OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[Bob Richards]

Murphy went from a solid hitting 2B who couldn't play defense into the MVP runner up who couldn't play defense over the course of one offseason.

what the heck

 

[BMOK33]

I understand the Murphy one, because of what he did in the postseason. But for it to be really bad, you had to have felt that the postseason run portended an actual regular season breakout at age 31. He had always been a solid 2-3 WAR player, but then he goes to Washington and is a 4.5 and 5.5 WAR player. I honestly didn't think the stuff he did in the postseason was going to carryover into subsequent seasons, so I can't kill the Mets for not thinking so, either. I mean he hit 62 homers in 7 seasons with the Mets, then hits 54 in two-and-a-third with the Nats. His wRC+ from 2011-2015 was 126, 102, 106, 110, and 109. With Washington it was 154 and 135 his two full years there.

IDK. I would have liked to keep him, but even with that in mind I still never saw that kind of production coming.

The biggest reason to believe it was a hot streak is Murphy couldn’t hit for shit in the World Series against KC. Had he even been an average hitter in that series it’s entirely possible the Mets would have won it. I’m still wondering if he might have been injured in some way during the World Series

 

[Maximus]

Joe Panik has been worth -0.1 WAR via FG and -0.5 via BR over the last two years. He is a bad player and we don't need him.

He’s having a bad year but a change of scenery especially to come back home to NY and play in his old backyard could do wonders for Panik. This a total win/win for both the Mets and Panik.

Even Panik having a bad year is still 10x better than the stiffs we are going to be putting out there. Just two years ago Panik was coming off back to back 10 homer 50+ ribby type of seasons with one of those years batting close to .290.

He’s also won a gold glove. IMO this is an absolute no brainer...no lose situation for the Mets as it’s all upside for Brodie to get this done and bring Panik here and pronto!!!

 

[SA16]

He’s having a bad year but a change of scenery especially to come back home to NY and play in his old backyard could do wonders for Panik. This a total win/win for both the Mets and Panik.

Even Panik having a bad year is still 10x better than the stiffs we are going to be putting out there. Just two years ago Panik was coming off back to back 10 homer 50+ ribby type of seasons with one of those years batting close to .290.

He’s also won a gold glove. IMO this is an absolute no brainer...no lose situation for the Mets as it’s all upside for Brodie to get this done and bring Panik here and pronto!!!

It's not a bad year. He's a bad player. He was also bad last year. He was also bad in 2016. He has no power and doesn't have great speed. He has a good eye, makes contact, and is fine defensively. I will agree that he is a better option than Tejada/Guillorme but I really wouldn't expect much of anything out of him. And while he's better than those guys I sincerely doubt he's better than OF options they can play instead because they can of course just play McNeil at 2nd, Frazier at 3rd, and then have Davis/Conforto/X in the OF. Per baseball savant last year he's been in the bottom 10% of the league in exit velocity, hard hit rate, and most batting numbers the last couple of years. Would have been much better trying to bring back Asdrubal Cabrera.

 

[Maximus]

It's not a bad year. He's a bad player. He was also bad last year. He was also bad in 2016. He has no power and doesn't have great speed. He has a good eye, makes contact, and is fine defensively. I will agree that he is a better option than Tejada/Guillorme but I really wouldn't expect much of anything out of him. And while he's better than those guys I sincerely doubt he's better than OF options they can play instead because they can of course just play McNeil at 2nd, Frazier at 3rd, and then have Davis/Conforto/X in the OF. Per baseball savant last year he's been in the bottom 10% of the league in exit velocity, hard hit rate, and most batting numbers the last couple of years. Would have been much better trying to bring back Asdrubal Cabrera.

You and me both...I would have loved Cabrera but friggen Nationals got him so he's out of the equation.

Now if your bringing McNiel in from the OF to play 2nd base and likely holding our nose and putting in Lagares to play with Conforto and Davis...yeah sign me up for that course of action despite having Lagares in the lineup.

Bringing in Panik isn't the end all be all move. It's a depth type of move and it gives Calloway more flexibility seeing and you agree with me apparently, Panik is a better option than either Tejada/Guilorme. And who knows maybe we catch lightning in the bottle and Panik gives us some key AB's and plays a solid 2nd base the final two months.

