Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[ottawa]

A player who's a liability 5v5 and only produces on the PP doesn't sound like a good pickup for the playoffs, even if we ignore the fact that he ranked 210th among forwards in points/60 on the PP last season (up to a respectable, although hardly a gamechanging 94th this season).

Here's the thing though...it doesn't matter what you think of Monahan and nor does your opinion have any value on his trade outcome, he's on the trade block for a reason and there's interest in him for a reason.

Not sure how Winnipeg made it's way into this discussion given OP, but I'm guessing a fellow habs fan threw Winnipeg into the mix.

As far as Monahan's vaue goes, I think a 2nd pick is a safe bet even if he's just a PP specialist. He offers depth that I imagine a lot of playoff teams would welcome, maybe Winnipeg is one of those teams (based on them scouting the habs) or maybe they're not.

 

[pth2]

Based on what Kent Hughes said this morning, I'd assume Monahan is pretty much plan B (or C?) for anyone looking for a center, plan A being Lindholm.... and until he's traded or extended, Monahan isn't going anywhere (except if the Habs price is met ahead of Lindholm getting moved, which would seem unlikely to me).

 

[Romang67]

Here's the thing though...it doesn't matter what you think of Monahan and nor does your opinion have any value on his trade outcome, he's on the trade block for a reason and there's interest in him for a reason.

Not sure how Winnipeg made it's way into this discussion given OP, but I'm guessing a fellow habs fan threw Winnipeg into the mix.

As far as Monahan's vaue goes, I think a 2nd pick is a safe bet even if he's just a PP specialist. He offers depth that I imagine a lot of playoff teams would welcome, maybe Winnipeg is one of those teams (based on them scouting the habs) or maybe they're not.

You don't actually think you get to dictate the conversation and tell people they can't point out Monahan's flaws in a discussion about what Monahan might return in a trade, right?

 

[Snowman]

Ok then put him on the PP? He'd be leading the Jets in powerplay points.

Also Monahan has 13:43 ES time not 18 minutes. If you're going to talk about his 18 mins of icetime then you talk about his 24 points.

And his ES production is still more than 3/6 guys I mentioned and not far from Axel or Barron.

It isn't hard to figure this out

So, you want Winnipeg to trade for a guy that is comparable in scoring to 4th line players and AHL injury call ups and play him as a 2C?

Or play him as a 4C that is awful at defense? He simply isn't good enough offensively for the top 6 and not good enough defensively for the bottom 6.

The Jets don't need a PP specialist that is useless at all other aspects of the game.

Monahan doesn't improve the Jets at all, especially at the price Montreal reportedly wants.

The Jets are better off saving those assets for a player that actually improves the team other than giving the Jets another option for a healthy scratch.

He's a bad player that offers nothing that Winnipeg needs or wants. Dump him elsewhere.

The Jets have no incentive to mess the the chemistry of a lineup that is playing near the top of the league now to add an injury prone player that is only useful on the PP.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So, you want Winnipeg to trade for a guy that is comparable in scoring to 4th line players and AHL injury call ups and play him as a 2C?

The Jets don't need a PP specialist that is useless at all other aspects of the game.

Monahan doesn't improve the Jets at all, especially at the price Montreal reportedly wants.

The Jets are better off saving those assets for a player that actually improves the team other than giving the Jets whither option for a healthy scratch.

He's a bad player that offers nothing that Winnipeg needs or wants. Dump him elsewhere.

I will say this for Monahan, he's been really good on the draw this year. A team needing faceoff help and possibly a boost on the powerplay would be a decent fit for him. I don't see a fit for him in Edmonton because all of our regular centres are between 50% and 56%. Winnipeg makes *some* sense, but I absolutely would not give up a first for him. 11 points 5v5 in 42 games isn't going to get anyone overly excited.

 

[ottawa]

You don't actually think you get to dictate the conversation and tell people they can't point out Monahan's flaws in a discussion about what Monahan might return in a trade, right?

