then add on to the fact he hasn't been good defensively this year. And it's just an at best third line guy. He'll get more than he's worth for reputation, but he hasn't been performing as well as he did last year when an injury (surprise) stopped him from getting the Habs a good return.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think he would be more productive with linemates like a healthy Lehkonen / Nikushkin than a cooked Gallagher and useless Armia. Just a theory of mine...

The fact he is producing offense on the PP) can't be held against him.

That said, the Avs need a more proven 2C like Lindstrom or better to compete for a cup IMO.

Agree about Lindholm.

And you might be right about Monahan between Lehkonen and Monahan. But it’s too much risk.

Can’t skate
Doesn’t fore/back check
Good at face offs
Relies on PP

This describes both Johansen and Monahan. The Avs already have Johansen who has been a failure. You’ve made it known you think Monahan is better. Perhaps he is. But is it enough to be worth the risk? The Avs are better off keeping assets than trying and failing at more half measures.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Agree about Lindholm.

And you might be right about Monahan between Lehkonen and Monahan. But it’s too much risk.

Can’t skate
Doesn’t fore/back check
Good at face offs
Relies on PP

This describes both Johansen and Monahan. The Avs already have Johansen who has been a failure. You’ve made it known you think Monahan is better. Perhaps he is. But is it enough to be worth the risk? The Avs are better off keeping assets than trying and failing at more half measures.

I wouldn't do it if i was the Avs. I don't know what the Habs can get for Monahan at TDL. But i do know that teams make really bad decisions and cough more than you were expecting.

Whatever the Habs get for Monahan (if he's dealt) is gravy. They already got a 1st for taking him on.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I wouldn't do it if i was the Avs. I don't know what the Habs can get for Monahan at TDL. But i do know that teams make really bad decisions and cough more than you were expecting.

Whatever the Habs get for Monahan (if he's dealt) is gravy. They already got a 1st for taking him on.

How much longer do the Habs stay committed to the rebuild? Once the D core is ready?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

How much longer do the Habs stay committed to the rebuild? Once the D core is ready?

The D corps will determine when the Habs compete. They are at least 2 years away from making a difference.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The D corps will determine when the Habs compete. They are at least 2 years away from making a difference.

That makes sense. They have a lot invested in their young D. By the way, “core” was used intentionally as it seems a few of them would be building block pieces (as opposed to overall group ie corps). What would you say are “do not trade” guys? Guhle, Rheinbacher,...?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

That makes sense. They have a lot invested in their young D. By the way, “core” was used intentionally as it seems a few of them would be building block pieces (as opposed to overall group ie corps). What would you say are “do not trade” guys? Guhle, Rheinbacher,...?

Guhle, Hutson and Reinbacher for sure on the do not trade list. The rest have potential to be traded. Something has to give as the Habs have too many LHD (Matheson, Struble, Xhekaj, Guhle, Harris). Some will be used in trades to fill the missing pieces.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Two primary assists by Monahan at even strength today including the assist to Caufield on the winning goal against the Devils.

 

[biturbo19]

I mean yeah, if i were the Habs...i'd want to unload Monahan first too. Like a hot potato. Get value for him while he's still healthy and playing and you can actually get something. The longer you wait, the bigger the risk you're hanging onto a whole handful of absolutely nothing on the LTIR.


He also makes sense as one of the first pieces to move, because his contract is tiny, which means a lot more teams are able to fit him in comfortably, a lot earlier before the deadline.

 

[CAUFIELD]

A 2nd round pick is perfect value for him. Anything extra would be a bonus . Trade him asap Hughes !!

 

[TheNumber4]

Montreal called up and AHL player for no apparent reason.

All I know is whatever this AHLers name is, he’s returning a 1st. Right habs fans

Yeah. He’s been unproductive but Colorado suits his strengths. Speed and physicality. Again, he’s too expensive.



Exactly. 100%.

But he doesn’t suit Colorado’s strengths. The ability to make plays and play good hockey.

 

[HuGort]

Two primary assists by Monahan at even strength today including the assist to Caufield on the winning goal against the Devils.

I'd like to sign Monahan. He's smart player, good leadership in dressing room. But 7 Jets scouts came to Habs game tonight. Don't sound good for my hopes.

 

[FerrisRox]

I'd like to sign Monahan. He's smart player, good leadership in dressing room. But 7 Jets scouts came to Habs game tonight. Don't sound good for my hopes.

I really don't think Hughes will be dumb enough to re-sign Sean Monahan.

He absolutely needs to trade him for the best asset he can return and there's no reason at all to resign him as a free agent.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Which is why you can look at 5v5 production to see how they're performing. He's 250ish in 5v5 points. He's around 220th per 60 with a min of 450 mins played.

The Jets (for example) have 12 forwards that are scoring at a better pace than Monahan's 1.33 P/60. We'll take out Toninato and his 100+ mins, and even Axel and his nearly 200 mins, that's still 10 guys.

The "offensive" players who score 50% of their points on the PP also put up alot of 5v5 points. Then add on to the fact he hasn't been good defensively this year. And it's just an at best third line guy. He'll get more than he's worth for reputation, but he hasn't been performing as well as he did last year when an injury (surprise) stopped him from getting the Habs a good return.

Have you noticed who Sean Monahan has been playing with in 5v5 situations? Should anyone be shocked he isn't putting up big numbers playing with guys like Jesse Ylönen and Joel Armia?

 

[EveryDay]

Two primary assists by Monahan at even strength today including the assist to Caufield on the winning goal against the Devils.

Not only that, he was the best player on the ice from both team.

I really don't think Hughes will be dumb enough to re-sign Sean Monahan.

He absolutely needs to trade him for the best asset he can return and there's no reason at all to resign him as a free agent.

Disagree. I'm probably not the only wishing hes's back this summer on a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

[Miller Time]

I really don't think Hughes will be dumb enough to re-sign Sean Monahan.

He absolutely needs to trade him for the best asset he can return and there's no reason at all to resign him as a free agent.

Could not disagree more.

Habs are looking to improve the quality of their NHL roster year over year, not regress or stagnate.

 

[Hunter368]

I'd like to sign Monahan. He's smart player, good leadership in dressing room. But 7 Jets scouts came to Habs game tonight. Don't sound good for my hopes.

Panthers/Wings game, COlby guy is with the AP media who covers the Panthers.

 

[MardyBum]

Panthers/Wings game

"Bally Sports Florida"
"Florida Hockey Ops"

Hmmmm.

 

[pth2]

I really don't think Hughes will be dumb enough to re-sign Sean Monahan.

He absolutely needs to trade him for the best asset he can return and there's no reason at all to resign him as a free agent.

Well, it all depends on what they can get for him. When people suggest he'll only fetch a 3d rounder, I figure might as well re-sign him, and if he's only worth a 3d then his contract will be reasonable in terms of AAV and years.

If he's worth a 2nd and a prospect or a 2nd and a 3d, then his price tag goes up and the value of moving him goes up as well.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Panthers/Wings game, COlby guy is with the AP media who covers the Panthers.

Apparently the Jets just had their annual scouts meeting in Florida - so I guess they all decided to take in a game, lol.



And it is HILARIOUS that Montreal fans looked at that graphic with "bally sports florida" and "Florida hockey ops" and just believed it was at their game.