We aren't asking him to be an allstar. We would be asking him to be better than either a Lagares, Tejada or Guilorme....that's really it!. And despite how bad his WAR is and all the crappy stats he has accumulated thus far, I think him being better than either of those other three stiffs of ours, is a pretty safe bet and that Panik could handle that as the bar really isn't that high anyways...lol

Now if there is someone else we can get that is better than Panik...do let me know. I've been reading some of my go to sites and I haven't seen a better or more viable alternative than Panik is.

 

[East Coast Bias]

If Panik went to Florida St and was from FL, i dont really think many people would be calling for the Mets to sign him. This is all a local story.

Just call up Hererra and see how it goes.

 

[Leetch3]

If Panik went to Florida St and was from FL, i dont really think many people would be calling for the Mets to sign him. This is all a local story.

Just call up Hererra and see how it goes.

does anyone even care where he's from? I don't think i've seen anyone use that as a reason...people are looking at him cause he'd be free depth and he was good a few years ago so people are hoping he'd magically be good again.

 

[SA16]

You and me both...I would have loved Cabrera but friggen Nationals got him so he's out of the equation.

Now if your bringing McNiel in from the OF to play 2nd base and likely holding our nose and putting in Lagares to play with Conforto and Davis...yeah sign me up for that course of action despite having Lagares in the lineup.

Bringing in Panik isn't the end all be all move. It's a depth type of move and it gives Calloway more flexibility seeing and you agree with me apparently, Panik is a better option than either Tejada/Guilorme. And who knows maybe we catch lightning in the bottle and Panik gives us some key AB's and plays a solid 2nd base the final two months.

We aren't asking him to be an allstar. We would be asking him to be better than either a Lagares, Tejada or Guilorme....that's really it!. And despite how bad his WAR is and all the crappy stats he has accumulated thus far, I think him being better than either of those other three stiffs of ours, is a pretty safe bet and that Panik could handle that as the bar really isn't that high anyways...lol

Now if there is someone else we can get that is better than Panik...do let me know. I've been reading some of my go to sites and I haven't seen a better or more viable alternative than Panik is.

Lagares/Tejada/Guillorme only temporarily. Theoretically that spot could eventually be Smith in the OF or ideally Nimmo if he even returns (or Lowrie at 2B...lol). Would have to be a bit careful as a Davis Conforto Smith OF could obviously be disastrous in the field but the good thing is we can mitigate it by using that with deGrom (elite K pitcher) and Stroman (extreme GB pitcher) and somewhat so with Syndergaard/Wheeler who also strikeout over a batter an inning.

 

[East Coast Bias]

does anyone even care where he's from? I don't think i've seen anyone use that as a reason...people are looking at him cause he'd be free depth and he was good a few years ago so people are hoping he'd magically be good again.

Literally every link I saw to him immediately after he was DFA'd mentioned the local part. Every single one.

National guys (Rosenthal, Heyman), and all the local mets beat guys.

 

[JimmyG89]

Panik is a LH infielder that can play 2nd. He'd be replacing Guillorme for 3 weeks before September call ups. And if he sucks, he gets DFAd again. Could catch lightning in a bottle and he hits decently and is an 8th hitter for this team. If not, it's not like Hech or Guillorme are blowing people out of the water.

I kind of hope an OF that is better than Altherr gets cut. We could use anyone in the OF that would be an extra that could actually put the bat on the ball.

 

[JimmyG89]

There goes Donnie Hart. Nimmo to the 60 day IL was just paperwork, but now there is really only one other player that this can be done for: Cano.

 

[nyr2k2]

Good I actually wanted to take a look at Brach. He has been useful, and pretty recently.

Not surprised about Hart, as I mentioned in my earlier proposal.

Now IL60 Cano and get Herrera up here.

Although I did just see a notification from the ML app that there's "mutual interest" with Panik. Barf.

 

[Leetch3]

Literally every link I saw to him immediately after he was DFA'd mentioned the local part. Every single one.

National guys (Rosenthal, Heyman), and all the local mets beat guys.

mentioning it isn't the same as it being the reason for signing him

 

[Bob Richards]

we will build the local team

 

[Maximus]

Too funny...Brad Brach a Met. Quick note: In my longtime 20 owner(not a miss print) fantasy baseball league we obviously go very deep into the talent pool as 550 or so players are drafted.

Well a Brad f***ing Brach was drafted by yours truly this year with my thought process being that if he pitched well, he'd have a shot at closing seeing it was just Pedro Strop for most part ahead of him.

Huge mistake as Brach has been worse than abysmal. When you own guys, you watch them a little bit more carefully. He was getting roasted and toasted pretty much everytime out. I'm a complete idiot for even keeping him on my roster for as long as I did as I didn't drop him till around the all-star break. God was he aweful.