What are you going on about?

 

[Romang67]

What are you going on about?

It sure seems like your "it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Monahan" is much more an attempt to shut down conversation than it is adding to the conversation. I'm not so subtly implying that you should stop that.

 

[Snowman]

I will say this for Monahan, he's been really good on the draw this year. A team needing faceoff help would be a decent fit for him. I don't see a fit for him in Edmonton because all of our regular centres are between 50% and 56%. Winnipeg makes *some* sense, but I absolutely would not give up a first for him.

True, he is good at face offs, but the Jets are at the top of the league right now and they are terrible at face offs, so fans tend to overrate that skill.

He's just not worth messing with the lineup to try and incorporate.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

True, he is good at face offs, but the Jets are at the top of the league right now and they are terrible at face offs, so fans tend to overrate that skill.

He's just not worth messing with the lineup to try and incorporate.

That's fair. The Jets, Oilers, and Canucks all look like juggernauts right now. The key for all three will be figuring out how to add complementary pieces that fit their needs and don't mess anything up that's working.

 

[ottawa]

So, you want Winnipeg to trade for a guy that is comparable in scoring to 4th line players and AHL injury call ups and play him as a 2C?

Or play him as a 4C that is awful at defense? He simply isn't good enough offensively for the top 6 and not good enough defensively for the bottom 6.

I don't want Winnipeg to do or not do anything.

I also don't really care if Winnipeg or any team decides to play him as a 2C or 3C or 4C, it depends on each teams needs.

Monahan doesn't improve the Jets at all, especially at the price Montreal reportedly wants.

Sure Monahan improves the Jets, I just named a few players he'd be an upgrade over. Whether he'd be a good fit based on his defense might be a different answer, I'm not sure how the bottom 6 compares defensively to him I didn't check their advanced stats.

The Jets are better off saving those assets for a player that actually improves the team other than giving the Jets whither option for a healthy scratch.

He's a bad player that offers nothing that Winnipeg needs or wants. Dump him elsewhere.

The Jets have no incentive to mess the the chemistry of a lineup that is playing near the top of the league now to add an injury prone player that is only useful on the PP.

Maybe...but the Jets did scout the habs, and Monahan is up for trade so there's speculation on whether or not he's the one being scouted.

It sure seems like your "it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Monahan" is much more an attempt to shut down conversation than it is adding to the conversation. I'm not so subtly implying that you should stop that.

Says the guy that's saying Monahan isn't a good pick up for the playoffs because of his 5v5 play, in spite of the OP clearly saying that 3 contenders are interested in him?

What point are you trying to make?

You said he's not a good pick up for playoffs teams and I'm telling you that he is based on an NHL insider. Unless you have better sources than Dreger, I don't know what you're on about.

 

[Romang67]

Says the guy that's saying Monahan isn't a good pick up for the playoffs because of his 5v5 play, in spite of the OP clearly saying that 3 contenders are interested in him?

What point are you trying to make?

You said he's not a good pick up and I'm telling you that he is based on an NHL insider.

Yes? I'm explaining why Monahan should fetch much value. It's because he's bad defensively and doesn't produce 5v5.

Are you under the impression that this isn't things that should be discussed in a thread that pertains to Monahan's trade value? Or do you just not understand why they are adding to the discussion?

 

[ottawa]

Yes? I'm explaining why Monahan should fetch much value. It's because he's bad defensively and doesn't produce 5v5.

Are you under the impression that this isn't things that should be discussed in a thread that pertains to Monahan's trade value? Or do you just not understand why they are adding to the discussion?

I don't think a 2nd is out of the realm of possibilities, many habs fans have mentioned that. Very few have mentioned a greater return.

It's not exactly like TDL is a stranger to overpayments for those that deem a 2nd is too much.

 

[Hunter368]

Based on what Kent Hughes said this morning, I'd assume Monahan is pretty much plan B (or C?) for anyone looking for a center, plan A being Lindholm.... and until he's traded or extended, Monahan isn't going anywhere (except if the Habs price is met ahead of Lindholm getting moved, which would seem unlikely to me).

In regards to the Jets specifically I’ve said this regarding Monahan, he wouldnt like be in the top 3-5 targets the Jets go after regardless of position. Jets are likely aiming much higher than Monahan who is more suited as a bottom six guy, Jets bottom six is already very good.

Jets ideally upgrade their 2C significantly and Monahan is a lateral move at best which is pointless. Top 4 two way RHD would also be a target before any depth moves like Monahan.

Only way I see the Jets trading for Monahan is if they couldn’t close all their other significant trades and Habs honouring their agreement with Monahan trade him to the Jets cheap like a 3rd pick or similar. I’m not saying that’s what he’s worth, I’m saying that’s all I think the Jets would give up for a depth player like him with his obvious warts. Monahan seems like a last ditch nothing else worked type of trade for the Jets bc they’re aiming much higher. If they land 1-2 guys much higher, then they aren’t spending more on a depth guy lIke Monahan unless he comes dirt cheap.

@Romang67

 

[Snowman]

I don't want Winnipeg to do or not do anything.

I also don't really care if Winnipeg or any team decides to play him as a 2C or 3C or 4C, it depends on each teams needs.



Sure Monahan improves the Jets, I just named a few players he'd be an upgrade over. Whether he'd be a good fit based on his defense might be a different answer, I'm not sure how the bottom 6 compares defensively to him I didn't check their advanced stats.



Maybe...but the Jets did scout the habs, and Monahan is up for trade so there's speculation on whether or not he's the one being scouted.

Okay, that's cool. You can believe he helps if you want, but there's more to bottom six play than simply points and Monahan is bad at those other things.

Not one single Jet fan here agrees with you on Monahan though, so it will be tough slogging for you to convince anyone and I agree with the fans that watch the Jets day in and day out to know what the Jets need and what doesn't help them.

 

[CanMerc]

Sad thing is… Monahan is exactly the kind of player Chevy usually settles for, instead of aiming higher, so even though I think we need better and I‘m 100% against bringing him to the Jets, I’m fully expecting WPG to trade for him

 

[gojetsgo]

Sad thing is… Monahan is exactly the kind of player Chevy usually settles for, instead of aiming higher, so even though I think we need better and I‘m 100% against bringing him to the Jets, I’m fully expecting WPG to trade for him

when we were near the top he went after stastny/hayes... wish this stupid narrative would stop, it's pretty simple...if were in the wild card race he will spend on depth players and if were near the top he spends a 1st +

 

[Reinhart]

Who knows when Monahan gets traded. Centers who are good on the draw and PP are valued on any team, even as depth. Monahan is also a solid guy in the room too, so teams don't have to worry about upsetting a room.

I suspect that teams will wait for Lindholm to go first. However, a team may also just value the bargain and want a PP specialist for their under-performing unit (either first or second unit). For a 2nd round pick? Maybe a 2nd and a B or C prospect? Why not? If you know you aren't going to spend the expected return for Lindholm, there is no need to wait.

However, if you are Montreal, it is a gamble. Monahan's injury concerns vs an expected higher return after Lindholm goes, because teams that wanted Lindholm now have to all compete against one another for everyone's plan B (or C, or whatever it is). Tough position, but one that can pay off nicely.

I just hope Monahan goes to a contender. He is impossible not to like.

 

[yianik]

Colorado recently won a Cup and has a GM that knows what's needed to win a Cup and also the cost of doing business. I think AVs are the likeliest to trade for Monahan. I don't know what the price will be, but I think Sakic will be right there in the bidding.And AVs fans won't be crying about the price if Sakic gets him.

 

[Guess]

I don't think a 2nd is out of the realm of possibilities, many habs fans have mentioned that. Very few have mentioned a greater return.

It's not exactly like TDL is a stranger to overpayments for those that deem a 2nd is too much.