Now I have to deal with him again but on my beloved Mets? Jesus H. Christ...I can't get away from this guy. I'm not sure about this my Met brothers. I know he has talent...believe me I know but he's just been so horribad that I think I'd be afraid to put him out there in a big spot.

Well I guess if I want to give Panik a chance to catch lightning in a bottle I should do the same for Brach as what is there to lose?

Thing is Panik tho can't blow a game as easily as a Brach can. I dunno boyzc and I obviously really hope this one works out for us but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm not too confident about this move at all. I simply have seen too much of him this year and it's not good.

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't know how you could be opposed to Brad Brach. He has been a good relief pitcher for a while now, and was dominant as recently as last season when Atlanta acquired him and he pitched to the tune of a 1.52 ERA. For a team with a bullpen as bad as ours, it's a f***ing no-brainer to give him a look.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Mets have been interested in Brach for a while no?

 

[nyr2k2]

Mets have been interested in Brach for a while no?

Yes since last year. The report I just recently read said that they were considering a Brach-Harvey swap before settling on what's his face, the catcher I forget.

 

[Maximus]

I don't know how you could be opposed to Brad Brach. He has been a good relief pitcher for a while now, and was dominant as recently as last season when Atlanta acquired him and he pitched to the tune of a 1.52 ERA. For a team with a bullpen as bad as ours, it's a ****ing no-brainer to give him a look.

I think I'm just a bit jaded because Brach's pretty consistent implosions this year almost single handidly destroyed my fantasy teams ERA and WHIP as he really has been putrid this entire year.

As far as "real baseball" terms, yeah I agree that he does have a nice K rate and has had some pretty decent years in the past so maybe there's some hope still...we'll see.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think I'm just a bit jaded because Brach's pretty consistent implosions this year almost single handidly destroyed my fantasy teams ERA and WHIP as he really has been putrid this entire year.

As far as "real baseball" terms, yeah I agree that he does have a nice K rate and has had some pretty decent years in the past so maybe there's some hope still...we'll see.

I mean worst case, he's still probably better than Chris Mazza. Best case, he does what he did last year and becomes a lights-out setup guy.

 

[Maximus]

I mean worst case, he's still probably better than Chris Mazza. Best case, he does what he did last year and becomes a lights-out setup guy.

Agreed...I can live with that. It's that very same type of reasoning as to why I want us to give Panik a shot as he could either be dropped in a few weeks or provides us a little spark.

 

[Maximus]

Any Mets fans also Jets fans like me? Usually it goes hand in hand...you know Rangers/Knicks....Giants/Yankees...Jets/Mets.

Anyways reason I even brought it up is, Jets vs Giants preseason tonight and is on NFL Network for anyone who cares and lives out of town as I do. I know it's just preseason but I like to scout players for fantasy purposes and I want to see how my Jets rookies and team in general are going to look. Maybe Sam can toss a TD as well in the one or two series he'll play and make us all happy.

 

[Krams]

I don't know how you could be opposed to Brad Brach. He has been a good relief pitcher for a while now, and was dominant as recently as last season when Atlanta acquired him and he pitched to the tune of a 1.52 ERA. For a team with a bullpen as bad as ours, it's a ****ing no-brainer to give him a look.

I'm happy to take a flier. His FB velocity isn't down from last year. Maybe an adjustment can be made and he can return to form. And as you pointed out, what do we have to lose considering some of the pitchers in the pen they're calling on this year? Lifelong Mets fan who is joining the team in the midst of a playoff race, probably some adrenaline, hopefully he can harness that.

 

[Leetch3]

Any Mets fans also Jets fans like me? Usually it goes hand in hand...you know Rangers/Knicks....Giants/Yankees...Jets/Mets.

Anyways reason I even brought it up is, Jets vs Giants preseason tonight and is on NFL Network for anyone who cares and lives out of town as I do. I know it's just preseason but I like to scout players for fantasy purposes and I want to see how my Jets rookies and team in general are going to look. Maybe Sam can toss a TD as well in the one or two series he'll play and make us all happy.

it goes hand in hand like pain & suffering lol

 

[Leetch3]

the mets really could use some depth and another bat off the bench assuming that the injured guys aren't coming back anytime soon. but it doesn't need to be a 2b just cause cano is hurt. it just needs to be a bat...if anything they need OF depth since currently 2 of the 3 OF each night are actually infielders