No way Monahan is traded for only a 2nd. Brett KULAK got Hughes a 2nd. Hughes already (rumored) mentioned the price was a 2nd + decent prospect or a 1st.

Can't wait for the cartwheels other teams fans make when they find out their team gave away too much for him (or vice versa and I get plastered )

 

[pth2]

Colorado recently won a Cup and has a GM that knows what's needed to win a Cup and also the cost of doing business. I think AVs are the likeliest to trade for Monahan. I don't know what the price will be, but I think Sakic will be right there in the bidding.And AVs fans won't be crying about the price if Sakic gets him.

GMs also tend to keep on trading with the same colleagues, making Colorado more likely than Winnipeg on that basis. (though Sakic isn't Avs GM anymore).

I suspect whoever acquires him will have fans on here saying "we thought he was slow and mediocre, but he's a high-end offensive talent who really adds a dimension to our team. Can't believe we only paid a 2nd and a 3d for him!"

No way Monahan is traded for only a 2nd. Brett KULAK got Hughes a 2nd. Hughes already (rumored) mentioned the price was a 2nd + decent prospect or a 1st.

Can't wait for the cartwheels other teams fans make when they find out their team gave away too much for him (or vice versa and I get plastered )

I'm hoping for the Habs 2nd out of Winnipeg, since I think few 1st rounders will be on the table for Monahan, and I'd rather a higher pick than a package of more elements.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Colorado recently won a Cup and has a GM that knows what's needed to win a Cup and also the cost of doing business. I think AVs are the likeliest to trade for Monahan. I don't know what the price will be, but I think Sakic will be right there in the bidding.And AVs fans won't be crying about the price if Sakic gets him.

Many/most Avs fans dont want him either. So they most certainly will be complaining if the Avs give up an asset(s) for a player like this.

 

[wetcoast]

that's actually a fantastic quote.

The current day version is don't mistake views on social media for relevance.

 

[yianik]

GMs also tend to keep on trading with the same colleagues, making Colorado more likely than Winnipeg on that basis. (though Sakic isn't Avs GM anymore).

I suspect whoever acquires him will have fans on here saying "we thought he was slow and mediocre, but he's a high-end offensive talent who really adds a dimension to our team. Can't believe we only paid a 2nd and a 3d for him!"


I'm hoping for the Habs 2nd out of Winnipeg, since I think few 1st rounders will be on the table for Monahan, and I'd rather a higher pick than a package of more elements.

Lol. Yeah, the perception of a player gets better when he is on YOUR team.

And fans don't want to give up those late 1sts, early 2nds and the about 15% chance they give at picking a top 6 player. There are GMs without the cahonies to do that deal though. And they never win

 

[yianik]

Many/most Avs fans dont want him either. So they most certainly will be complaining if the Avs give up an asset(s) for a player like this.

If Sakic doesn't want him then Sakic mustn't think the guy will help his team. If he gets him I don't see why the fan base would question the judgment of trading for him.

 

[wetcoast]

Who knows when Monahan gets traded. Centers who are good on the draw and PP are valued on any team, even as depth. Monahan is also a solid guy in the room too, so teams don't have to worry about upsetting a room.

I suspect that teams will wait for Lindholm to go first. However, a team may also just value the bargain and want a PP specialist for their under-performing unit (either first or second unit). For a 2nd round pick? Maybe a 2nd and a B or C prospect? Why not? If you know you aren't going to spend the expected return for Lindholm, there is no need to wait.

However, if you are Montreal, it is a gamble. Monahan's injury concerns vs an expected higher return after Lindholm goes, because teams that wanted Lindholm now have to all compete against one another for everyone's plan B (or C, or whatever it is). Tough position, but one that can pay off nicely.

I just hope Monahan goes to a contender. He is impossible not to like.

I honestly don't know if Lindholm is going to get traded and regardless it doesn't really change the value for Monahan which simply isn't that high and since he won't make much of a difference why would a team give up any more or even a second rounder for him is beyond me.